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Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 11:57:22 AM   
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There's something I've been noticing more and more often lately. In browsing Domme profiles I'm noticing several women who demand tribute for their service (which I agree can be a legitimate service) but have either a long list of limits or a short list of things they're willing to do ("No sissys I hate sissys!!!" etc). Basically, they're looking to satisfy their own fetishes rather than their client's, but still want the client to pay for it. Does anyone else think there is something wrong with that? If you're charging for your services, shouldn't you be focusing on the clients wants/needs rather than your own? And if you're a pro, shouldn't you be willing to tolerate some things you don't necessarily enjoy, since it's a job not a relationship?

Sorry if I'm missing out on something, I know I'm probably gonna get flamed for this... I just wanted to know how the D-type women felt about this.

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 12:01:27 PM   
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I think this discussion has taken place here before in similar topics. Some dominant women aren't professionals, per se. However, they try to make money off of submissive/kinky guys willing to pay for the pleasure of knowing them. Can't fault them for being capitalists in a capitalist society.

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 12:06:05 PM   
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It really doesn't matter how we feel about it Hangemhigh. I can see how it might work either way for some people. Some like to be treated like that. That is why they are doing what they do. I have seen many dominants like this that have a following of men. Do I agree with it or think it should be another way? No and yes. However, I am not them and they are not me and there is a fit somewhere out there for it. So it really doesn't matter what I think.

Do I get it? No... I can't see selling dominant services to the average or being a pro dom. I can't see being anything other than what I am, for me. So I can't understand all of it... but like I said, it really doesn't matter to me and I can't take the time to let it matter.


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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 12:35:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hangemhigh1953

There's something I've been noticing more and more often lately. In browsing Domme profiles I'm noticing several women who demand tribute for their service (which I agree can be a legitimate service) but have either a long list of limits or a short list of things they're willing to do ("No sissys I hate sissys!!!" etc). Basically, they're looking to satisfy their own fetishes rather than their client's, but still want the client to pay for it. Does anyone else think there is something wrong with that? If you're charging for your services, shouldn't you be focusing on the clients wants/needs rather than your own? And if you're a pro, shouldn't you be willing to tolerate some things you don't necessarily enjoy, since it's a job not a relationship?

Sorry if I'm missing out on something, I know I'm probably gonna get flamed for this... I just wanted to know how the D-type women felt about this.


In short: No.

As a pro I did thing I enjoyed. Getting paid did not mean I would do anything I didn't like. It meant that anyone who wanted to be my client came to me because their kinks fitted with what I was interested in doing with others. If they didn't, they could go to another domina who did do those things.

Do you go into a restaurant and reject what they have on the menu and ask for something they don't even remotely make, while assuming they'll make an exception because you're paying?

Do you go to a shoe store and then expect them to sell you a boat?

Or more particularly, do you ask a pediatrician to see an adult or a ear-nose-and-throat doc to act as a pediatrist just because your paying? I mean, sure they all do medicine types so why shouldn't they do something they don't specialize in or want to do just because you have cash/insurance?

I offered certain options. Others ofter different options. The client can shop around and find what they want and don't.


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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 12:42:06 PM   
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I like to think of it as specialization. If a pro-domme has her own fetish check list and can find enough men who share it, then good for her. The sessions between a pro and client who share the same interests are probably vastly superior to those between a guy paying a woman to go through the motions of satisfying his kink. I suspect most pros cannot afford to be too arcane and, for the sake of business, provide activities for which they have little or no enthusiasm but are tolerable. Expecting every pro to cater to every fetish, however, could not possibly lead to quality encounters.

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 12:44:17 PM   
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Exactly what Rumpus said. I could have milked the cash cow of AB/DL, but yanno? I don't like that stuff. Ditto scat play. Why should a pro do every damn thing?

I will add that MANY of the women demanding whatever are not interested in kink, just cash. Why shouldn't they entertain themselves as they see fit?

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 12:52:04 PM   
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Also factor in how much the gear costs.

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 12:57:57 PM   
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Oh criminy, don't get me started, Nine! I got enough oddball requests...

