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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 4:26:36 PM   
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So ... do any of the reported "stories' contain any supporting facts?  Or is it just all anonymous sources this and that?


Yes.  Every one of them does. 

Years ago, Herman Cain was accused of sexual harassment, by two different women.  That's a fact. 

The lobbying firm that he worked for, gave each of them a year's pay or mor, not to talk about it.  That's a fact. 

Cain left the organization before his contract was up.  That's a fact. 

When the information came out, Cain said that he didn't remember it.  Then he said that well, yeah, he remembered it, but it was an "agreement", not a "settlement".  Then he said he didn't remember ir.  Then he said that they got "a few month's pay, for severance".  Then he said he didn't remember it, again. 

Those are facts. 

When asked, by Fox News if he had ever harassed a subordinate, his response was to vigorously deny that he had ever done it, anywhere other than at that lobbying firm.  That's a fact. 

Other witnesses have come forward, claiming that they, too, have observed him harassing subordinates.  Including recently. 

And, now, he's decided that asking him questions he doesn't want to answer is a violation of journalistic ethics. 

All of those are facts. 

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Now, Cain's repeated claims that this is all being done by the Perry campaign, but he doesn't have any proof?  Now, that's called "an accusation".  (Or, more accurately, "a self-admitted, unsubstantiated, accusation".) 

But Cain making the allegation without proof?  Well, that's a fact, too. 

The "scandal" (its not) started with a "news story" in which nothing was sourced, and no detailed, actual accusations made.  No details, no proof, nothing, other than "Herman was a bad boy.  Someone told us.".

That's still all they have.

Did you hear that he once rented "Deep Throat"?  Hey ... let's talk about his porn addiction!

Did you here that his third grade teacher once called his mother, because she was concerned he might have talked to another student while taking a test?

Cheating Sunavabitch!  Let's get his grades denied, and make him go back to kindergarten!

Did you hear that he got into a fight in High School?  Apparently someone wanted him to suck his dick in the bathroom, he refused but they insisted.

Gay bashing bastard!  Cut his nuts off!

Did you hear that he was accused of sexual harassment when he was the traveling CEO of a lobbying group?  There wasn't any truth to the accusations, but the organization paid them a few dollars to just go away.

Black rapist bastard!  He should be castrated and hung!

I'll say again ... there has been no proof of sexual harassment.

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 4:26:39 PM   
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He said so: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/06/trending-cain-scolds-reporters-end-of-story-to-sexual-harassment-claims/

The bastard had the gall to scold the reporters for caring about it.

This pisses me off no end.  The Fourth Estate has a DUTY to stand up to this.  They've been far too deferential to elected officials and candidates.

Hopefully, it'll continue to be talked about, and the articles will include statements that the Cain campaign refuses to respond.



Wasn't it this sort of attitude about the press and chapaquidick that kept tk from making it to the oval office?
Arrogance of the first order.

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 4:30:03 PM   
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Ipsos Poll conducted for Reuters, November 2011
NOTE: all results shown are percentages unless otherwise labeled.

These are findings from an Ipsos poll conducted for Reuters from October 31st through Nov 3rd, 2011. For the survey,
a nationally representative, randomly selected sample of exactly 1,106 adults aged 18 and older across the United
States was interviewed by Ipsos via live telephone interviewing on landlines and cell phones. With a sample of this
size, the results are considered accurate within 3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20, of what they would have
been had the entire adult population in the U.S. been polled.



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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 4:45:26 PM   
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Ipsos Poll conducted for Reuters, November 2011
NOTE: all results shown are percentages unless otherwise labeled.

These are findings from an Ipsos poll conducted for Reuters from October 31st through Nov 3rd, 2011. For the survey,
a nationally representative, randomly selected sample of exactly 1,106 adults aged 18 and older across the United
States was interviewed by Ipsos via live telephone interviewing on landlines and cell phones. With a sample of this
size, the results are considered accurate within 3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20, of what they would have
been had the entire adult population in the U.S. been polled.

Fine.

Why no link to source?

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 4:49:39 PM   
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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 5:00:52 PM   
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Dont sweat it sweets

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 5:02:49 PM   
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I mus be on ignore

Oops, sorry Lucy.

No, you aren't on ignore.

