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Real female submissives for videos - 11/10/2011 5:00:59 PM   
Spankher4Real


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Status: offline 		It's been very difficult to find submissive needing and or wanting to get spanked, for money, in the Seattle/Tacoma area.  I professionally video tape each clip and sell them but it's been more than difficult to find women between the age of 18-50.  Can anyone tell me why that is?
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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/10/2011 5:11:36 PM   
lizi


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Status: offline 		I can think of a couple of things. People understand more of how it can impact their lives to have video proof of them engaging in adult activities. The money may not be enough to compensate for the problems it may cause them. You say in your profile that people's identities can be hidden, but I'm not sure the potential models are sold on that.

I don't know how much you pay, that may not be enough to your target audience. I don't know if you have a truly professional area to do this in, or if it's like Uncle Bob's skeezy living room. If your potential subjects feel uneasy that could be big. I don't know how you come off- as a professional or as a guy getting off.

It could be you, it could be having the videos being linked back to the models, it could be personal safety. Plus any woman who wants to do this might just cut out the middle man and go for doing it for herself, in which case someone like you would be extraneous.

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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/10/2011 6:32:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		If your videos come under the 2257 laws then your promise of anonimity is just an empty promise. Perhaps the ladies fear being outed.

There is a large group of spankers and spankees in the Seattle/Tacoma area. If you contact them maybe you could find someone who would like some extra cash.

You are offering half of the profits to the ladies. This means that after expenses there could be no payment at all. If you offer cash up front you might find more who are willing.

Let me add this. Spanking is an activity enjoyed by many. Many of them are not submissive. So you should broaden your search.

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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 3:15:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		We know longer offer half the profits.  Women we talked to, whether professional or not, wanted money up front.  As far as what we pay it's industry rates.  Of course our videos come under the 2257 laws but why does that make anonymity an empty promise?  We've have more than a few professional models contact us.  However, they were too well known in other videos.  We're looking for Real women.  It's funny that Lizi said it could be me.  My partner is one of the girls who gets spanked in our videos and we don't shoot with anyone unless they're comfortable about everything.  When we meet for the first time we always meet in a public place of the model's choosing and I don't give the appearance of being a guy just wanting to get off.

I find it interesting that the comments so far seem, to me, negative.  We have two models who have no problem being identified and the others don't want to be.  You won't be able to identify the other girls and you never will.  The only way they will be identified by a viewer is if the girl tells others that's her.

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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 4:15:12 AM   
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I find it interesting that the comments so far seem, to me, negative. We have two models who have no problem being identified and the others don't want to be. You won't be able to identify the other girls and you never will. The only way they will be identified by a viewer is if the girl tells others that's her.


2257 requries that you get a legal ID from every model. You must find out her maiden name and any nicknames she might have used to do photos in the past. You must keep records of those names in case a representatlive of Uncle Sam wishes to see them. That means that any model is not completely anonimous as you will always have to keep those records.

As to us being negative, it was YOU who asked us why you were having problems finding models. IF, as you now say you have models, then why did you come here to ask why you couldn't find models? We were only trying to suggest an answer to you wanting to know why it was so difficult. It was YOU who used the word difficult. We were only speculating about why it was so difficult.

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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 4:43:20 AM   
LillyBoPeep


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Status: offline 		i kind of think you weren't actually wanting opinions but you were hoping to drum up business and go fishing for new models.
there's a section of the forum called Professional Services -- try posting your ads there.

otherwise, if you post in a Discussion section, then... you get whatever you get.

and of course the responses are going to be negative; people don't avoid something (in general) because it's positive. you came here "asking why," and you're getting some "why" -- i guess it's not what you want to hear because now you're very defensive and saying "we have two models, and others" -- so why are you having such a hard time finding them, if you already have them? =p



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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 6:54:27 AM   
searching4mysir


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Status: offline 		It could also be that, like me, there is only ONE person who lays a hand on me, and it is my Master. I am not submissive to all men, only one and I don't play casually or professionally, even for spankings.

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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 7:30:00 AM   
OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: lizi

You say in your profile that people's identities can be hidden, but I'm not sure the potential models are sold on that.


Actually, what I'm never sold on is whether it's legit. Unless I'm already aware of company, I tend to view it skepticism.


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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 7:31:28 AM   
Arturas


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Status: offline 		"I find it interesting that the comments so far seem, to me, negative."

I find it interesting some of these ladies, well, maybe all actually, took your statement as being critical, when you are simply finding their responses "interesting", as in being informative. I find it "interesting", as in informative, that they took you as being critical right off, did you not? I suggest you canvas a more fertile ground, like Fetlife.

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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 7:37:42 AM   
Arturas


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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 12:04:01 PM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		OP, you're looking for actresses willing to do porn but you want them to be amateurs also? They aren't both. Why does it matter if the woman enjoys it or not as long as she's willing to portray the emotion you want expressed on camera? Be honest about looking for new faces for porn and pay going rates. But working in a low budget porn movie isn't most people's career goals so don't expect tons of responses.

And yeah, I also think he's pretending to ask why in hopes dozens of women will write saying this is their dream job. Ain't happening.


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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 1:52:39 PM   
HeatherMcLeather


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quote:

Can anyone tell me why that is?
Because women who enjoy being spanked, as a rule, have no difficulty finding people to spank them. They don't need to go to some stranger, with a little coaxing the gentlest of boyfriends/girlfriends can be persuaded to redden her bum.

