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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 7:58:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kinda of a tangent...but I was watching the weather channel the other day with some colleagues. (all guys)  The meteorologist was beautiful, and wearing a tight sweater.  We were all glued to the TV....  a female colleague (and spouse to one of the guys) walked in and said:  'what are you guys watching so intensely?"
we all answered in unison:
the other two guys: "hooters!"
me:  "low pressure system" 
wow. I really need to get out more often.



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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 8:01:40 PM   
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We were all glued to the TV....  a female colleague (and spouse to one of the guys) walked in and said:  'what are you guys watching so intensely?"
we all answered in unison:
the other two guys: "hooters!"
me:  "low pressure system" 
wow. I really need to get out more often.


Nominated for Sunny Quote of the Day.

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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 8:21:18 PM   
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I've seen Tula before.  Most transsexual women don't look like Tula.

Believe me, the knowledge that Tula's a dude is enough to kill my arousal stone cold.



Genes, DNA, evolution theory, genetic variance.. you want me to go on?

If you want to see Tula who is post-op as a dude then okay. I won't stop you, but accept it and even respect it. You are right, you're not alone in your thinking and your views.

Thank you for coming onto this thread and expressing them.

It doesn't matter to me you see. Your opinion of me and others like me doesn't change who I am or really, all that much what the people who matter to me think of me.

You might think as a heterosexual male at the top of the social hierarchy you get to call the shots and define the way the world and society is, but the truth is, you don't. You have what you perceive as privilege perhaps through being male and heterosexual, like countless other heterosexual males and perceive the rest of us as fitting in somewhere further down the social hierarchy.

You might not be able to forgive the MtF transsexual for betraying your gender and trying to deceive society into thinking that they are lower, i.e. female, and not keeping in with the solidarity that appears to lie behind your thinking.

The thing is that advantage you may perceive, that privilege in society is false. It's an illusion, nothing more. There is no solidarity in society. You are an individual, so am I, so is everybody else.

If this what I am writing is making you feel uncomfortable, then I'm sorry, this isn't my intention. I will restate what I think and feel, that I accept all that you have posted and I appreciate you bringing it to the thread.

You see I've gone the distance, done the work, I know who I am and who I am not. That who I am has been validated by enough medical professionals for it to be accepted as the truth. Therefore I'm not that bothered what you or anyone else for that matter thinks of me or what gender they ascribe to me. Whatever floats your boat and makes you feel most comfortable I guess.

I recognize that you are, just like me - and gender aside - a human being. You have your own individual take and perspective on life, and I accept that and respect it. I don't see any reason for conflict here.

You are right. I am right. We are just different. Such is the difference between reality as it is and the reality as we perceive it.

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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 8:32:57 PM   
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Yes.  Yes we do.  Are you telling me you've gotten to your advanced years without realising this fact.
That is a little surprising, I had that figured out when I was around 13.

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We rate women for fuckability, the same way they rate us for being a good catch - except for the chicks who are already rating us for fuckability.
Well I don't rate men at all, but I certainly do rate women for their fuckability.

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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 8:42:20 PM   
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Well given you seem to feel you're an expert on my world-view, pray tell us all what it is.  Given that it's so small, you should be able to lay it out in a few sentences.

What's that?  You can't.  Oh dear.  I guess you'd be full of shit then.


Oops, guess you weren't paying attention. Your world view? Ignorant, narrow minded and not large enough to reach the end of your nose.

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Are you retarded?  I ask because you appear to have significant problems understanding the purpose of the thread.  If you're really going to comment on my posts, I suggest a remedial course in English first.  I really don't want to waste time berating a functional idiot if this is the best they can apparently do.  It would be cruel.


Dude, if you really think you are talking to a functional idiot, your IQ is still sitting in the double digits and you are batting out of your league. The purpose of the thread was for people to state INDIVIDUAL opinions, not speak for the majority of mankind. Because thankfully for the rest of the world you are such a small portion of "mankind" as to barely exist.

