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One of the more confusing findings from the American Values Survey was a question on racial discrimination that produced seemingly contradictory results.

Asked about the issue, majorities of white evangelicals, tea partiers and Republicans agreed both that "discrimination against minorities is still a very serious problem in our society" and that "we have gone too far in pushing equal rights in this country."

I think the answer to this apparent paradox lies in the question wording. The first statement is rather passive - the question doesn't identify who's doing the discrimination or how it manifests itself. The second statement gets more specific, identifying some sort of collective action (presumably governmental) that has potentially caused blowback or unintended consequences.

Those who responded positively to both statements may be small government conservatives (Rand Paul comes to mind) who believe that while there are still individual racists in society, there's nothing the government can or should do to address it.

As with the equal opportunity question also in the survey, the results show that many seem more willing to acknowledge the problem of racial discrimination than do something about it.

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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Faith In Public Life


As with the equal opportunity question also in the survey, the results show that many seem more willing to acknowledge the problem of racial discrimination than do something about it.

My take on this paradox: Most people, regardless of political leanings, want something or don't want something - but they won't personally do anything about it, hoping someone else will take care of the problem for them.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Thread title: " Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination"

Maybe a better title would be:  "Opinion Survey Company Fields Incompetently Worded Survey".  Subtitle: "Asks Yes or No questions, expects Essay"

But then ... people like you wouldn't have more ammunition to shoot for your partisan bullshit.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
violating property rights.... explanation please. [:D]

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For example, a black restaurant owner must--by law--serve a white supremacist. Would you agree that it is just for the restaurant owner to ban the supremacist from the restaurant?

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The public accomidations law isn`t about forcing people to do things they don`t want to do.

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ORIGINAL: provfivetine

Discrimination against minorities is a problem (e.g., blacks and hispanics with drug laws, islamophobia, etc), but at the same time we are going too far to push for "equal" rights (e.g., affirmative action, violating property rights, etc). It's not a paradox at all.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I'm not surprised that you find this confusing, Fight. It's a straight liberal worldview thing. We have a problem in society, therefore, it must be addressed by government programs that will kiss it all better, and, more importantly, a liberal will see the (failed) liberal solution as being synonymous with the problem itself.

It doesn't occur to you for a moment, does it, that the "pushing of equal rights," through official racial preferences in hiring, student aid, delivery of welfare benefits, etc. might very well be seen as prolonging and even increasing the divisions, tensions, and sometimes hostilities between the races, rather than being the answer to a problem we can all recognize?

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Thread title: " Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination"

Maybe a better title would be:  "Opinion Survey Company Fields Incompetently Worded Survey".  Subtitle: "Asks Yes or No questions, expects Essay"

But then ... people like you wouldn't have more ammunition to shoot for your partisan bullshit.

Firm

I used the exact same title the article's authors chose for the original article - take it up with them. [:)]

Your umbrage reminds me of the line from Shakespeare, "Methinks you protest too much". Sorry the title the original authors used got under your skin - possibly it's because you saw yourself in that title? [;)]

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=203414&c=7

Yeah, racism is no longer an issue.

I need someone to add the dripping sarcasm sign, please.

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Thread title: " Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination"

Maybe a better title would be:  "Opinion Survey Company Fields Incompetently Worded Survey".  Subtitle: "Asks Yes or No questions, expects Essay"

But then ... people like you wouldn't have more ammunition to shoot for your partisan bullshit.

Firm

I used the exact same title the article's authors chose for the original article - take it up with them. [:)]

Your umbrage reminds me of the line from Shakespeare, "Methinks you protest too much". Sorry the title the original authors used got under your skin - possibly it's because you saw yourself in that title? [;)]

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ORIGINAL: provfivetine

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
violating property rights.... explanation please. [:D]

(Cue the firestorm) The Civil Rights Act violates property rights.

For example, a black restaurant owner must--by law--serve a white supremacist. Would you agree that it is just for the restaurant owner to ban the supremacist from the restaurant?

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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Faith In Public Life


As with the equal opportunity question also in the survey, the results show that many seem more willing to acknowledge the problem of racial discrimination than do something about it.

My take on this paradox: Most people, regardless of political leanings, want something or don't want something - but they won't personally do anything about it, hoping someone else will take care of the problem for them.

Thread title: " Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination"

Maybe a better title would be:  "Opinion Survey Company Fields Incompetently Worded Survey".  Subtitle: "Asks Yes or No questions, expects Essay"

But then ... people like you wouldn't have more ammunition to shoot for your partisan bullshit.

Firm