Another thing you are overlooking is that women are, again as a rule, vain. We don't like being photographed or filmed when we aren't looking our best. And we're aware of the fact that during and after a spanking, we don't look our best. Puffy red eyes, tear streaks on our cheeks, hair messed up, mascara and make up running. We look a fright, and that just isn't the picture we want the world to have of us.

A third thing to keep in mind is that while they may adore being spanked, it is almost always in a somewhat intimate setting, not one with lights, cameras and boom mikes, and a crowd of strangers hanging around.

So, considering those three factors alone, I would be surprised if it wasn't hard to find amateur women wanting to work with you.

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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 2:02:06 PM   
ChatteParfaitt


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Status: offline 		What Heather said plus I would add: You want chicks who look good with young lovely bodies, right?

(Else why bother.)

Um...hot chicks with young lovely bodies need big bucks to do what you want. They just get waaaaaaay too many offers.

Think about it.


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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 2:14:48 PM   
lizi


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ORIGINAL: Spankher4Real

We know longer offer half the profits.  Women we talked to, whether professional or not, wanted money up front.  As far as what we pay it's industry rates.  Of course our videos come under the 2257 laws but why does that make anonymity an empty promise?  We've have more than a few professional models contact us.  However, they were too well known in other videos.  We're looking for Real women.  It's funny that Lizi said it could be me.  My partner is one of the girls who gets spanked in our videos and we don't shoot with anyone unless they're comfortable about everything.  When we meet for the first time we always meet in a public place of the model's choosing and I don't give the appearance of being a guy just wanting to get off.

I find it interesting that the comments so far seem, to me, negative.  We have two models who have no problem being identified and the others don't want to be.  You won't be able to identify the other girls and you never will.  The only way they will be identified by a viewer is if the girl tells others that's her.



I'm a bit mystified why you thought the comments were negative, you did ask why these women were hard to find. If you're asking why someone wouldn't want to do something then hey, it's going to bring up  things with a negative slant. You don't get that? If you asked why someone liked something they respond in positive ways, if it's why they don't like something then it's negative.

I'm actually sorry I took the time out of my day to answer you the first time since I wasn't understanding then that you probably were just shilling for your business here, because as it turns out, you're not really interested in hearing reasons why women wouldn't want to do this and you got a little pissy about receiving the information you asked for.

On my end, I just tried to answer your question, I wasn't being unnecessarily negative- just throwing things out there. Of course it might be you, sheesh, I don't know you, I have no idea how you come across. You are just one of the pieces of the puzzle, I only mentioned it for that reason. I tried to help by brainstorming a bit, but as it turns out you're taking that and being defensive about it- which makes me wonder like the others why you're here?

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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 3:46:35 PM   
OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: lizi
I have no idea how you come across.
Well, judging from this post.......


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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 4:16:15 PM   
Spankher4Real


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Status: offline 		Heather has a good point in that many women don't seem to feel they are (model) material.  We're not looking for "hot chicks with great bodies".  We get lots of emails thanking us for having Real girls and not skinny twigs in our clips. A great deal of people out there who purchase clips aren't Super Model material and really enjoy seeing someone around their size getting spanked or doing the spanking.

Heather points out also that for women it's a more intimate thing.  There's a spanking group in Seattle that meets once a month but everytime the schedule a date and time it hasn't worked out for me.  Perhaps if I could get there and mingle so others would get to know me it would help?  I look at it as business and just figured submissives wanting to pick up extra money would like to do them from time to time.  It's legit and very legal.

Thinking I'm writing this to get models is a laugh.  I thought there would be mature adult people here who could simply give me insight to something.  I'm not female and I'm not a submissive so I can't possibly understand the "why they want to or don't want to".  Understanding the why will help me better understand how to advertize or approach submissives for our clips.

I'm not a sadist and a pervert.  I'm simply asking a question.  Lizi did have a good point regarding how something we do today can impact our life in the future.  However, I've almost always approached submissives who already have a great deal of pictures, even showing their face, on their profile photo albums.  I figured they were out there so what's the big deal doing videos.

My profile clearly states that I'm seeking models so I don't need to use my question here as a means to get models.  I get defensive because I'm a nice guy.  I enjoy making people laugh and I care deeply about others.  Perhaps I shouldn't be defensive because you don't know me and don't know that I'm an honorable person either.  There are other things people have brought up but I'm not going to bother replying.  They seem to know everything already and me giving my opinion isn't going to sway their way of thinking.

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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 5:12:00 PM   
SuzeQ


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I thought there would be mature adult people here who could simply give me insight to something.
There are, and they have. Read between the lines. The reason you're having trouble is because you're making porn. And while most of us don't mind looking at porn, and most of us think "Ooooo, I'd like to be her" at some point, we mean we'd like to experience whatever the girl on the screen is experiencing, we don't mean we'd like to be on the screen.

Even those of us with exhibitionist tendencies want to control when, where, how, and to who we show off, and none of us want the nerdy guy bagging our groceries leering at us because he jerked off to our video the night before.

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One day, a mum was cleaning her son's room and in the closet she found Femdom porn magazine. This was highly upsetting for her. She showed it to her husband. He looked at it and handed it back to her without a word.

She asks him: "Well, what should we do about this?"

The dad shrugs and says: "I'm not sure, but whatever you do, don't spank him!"

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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 5:32:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas

One could waste a lot of time here, I think.



Especially reading the crap you post.

Are you seriously suggesting women cant have a pov ?

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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 5:34:48 PM   
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RE: Real female submissives for videos - 11/11/2011 5:38:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

thats cos they(wimmens) are constantly giving him shit, he cant handle it< LOL



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