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 1:13:20 PM   
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Dammit all to hell I was gonna mail you my kink demands.
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Oh criminy, don't get me started, Nine! I got enough oddball requests...



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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 1:14:58 PM   
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Sure, tell me that now, when I left the business years ago!! How do you feel about black all in one girdles?

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 1:19:35 PM   
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Works for me LH. What you got in mind?
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Sure, tell me that now, when I left the business years ago!! How do you feel about black all in one girdles?



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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 1:29:39 PM   
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Heh. I kept that farkin girde, though I never did the session. He wanted a BLACK strapon, too, which I do not own and was disinclined to purchase. Got black condoms instead! Really nice Rago girdle, the one with the legs, and the cool scallopy design. Wonder if it fits? If it fits ME, I mean!

So as this is not a hijack: ONE guy, and $100 spend on new (albeit reusable) gear. The amount of stuff we had for our crossdressers alone took up a whole garment rack and dresser drawers. You do have to draw the line unless you have a very large space, and we had 1500 square feet.

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 1:34:39 PM   
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I understand that totally.

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 7:16:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: hangemhigh1953

There's something I've been noticing more and more often lately. In browsing Domme profiles I'm noticing several women who demand tribute for their service (which I agree can be a legitimate service) but have either a long list of limits or a short list of things they're willing to do ("No sissys I hate sissys!!!" etc). Basically, they're looking to satisfy their own fetishes rather than their client's, but still want the client to pay for it. Does anyone else think there is something wrong with that? If you're charging for your services, shouldn't you be focusing on the clients wants/needs rather than your own? And if you're a pro, shouldn't you be willing to tolerate some things you don't necessarily enjoy, since it's a job not a relationship?

Sorry if I'm missing out on something, I know I'm probably gonna get flamed for this... I just wanted to know how the D-type women felt about this.


Look....they have a product and you're willing to buy.

Buyer/seller....deal with it.

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/5/2011 8:29:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hangemhigh1953
I just wanted to know how the D-type women felt about this.

Well, I would think you'd get much better service from a woman who really does enjoy what she's doing, but that's just me. I know when I've had jobs I've really put my heart into (admittedly not Pro Domme work), the clients could tell that I really loved it and them.

Also, when you think about it, all the leather and other stuff that a Pro has to buy to "keep up the image" and keep her customers happy, that costs A LOT. Have you checked the price of leather corsets online lately, for just one example?? OMG!! It's frickin' mind-blowing. I checked the price of Pros in the Seattle area just the other day and it was from $200 to $250 an hour and went up from there as the session time increased. I'm not surprised, given what all their business expenses are.

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/6/2011 11:05:09 PM   
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When I used to work in a dungeon, I had to do all the bdsm plays/fetishes which i didnt enjoy but as a independent, I get to choose what i want to do. The only thing i would NOT do is "ass and breast worship". In my opinion, I think its a bullshit excuse for pathetic men to feel you up. Honestly what guy isnt into ass and tits?

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/7/2011 12:11:43 AM   
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shouldn't you be focusing on the clients wants/needs rather than your own?
oh absolutely, he's paying you so you better be focused on his wants and needs. however when some fucker offers you money, that doesn't automatically make him a client. you have to agree to the offer and accept the fucking money. fucking hell man, a working girl is allowed to have limits too you know, there's a lot of hookers who won't do anal, for example, and a shitload who won't fuck bareback, and almost none who will kiss. its no different than a mechanic who only works on german cars, or a restaurant that only makes thai food. the pay-top referenced in your op just doesn't happen to be in the sissification business is all.

just because you are in the fuck industry doesn't mean you have to provide every imaginable form of fuckery. think it through man, think it all the fucking way through.

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/7/2011 12:07:13 PM   
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Also, when you think about it, all the leather and other stuff that a Pro has to buy to "keep up the image" and keep her customers happy, that costs A LOT. Have you checked the price of leather corsets online lately, for just one example?? OMG!! It's frickin' mind-blowing. I checked the price of Pros in the Seattle area just the other day and it was from $200 to $250 an hour and went up from there as the session time increased. I'm not surprised, given what all their business expenses are.