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Unlikely.  Very unlikely.  That's kind of a conceit which really makes the problem worse.  Unless the dude has a second x chromosome and has consequently altered development, it's very difficult to hide the fundamental male characteristics - both physiological and psychological. 


Again, proof that your little world is really little. You are thinking of over the top Drag Queens, not people walking the streets. And your ignorance has shown you really are physchologically and most likely physiologically behind in the world. Being so, you would be easily fooled. Having met some extremely beautiful TG's in my life, you wouldn't have been able to tell.

But I bet you have fun when people talk about the whole Lady Gaga, does she or doesn't she? After all, with all your "hard wired" shit, you should be able to clear that right up, now shouldn't you?

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Last I heard, this thread wasn't about you and what you thought, felt or cared about.  It was about the thread author's inquiries into the minds of people and how they view transsexuals.  That you find this offensive is entirely your own problem.  I suggest you run off and have a good cry about it, because it's not my job to help you deal with your issues.


Of course, I'm just a female the big bad cro-magnon male thinks he upset, it would naturally cause me to run off and cry to have been so horribly humiliated by you.



As typical chauvanistic male, you only have issues with MtF.

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Oh lord, why would I care.  You're an irrelevance screaming for my attention.  Yes, I know you're a woman - or claim to be one - and I can fully understand how desperate you might be to have me acknowledge you, but give it a rest.  I have no interest in you whatsoever, so go look for someone else to feed your ego.

Christ, this shit gets monotonous.  Intolerance from those who preach it.  How fucking ironic.



I'm an "irrelevance" that you needed to come back and think you were verbally bitch slapping. Dude you are a middle aged chauvanist who thinks I only "claim" to be a woman (would question have arisen since I"m sure you don't think a female could be smarter than you [even though the dumbest woman on this board is smarter than you])

You could have completely ignored my post, and it would have been no skin off my nose, because I honestly don't care. I do, however, think it is important that the confused transgendered people who are scared of what they are feeling KNOW that you are in an ever increasing minority and your comments weighted such.

The fact that you came back to show how much more of an asshole you are than I pointed you out to be only proves my case more.

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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 8:43:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker
I'd be a heterosexual female that has sex with guys, obviously. 


All things being equal, if i'd been born in a male body i'd still be having sex with men, principally.

pam


If all things were equal and I was reborn as a female, I'd be heterosexual much like how I'm a heterosexual as a male as of this existence. 

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I'm sure she has no trouble attracting men--but you and NS have made it crystal clear--you are manly men who want women with womanly-parts because god forbid you get a woody looking at the picture of a gorgeous woman only to find out she was once biologically male


No, I'm not a manly man.  I'm just an ordinary guy that wants to have sex with legitimate females.  Shocking, I know. 

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I think the bigger question is would you be a jerk to them. Ok, more of a jerk to them than you are to others? Or will you treat them like a person, use gender appropriate pronouns and carry on with it just being another person you know?


I'd be civil to them, of course.  I'd also offend them because I'd call them by their biological sex.  That's the way I roll.

I would also not develop friendship with one.  I'm very particular about friendships and I honestly cannot see a transsexual doing me much good in life due to the social stigma they carry.  With their way of thought, we'd always be at odds due to our differing beliefs.  It would never work out. 


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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 8:45:01 PM   
Awareness


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Status: offline 		So let me get this straight - you wrote that entire monologue because you don't care what I think.

Right.

What you write isn't making me feel uncomfortable.  It's making me think you're deluded, but it's causing me no discomfort.

So certain people don't accept you because of some aspect of yourself.  Congratulations.  Welcome to the human fucking race.  You're not special, so stop crying about it.  There are always reasons why people don't accept us.  If necessary people will invent reasons why they don't like others.

People at the top of the social pyramid aren't exclusively heterosexual and male.  They're those who stop crying about the way the world is and just go about getting shit done.

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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 8:45:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Awareness
We rate women for fuckability, the same way they rate us for being a good catch - except for the chicks who are already rating us for fuckability.


