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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/10/2011 12:35:49 PM   
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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/10/2011 12:37:23 PM   
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I read it and I got the moat visual and I snorted, seemed funny in an incongruous way:)

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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/10/2011 6:13:01 PM   
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pssst its mote... not moat...grins

Yuppers.

Sorry Luce.  More thinking.  Less typing. 

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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/10/2011 6:16:10 PM   
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Thank God we have non-partisans like you here. 

I'm primarily partisan against idiots.

After that, morons.

I finally get around to ideologues, after that.

Feel better now, rml? 

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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/10/2011 7:17:59 PM   
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It doesn't occur to you for a moment, does it, that the "pushing of equal rights," through official racial preferences in hiring, student aid, delivery of welfare benefits, etc. might very well be seen as prolonging and even increasing the divisions, tensions, and sometimes hostilities between the races, rather than being the answer to a problem we can all recognize?

Bold added.... btw, the typical welfare recipient is white, rural, and has 2-3 children.  How is that a racial preference?

One reason government gets involved is because the local/state government won't do anything about it.  Shit, my grandmother was alive when women didn't have the vote.  Then there are some piddly things like the Voting Rights Act. 

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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/10/2011 7:21:03 PM   
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pssst its mote... not moat...grins

Yuppers.

Sorry Luce.  More thinking.  Less typing. 

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I rarely point out typos, I make a fair few myself, but this one just struck me as hilarious, I guess you had to be here, lol
I enjoyed it, it made me smile


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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/10/2011 7:51:21 PM   
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btw, the typical welfare recipient is white, rural, and has 2-3 children.  How is that a racial preference?

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ORLY. Under AFDC and the early days of TANF black families outnumbered white families by 25-30%. I doubt things have changed that much. And of course even if white families outnumbered black families by a signfiicant margin, adjusting for overall population ratios would certainly support TH's statement.

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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/10/2011 8:14:10 PM   
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btw, the typical welfare recipient is white, rural, and has 2-3 children.  How is that a racial preference?




Because of how welfare delivery is managed by the government, rules vary widely, but minority status is a common "point" in determining how restricted resources, like space in a DV shelter, access to certain low income housing, or selection for modified benefit pilot programs, go out.

Your concession on race-based hiring and student benefits is noted.

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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/11/2011 2:53:44 AM   
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btw, the typical welfare recipient is white, rural, and has 2-3 children.  How is that a racial preference?




Because of how welfare delivery is managed by the government, rules vary widely, but minority status is a common "point" in determining how restricted resources, like space in a DV shelter, access to certain low income housing, or selection for modified benefit pilot programs, go out.

Your concession on race-based hiring and student benefits is noted.

Can you document even one example of this claim?

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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/11/2011 6:13:59 AM   
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Can you document even one example of this claim?



It isn't something they advertise, or put in the press releases, Ken. A while back, someone, it may well have been you, made a similar request when I mentioned the mandatory union membership to participate in government programs that pay people to care for their own sick/disabled relatives. I bounced around the internet for a while, finally found a reference to the automatic payroll deduction of union dues, posted that, and never saw another word from the snarker.

Could I? Sure. Am I going to hop on the wife's computer (which isn't allergic to Adobe) and waste a chunk of Veteran's Day prowling through pdf files to find you a reference? Nope. You are welcome to drive down to your local welfare office, and listen to the lobby lawyers telling the youngsters how to work the system, or share a bottle of wine with a frustrated DV worker for yourself.

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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/11/2011 6:52:28 AM   
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btw, the typical welfare recipient is white, rural, and has 2-3 children.  How is that a racial preference?




Because of how welfare delivery is managed by the government, rules vary widely, but minority status is a common "point" in determining how restricted resources, like space in a DV shelter, access to certain low income housing, or selection for modified benefit pilot programs, go out.

Your concession on race-based hiring and student benefits is noted.

Can you back up your bullshit with a link or study?

General reply:

Don`t let the cons bullshit you,folks.

It`s income level and if there`s kids.

But because a disproportionate number of blacks live in poverty,the grumpy-creepy-cons turn around and make those blacks who are poor,the villain in this.

This illistrates the darkness of the conservative mindset best.Make the victim of poverty,into the bad guy.

In NJ,if you don`t have kids,you`re on your own.There`s no welfare for those folks.

It goes state by state but NJ has ususally been one of the most liberal.So I imagine the middle states have even less available to families with children.

We`ve already reformed welfare, more than a decade ago.

Now, we should reform corporate welfare, to the tune of trillions.

Don`t listen to cons when they whine about "welfare".It`s automatic for them,they can`t help the reflex,it`s so burned in.



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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/11/2011 7:17:39 AM   
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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/11/2011 8:23:33 AM   
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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/11/2011 8:27:40 AM   
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If its in a far left cartoon it must be true... 


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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/11/2011 8:29:35 AM   
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If its in a far left cartoon it must be true... 



More to the point, if you comment with smear and innuendo, devoid of facts about it, it IS clearly true.

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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/11/2011 8:30:44 AM   
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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/11/2011 8:34:17 AM   
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So it's safe to assume you won't be addressing any of the serious replies to your OP then, Fight?.

Not his purpose, nor within his abilities.

He just wants to stir things.

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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/11/2011 9:47:03 AM   
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Can you document even one example of this claim?



It isn't something they advertise, or put in the press releases, Ken. A while back, someone, it may well have been you, made a similar request when I mentioned the mandatory union membership to participate in government programs that pay people to care for their own sick/disabled relatives. I bounced around the internet for a while, finally found a reference to the automatic payroll deduction of union dues, posted that, and never saw another word from the snarker.

Could I? Sure. Am I going to hop on the wife's computer (which isn't allergic to Adobe) and waste a chunk of Veteran's Day prowling through pdf files to find you a reference? Nope. You are welcome to drive down to your local welfare office, and listen to the lobby lawyers telling the youngsters how to work the system, or share a bottle of wine with a frustrated DV worker for yourself.

So you can't. That's not surprising since SCOTUS ruled years back that anything of the sort was forbidden. Having recently had to deal quite exsyensively with the state and federal programs that youwould call welfare I know no such preference is in any documentation I saw.

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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/11/2011 9:48:53 AM   
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I'll tell you what, Ken. We'll make it interesting. If you are willing to put up $500 that says I can't find you that one documented instance, I'll go reading grant agreements with DV and homeless shelters, and the final reports of welfare test programs that include the selection criteria that were used to assemble the participants. It still won't be today.

Even if I could afford it I still wouldn't trust you to pay up when you lost. I'll just accept your concession that you made it up and move on.

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RE: Conservative Contradictions on Racial Discrimination - 11/11/2011 10:09:51 AM   
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Even if I could afford it I still wouldn't trust you to pay up when you lost. I'll just accept your concession that you made it up and move on.



Oh it wasn't really an offer of a bet, Ken. It was a requirement that you adequately compensate me for my time.

Now of course, I know full well that you would simply post a link to some gobbeldeygook, and make up lies about what it said, but I have higher standards than that.

Have a good Veteran's Day, though.

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