This is a good point, and it makes me wonder if there might be a worthwhile niche for professionals who don't work quite so hard at "keeping up the image" and, as a result, can charge lower prices and still turn a tidy profit. I've never been to visit a professional dominant, and I'm not likely to anytime soon, but if I were to go I think I would actually prefer one whose clothing and equipment were mainly basic and practical. Devastatingly effective, of course, in the case of the equipment, but not necessarily flashy or expensive.

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/7/2011 12:12:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wheldrake

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ORIGINAL: Hisprettybaby

Also, when you think about it, all the leather and other stuff that a Pro has to buy to "keep up the image" and keep her customers happy, that costs A LOT. Have you checked the price of leather corsets online lately, for just one example?? OMG!! It's frickin' mind-blowing. I checked the price of Pros in the Seattle area just the other day and it was from $200 to $250 an hour and went up from there as the session time increased. I'm not surprised, given what all their business expenses are.


This is a good point, and it makes me wonder if there might be a worthwhile niche for professionals who don't work quite so hard at "keeping up the image" and, as a result, can charge lower prices and still turn a tidy profit. I've never been to visit a professional dominant, and I'm not likely to anytime soon, but if I were to go I think I would actually prefer one whose clothing and equipment were mainly basic and practical. Devastatingly effective, of course, in the case of the equipment, but not necessarily flashy or expensive.



Good luck with that. We do have a local outfit that does that, I THINK they work out of a house... As to "basic and practical", what does that mean, exactly? Fantasies are rarely practical, and cheap toys are cheap. You're not the market for a pro dominant, so you're not thinking like a client.

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RE: Pro-Domme question - not just a general complaint - 11/7/2011 1:09:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wheldrake

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ORIGINAL: Hisprettybaby

Also, when you think about it, all the leather and other stuff that a Pro has to buy to "keep up the image" and keep her customers happy, that costs A LOT. Have you checked the price of leather corsets online lately, for just one example?? OMG!! It's frickin' mind-blowing. I checked the price of Pros in the Seattle area just the other day and it was from $200 to $250 an hour and went up from there as the session time increased. I'm not surprised, given what all their business expenses are.


This is a good point, and it makes me wonder if there might be a worthwhile niche for professionals who don't work quite so hard at "keeping up the image" and, as a result, can charge lower prices and still turn a tidy profit. I've never been to visit a professional dominant, and I'm not likely to anytime soon, but if I were to go I think I would actually prefer one whose clothing and equipment were mainly basic and practical. Devastatingly effective, of course, in the case of the equipment, but not necessarily flashy or expensive.



Good luck with that. We do have a local outfit that does that, I THINK they work out of a house... As to "basic and practical", what does that mean, exactly? Fantasies are rarely practical, and cheap toys are cheap. You're not the market for a pro dominant, so you're not thinking like a client.


There was a stage when I was younger, much less experienced, unattached, and very eager to experience submission. At that point I was seriously considering going to see a pro dominant. So why didn't I? Well, partly because I was concerned about privacy and safety, and partly because none of the professionals in my area had websites that really grabbed me, and partly because I had intuitively absorbed the idea (despite finding it silly) that paying for erotic services is somehow shameful, but also because I was a student on a tight budget. At $200 to $250 an hour, there must be a reasonably large untapped market of potential clients who just can't afford the prices a professional would normally charge.

One way to tap that market, I would think, would be to keep costs down and charge a correspondingly low price. At the stage when I was considering seeing a professional, I wouldn't have been too concerned about whether she dressed up in leather for the session or just wore jeans and a T-shirt - if anything, the latter might have made the experience seem more gritty and authentic. I also wouldn't have objected to being tied up with nylon rope from the hardware store, festooned with ordinary clothespins, jabbed with a salad fork and soundly flogged with my own belt (one of the more severe beatings I eventually took, when I did eventually find someone, was inflicted partly with a wooden yardstick). Maybe that's an extreme example, but a dominant should be able to offer several different forms of pain and helplessness without having to spend huge amounts of money on clothes and toys. I don't know whether this would be a viable business model, but to me it seems at least plausible that it might work.

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