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RE: Amnesty is treasoness! - 5/27/2006 5:53:51 PM   
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Maybe in a morality play there's an evil couple named Treason and Treasoness.  OED recognizes "treasonette."  I guess those were Aaron Burr's cheerleaders.

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RE: Amnesty is treasoness! - 5/27/2006 5:54:51 PM   
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a couple of points on this topic

* protests: if you broke the law, are here illegaly & want papers...shouldn't you be asking..please?

*ANSWER: if these commies are on your side, more than likely I'm not.

*che "the butcher" guevara: if you are so stupid that you worship a murderer, I don't want you voting in this country.



Che Guevara is onna my personal heros.  i have read up on Him, and do not understand Your comment about "the murderer".  Can You please explain?
 
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RE: Amnesty is treasoness! - 5/27/2006 6:04:24 PM   
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I think its far more treasonness that US employers advertise for jobs in these Mexican cities, employ them illegally and then get away with it.

I'll take someone seriously on illegal immigration when they go after what causes it -- low paying jobs in Mexico and a willingness in the USA to illegally employ people with little fear of the government doing anything to these "good" US business folk.

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RE: Amnesty is treasoness! - 5/27/2006 6:27:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pantera

a couple of points on this topic

* protests: if you broke the law, are here illegaly & want papers...shouldn't you be asking..please?

*ANSWER: if these commies are on your side, more than likely I'm not.

*che "the butcher" guevara: if you are so stupid that you worship a murderer, I don't want you voting in this country.



Che Guevara is onna my personal heros.  i have read up on Him, and do not understand Your comment about "the murderer".  Can You please explain?
 
candystripper


http://www.slate.com/id/2107100

Time magazine also touched upon a "darker, more turbulent Che who signed orders to execute prisoners in Cuban jails without a fair trial", as well as the "generous Che who tended wounded enemy soldiers, gone is the vulnerable warrior who wanted to curtail his love of life lest it make him less effective in combat".
 
Yes, he helped topple a dictator in Batista, but in doing so he took part in elevating another jackal in his place, Fidel Castro.
 
http://www.time.com/time/time100/heroes/profile/guevara01.html



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RE: Amnesty is treasoness! - 5/27/2006 6:58:39 PM   
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I have no problem with immigrants, if you come here to be an American more power to you for being willing to better yourself and remove yourself from the crap hole you quite possibly lived in before.  Come here, be an American, learn the language, work hard, do it legally, and all is well.

What I have a problem with are people who from day one have been breaking our nations laws.  They come here illegally, they have zero desire to be an American, they suck us dry, don't pay taxes, use up resources in our hospitals, slow down our schools (and yes I have first hand experience being in school with a few) with their children who don't speak one word of English, and so on.  Illegal immigrants are nothing more then parasites and I could care less if you kicked every one back across the border by way of implanting foot to their nether regions.  There isn't a single job they do that wasn't done first either by legal workers or by native born Americans.  Pick fruit?  My uncle did it plenty for cash and plenty of legal immigrants do it.  And it isn't simply dirty nasty work they do, they even take away from skilled trades the higher ups don't want you to think they take. 

I will give you electricians as an example.  Contractors have found out if they take a group of Mexicans and give them about an hours worth of training in the basics of connecting one wire to another, switches, and boxes, they can just show them a basic diagram of where they want it and let them loose in the house.  Five or six will cost the same it does for one electrician and his helper and get it done in a quarter of the time.  They will then just have an electrician who actually knows what he is doing come in after inspect it and fix the screw ups they almost always find.  By the time it is all said and done each house is done like crap and cheaper and you can bang out more houses to boot.  That is one example, it goes on plenty of places.  Also when they are willing to work for nothing or even less then minimum wage the average American can't get hired to do it.

Like I said I have no problem for people who want to come here legally and want to become Americans.  I could care less what happens to people who come here and sap off of our country, break its law with every step they take, and do nothing but further it being run into the ground.