It's just scary how often i've agreed with Awareness today.

pam

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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 8:47:12 PM   
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I'm very particular about friendships and I honestly cannot see a transsexual doing me much good in life due to the social stigma they carry.
Well that's interesting, but unsurprising, that you base your "friendships" on how much good people can do you.

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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 8:57:34 PM   
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Oops, guess you weren't paying attention. Your world view? Ignorant, narrow minded and not large enough to reach the end of your nose.
  That's a series of descriptions about my world-view.  I challenged you to state - and I'll emphasise this, because I'm clearly dealing with the slow class here - what it is.

You can't state it, because you don't understand it.  You just know that you don't like it.  You're like an ignorant swamp-dweller moving her gums and trying to ward off evil with hemp.

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Dude, if you really think you are talking to a functional idiot, your IQ is still sitting in the double digits and you are batting out of your league.
  I'm thinking you can type, but you can't think and have real trouble following a chain of reasoning, let alone constructing one.

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The purpose of the thread was for people to state INDIVIDUAL opinions, not speak for the majority of mankind. Because thankfully for the rest of the world you are such a small portion of "mankind" as to barely exist.
  Really?  Then what the FUCK are all the transsexuals whining about?  Why are they claiming oppression if people who think the way I do are such a vanishingly small proportion of mankind.  Christ, what a bunch of crybabies.

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Again, proof that your little world is really little. You are thinking of over the top Drag Queens, not people walking the streets. And your ignorance has shown you really are physchologically and most likely physiologically behind in the world. Being so, you would be easily fooled. Having met some extremely beautiful TG's in my life, you wouldn't have been able to tell.
  You're a chick.  You simply don't have the hardwiring we do.  It's like when women don't understand why men get impatient with the way they drive.  You're more conservative than we are and most of you can't judge distance for shit.

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But I bet you have fun when people talk about the whole Lady Gaga, does she or doesn't she? After all, with all your "hard wired" shit, you should be able to clear that right up, now shouldn't you?
  I just don't give a crap.

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Of course, I'm just a female the big bad cro-magnon male thinks he upset, it would naturally cause me to run off and cry to have been so horribly humiliated by you.
  Actually you're doing a brilliant job of humiliating yourself.   All I need to do is nudge you occasionally.

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I'm an "irrelevance" that you needed to come back and think you were verbally bitch slapping. Dude you are a middle aged chauvanist who thinks I only "claim" to be a woman (would question have arisen since I"m sure you don't think a female could be smarter than you [even though the dumbest woman on this board is smarter than you])
  No, I'd just like you to shut the fuck up instead of selfishly indulging yourself and derailing this thread so you can have a bitch at someone you feel threatened by.

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You could have completely ignored my post, and it would have been no skin off my nose, because I honestly don't care. I do, however, think it is important that the confused transgendered people who are scared of what they are feeling KNOW that you are in an ever increasing minority and your comments weighted such.
  Oh, I've tried ignoring you whiny bitches, but you go on and on and ON.  I realise you consider transsexual people as some lesser species that need your protection, but they really don't.  They really do not need or want your help.  Unless they want to be considered as a delicate protected species which needs special care and attention, less they disintegrate in a haze of fragility.

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The fact that you came back to show how much more of an asshole you are than I pointed you out to be only proves my case more.


CONGRATULATIONS - YOU'VE JUST BEEN NOMINATED FOR AWARENESS' "INCOHERENT FUCKING SENTENCE OF THE DAY" AWARD.




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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 8:59:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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I'm very particular about friendships and I honestly cannot see a transsexual doing me much good in life due to the social stigma they carry.
Well that's interesting, but unsurprising, that you base your "friendships" on how much good people can do you.
Everyone does.  Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking liar.

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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 9:03:35 PM   
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I spent my day participating in a GBLTQ panel for the Colorado Mentor's Program at the Sanctuary here in Denver.  It was a great panel with an amazing variety of participants, and a very good discussion.  After, my Lady and I joined another trans friend for dinner at a local restaurant and met with a new person just starting to explore BDSM and "being girly".