If tazzy was using your link, then there is a problem with her posts, because (from your link):

Ipsos conducted the poll of 1,007 adults on Friday and Saturday by interviewing individuals via a U.S. online household panel.
Since it was an online poll, typical margins of error do not apply. Despite that, various recognized methods were used to select as representative a sample as possible and weigh the results.

Then it was indeed an "online poll", and despite "guessing" what a "representative sample" is, there is little or no statistical validity to any such poll.

And it certainly doesn't match tazzy's claim:

Ipsos Poll conducted for Reuters, November 2011
NOTE: all results shown are percentages unless otherwise labeled.
These are findings from an Ipsos poll conducted for Reuters from October 31st through Nov 3rd, 2011. For the survey, a nationally representative, randomly selected sample of exactly 1,106 adults aged 18 and older across the UnitedStates was interviewed by Ipsos via live telephone interviewing on landlines and cell phones. With a sample of this size, the results are considered accurate within 3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20, of what they would have been had the entire adult population in the U.S. been polled.

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 5:03:52 PM   
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I mus be on ignore 



And rightly so....... xx

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 5:07:48 PM   
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highlight, right click, search

If anyone else wants to know, I will provide it.

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 5:14:02 PM   
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highlight, right click, search

No thanks.

Since you will take the effort to go to the source at least a couple of times, and copy and paste, but won't provide the link, and Lucy seemed to think you were talking about the link she gave ... I will simply assume that you were caught out in a mistake, and do not wish to admit it.

If your intent is simply to aggravate me, then you failed.

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 5:24:37 PM   
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Then it was indeed an "online poll", and despite "guessing" what a "representative sample" is, there is little or no statistical validity to any such poll.




Of course its not, , you just keep widening the goal posts, first you calling out Taz for not providing a cite, then its not good enough to be anything but online, so not valid at all.... you would be accusing a lib of being blind and of confirmation bias. You are really stretching your belief in this guy. its sad to see, Id be worried about a lib with this kind of belief in obama!!



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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 5:26:58 PM   
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Link 1...   http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2011/1106/Sexual-harassment-charges-continue-to-dog-Herman-Cain   Link 2...   http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=5397   Link 3...   http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=11128   passed on, waves!


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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 5:41:25 PM   
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This is the kind of political dynamite the cons were hoping for with President Obama.

A story that gives folks a gut feeling,a bad one.

Mulsim,madrassa,terrorist(or pals around w/ them)Rev.Write,birthers,etc.....only it didn`t stick.And in the end made(make)the cons look desparate ,low-class and mean.

This one is sticking and the cons(his running mates) aren`t letting it go.They smell blood.

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 5:56:56 PM   
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Link 1...   http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2011/1106/Sexual-harassment-charges-continue-to-dog-Herman-Cain  
Link 2...   http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=5397  
Link 3...   http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=11128  

passed on, waves!

Sorry, but the first link gives the same info as you gave before, and is the same "online poll" and therefore of no scientific validity.

The next two are to a different poll entirely, and do not measure anything to do with Cain and the accusations.

Waves back.

Tazzy's quote of the numbers on the previous page (post 9) are not from the poll from which she posted above (post 23), giving the methodology.

Either she got confused on which poll she was quoting, or she intentional misrepresented it. I will assume she just got them mixed up.

Firm

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 6:20:29 PM   
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Shrugs, I expected no difference,
I gave my opinion before the links post.
I stand by that.




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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 6:34:11 PM   
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Its cool Lucy.

IPSOS uses online household panels. Its not a net survey.

http://www.ipsos-na.com/products-tools/public-affairs/public-sector-research/conducting-public-opinion-research-using-online-panels.aspx

So let him think its a survey that someone can just click and respond too.

That second link isnt to the survey...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/06/us-usa-campaign-cain-idUSTRE7A04CW20111106

Reuters stands behind their poll.

~shrugs

Good enough for me. The households are chosen by IPSOS, not just whoever wanders across the enter button on some generic survey.

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 6:49:12 PM   
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Hello...How are you 

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 7:09:21 PM   
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I'm fine,how are you?

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 7:19:20 PM   
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always so polite, mike.

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RE: The Cain scandal is over. - 11/6/2011 7:24:17 PM   
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