Also I have zero sympathy for the guy who knowingly hires an illegal and pays a wage to one so low an American who wants the work simply can't afford to do it in his place.  Immigrants help to provide low cost labor, always has been that way and probably always will.  But when you pay them one that is so low it is redicules and Americans simply can't work for it they can kick you out along with them for all I care.  It is just as much the fault of employers for giving them jobs as it is the illegal's who come here to take them. Mexico has problems, life sucks.  With all that Mexico has to offer there is no reason they can't make it as a wealthy prosperous nation.  They have plenty of natural resources and on top of that cheap labor.  If it wont work by voting them out, then ya know what have a revolution and remove the corrupt government destroying your country.  It has worked for thousands of years no reason it needs to stop working. And BTW, anyone opposed to what many Americans want on our Southern border needs to step back a second and review some facts.  Namely what'll happen to you if you cross Mexico's border illegally especially from the South, and the restrictions on those who aren't native born.  A nation has every right to protect its borders and what we want is less strict then a hell of a lot of countries out there.

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RE: Amnesty is treasonous! - 5/27/2006 7:07:13 PM   
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Certainly if I gave you a chuckle you have a couple of your non slobbered upon Oreos in the mail to me?

Hell, I'll even include some milk
Will you behave and stop derailing this thread with sex talk?  

...And when was anyone going to mention the word is actually Treasonous?   M

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RE: Amnesty is treasonous! - 5/27/2006 7:10:05 PM   
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I did, in my first post   :)  I still want some Oreos though.

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RE: Amnesty is treasonous! - 5/27/2006 7:12:18 PM   
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And I wanna talk about sex! Fine, I'll just go start my own thread "Sex and Cookies In 17th Century Antartica".

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RE: Amnesty is treasonous! - 5/27/2006 7:13:14 PM   
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Alright Level step to it and deliver some cookies and at some point milk to the lady!   M

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RE: Amnesty is treasonous! - 5/27/2006 7:16:28 PM   
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Hell no, I am not going to Antarctica, even for Oreos.

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RE: Amnesty is treasonous! - 5/27/2006 7:21:17 PM   
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*crams some cookies in an envelope, including some slobbery ones, pours in some milk, and stamps "postage to be paid by recipient on envelope*

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RE: Amnesty is treasonous! - 5/27/2006 7:37:28 PM   
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Cheap sod!

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RE: Amnesty is treasonous! - 5/27/2006 7:42:31 PM   
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Cheap sod!


Quit calling me dirt! And I know your going to make Crappy pay for it anyway

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RE: Amnesty is treasonous! - 5/27/2006 7:47:29 PM   
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Cheap sod!
I was going to say that to him; he's never going to get to the milk part if he can't even pay for friggin' postage.
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RE: Amnesty is treasoness! - 5/27/2006 7:55:41 PM   
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I have no problem with immigrants, if you come here to be an American more power to you for being willing to better yourself and remove yourself from the crap hole you quite possibly lived in before.  Come here, be an American, learn the language, work hard, do it legally, and all is well.

What I have a problem with are people who from day one have been breaking our nations laws.  They come here illegally, they have zero desire to be an American, they suck us dry, don't pay taxes, use up resources in our hospitals, slow down our schools (and yes I have first hand experience being in school with a few) with their children who don't speak one word of English, and so on.  Illegal immigrants are nothing more then parasites and I could care less if you kicked every one back across the border by way of implanting foot to their nether regions.  There isn't a single job they do that wasn't done first either by legal workers or by native born Americans.  Pick fruit?  My uncle did it plenty for cash and plenty of legal immigrants do it.  And it isn't simply dirty nasty work they do, they even take away from skilled trades the higher ups don't want you to think they take. 

I will give you electricians as an example.  Contractors have found out if they take a group of Mexicans and give them about an hours worth of training in the basics of connecting one wire to another, switches, and boxes, they can just show them a basic diagram of where they want it and let them loose in the house.  Five or six will cost the same it does for one electrician and his helper and get it done in a quarter of the time.  They will then just have an electrician who actually knows what he is doing come in after inspect it and fix the screw ups they almost always find.  By the time it is all said and done each house is done like crap and cheaper and you can bang out more houses to boot.  That is one example, it goes on plenty of places.  Also when they are willing to work for nothing or even less then minimum wage the average American can't get hired to do it.