It was a good and positive day and I have to say that I Love My Life...

Thanks to all those who contributed positively to the topic!  <3


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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 9:03:35 PM   
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Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking liar.
I honestly don't, I have several friends who are, in all honesty, bad for me. But I like them all the same. That's all there is to it with me, if I like somebody or not, I honestly never consider whether or not a person is going to benefit me. However, much as with NS, I am unsurprised that you do.


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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 9:12:24 PM   
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Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking liar.
I honestly don't, I have several friends who are, in all honesty, bad for me. But I like them all the same. That's all there is to it with me, if I like somebody or not, I honestly never consider whether or not a person is going to benefit me. However, much as with NS, I am unsurprised that you do.

  For fuck's sake, having to walk you through the thought process necessary to get you to perceive your own hypocrisy is mind-bogglingly tedious.

Whether someone is bad for you is NOT the issue.  It's whether you gain something from the interaction.

If you gain nothing from it, then why the fuck would you spend your time doing something which provides you with nothing in return?  (Some could argue Mother Theresa might have been so inclined, but almost nobody else is.  They always get something out of it, even if that something is a warm sense of having done a good deed.)

Short answer:  You don't.  You're just full of shit and acting with your usual lack of self-awareness.


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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 9:15:00 PM   
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Everyone does.  Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking liar.


Nope. Not everyone. But MOST people.

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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 9:43:34 PM   
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So let me get this straight - you wrote that entire monologue because you don't care what I think.



It's a post to the thread. You expressed your opinion, I've responded to it. You want to call it a monologue, then okay. Don't let me stop you.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

What you write isn't making me feel uncomfortable.  It's making me think you're deluded, but it's causing me no discomfort.



The possibility of being uncomfortable was just an outside possibility. Delusions however are somewhat comforting when you can't accept the reality that other people present to you.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

So certain people don't accept you because of some aspect of yourself. 

Congratulations.  Welcome to the human fucking race.  You're not special, so stop crying about it.  There are always reasons why people don't accept us.  If necessary people will invent reasons why they don't like others.



Thanks for diminishing my experiences and trivializing them. Hope the points you've awarded yourself for doing so are worth it.

I never said I was special, and I'm definitely not crying. I think laughter is a bit closer. But then again I try not to laugh at other people's misfortune.

Projection is also quite a wonderful thing, and quite comforting too.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

People at the top of the social pyramid aren't exclusively heterosexual and male.  They're those who stop crying about the way the world is and just go about getting shit done.



There is no social pyramid. It's an illusion, a product of social engineering. There's just people.

I still accept what you say and respect you and your opinions, even if you didn't reciprocate.

But still, that's the way life and people are, you just have to take the rough with the smooth.

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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 9:46:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I suppose if you mean things like entertainment, laughs, companionship, interesting conversations, fellowship, and so on, then yes I guess they do do something for me. However, in the context of what NS said, that isn't what was meant. The fact that you are pretending it was is ample proof that you were wrong, and in usual Awareness fashion you're obfuscating.

Your motto should be: "If you can't impress them with facts, baffle them with bullshit"



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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 9:57:50 PM   
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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 10:23:46 PM   
Arpig


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Status: offline 		You don't even know yourself? Well that's a surprising confession to make.

It seems quite clear that you were saying that due to the social stigma you feel is associated with transsexuals, it would be disadvantageous for you to befriend one, presumably because you feel some of that stigma would rub off on you.


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RE: The Transgender Thread - 11/13/2011 10:47:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Uh huh - and that social stigma is an anchor to the real world.  Not only would I find zero common ground or relation to a transsexual but they would prevent me from expanding my social circle to those that I mesh well with.  So do I befriend a person that most of the world views with negativity and share zero interests with or do I befriend the people that I get along with and are normal? 

It comes back around to, "What can you do for me?"  A wider social circle gives greater opportunities in areas I'm interested in and provides excellent conversation as a plus.  People have friends because they provide a nice perk for them.  Be it keeping up confidences, cutting you discounts, being your wingman at the club, etc. 


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