Like I said I have no problem for people who want to come here legally and want to become Americans.  I could care less what happens to people who come here and sap off of our country, break its law with every step they take, and do nothing but further it being run into the ground.

Also I have zero sympathy for the guy who knowingly hires an illegal and pays a wage to one so low an American who wants the work simply can't afford to do it in his place.  Immigrants help to provide low cost labor, always has been that way and probably always will.  But when you pay them one that is so low it is redicules and Americans simply can't work for it they can kick you out along with them for all I care.  It is just as much the fault of employers for giving them jobs as it is the illegal's who come here to take them. Mexico has problems, life sucks.  With all that Mexico has to offer there is no reason they can't make it as a wealthy prosperous nation.  They have plenty of natural resources and on top of that cheap labor.  If it wont work by voting them out, then ya know what have a revolution and remove the corrupt government destroying your country.  It has worked for thousands of years no reason it needs to stop working. And BTW, anyone opposed to what many Americans want on our Southern border needs to step back a second and review some facts.  Namely what'll happen to you if you cross Mexico's border illegally especially from the South, and the restrictions on those who aren't native born.  A nation has every right to protect its borders and what we want is less strict then a hell of a lot of countries out there.


Wtf is up with all this hating on Mexicans?  In Florida it's the same damned rant, just substitute "Cuban" for "Mexican".  In Texas, it's "Vietnamese". 
 
This racism just sucks.  Stop the hate.
 
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RE: Amnesty is treasonous! - 5/27/2006 7:56:01 PM   
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hmm good point, just bill it to my future hubby. 

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RE: Amnesty is treasonous! - 5/27/2006 7:58:42 PM   
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Cheap sod!
I was going to say that to him; he's never going to get to the milk part if he can't even pay for friggin' postage.
<<<<-----Shakes head in disapointment with Level.  M


<<<<wonders how much that milk is worth lol....

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RE: Amnesty is treasoness! - 5/27/2006 8:02:50 PM   
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Being American Indian....from purely MY point of view now, this just makes me shake my head.  Mainly, because the Mexican government doesn't seem to give a damn.  Personally, I think the Mexican people should have a revolution....shake things up...try to make it better and pray that the US govn't keeps it nose out of their business.

In my more humorous moments...it makes me giggle. 

Why?

Now you know how we felt.

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RE: Amnesty is treasonous! - 5/27/2006 8:11:02 PM   
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Right, so because I want my countries boarders protected I am a racist?  Gee willy wiz I didn't know I wanted them out because of their race I always thought it was because they are here illegally sucking my country for all it is worth.  Please do refer to the fact I have no problem with people who come here legally.  Don't care what race you are, and if it was based purely on race I'd be painting a pretty broad brush and using a term that refers to those of Spanish decent, last I checked Mexican was a nationality not a race.  Mexicans are the main problem, hence the reason why they are generally referred to even though they aren't the one and only problem.  Really, calling me a racist doesn't change facts and is a straw man argument.

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RE: Amnesty is treasoness! - 5/27/2006 8:13:49 PM   
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Heya candystripper,


I agree that it is pretty odious.... It is very easy to sit on our fat American asses, consuming the largest portion of the worlds goods and natural resources and bitch at people who have to flee their native country to try to survive.

At one point... we were a country of compassion for those who were not as fortunate as we are.  Then we sold our national soul to the devils of big business, and all that means, in terms of apathy and consumerism... (sure sure I will do my part in this world  [and even be a great Christian!!!]  just don't touch my bubble, just don't make me use any form of the s word.... sacrifice). 

What we forget is that this country is not ours.  We stole this land from the indigenous peoples who were already here.. I don't see anyone hopping off their high horses and suggesting the Native Americans should allow us to be shipped the hell out of here?


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