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Calandra -> A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 3:18:23 PM)

Over the years I've read countless posts from hundreds of people who (with sincerely good intentions) have posted comments similar to the ones below concerning collars:

"A collar should be a lifetime committment."
"A collar is sacred and should never be given/accepted unless _____"
"Anyone who accepts/offers a collar should be_____"
"A collar is forever."
"Someone who has had/offered several collars must be into velcro collars"
"If someone accepts/offers a collar before _<set period of time>_ isn't serious"

 
Yes, every few months the debate about "different types of collars" begins anew, and I'm not seeking to start it again. What I'm wanting to convey is this: Not all collars are equal. They simply do not mean the same thing universally to each and everyone in this lifestyle, nor do they perform the same function.
 
When new people (for the rest of this post, assume I'm speaking of both Dominant and submissive power identities) come onto the scene, they are full of questions, and often find that sorting out how and where kink fits into their life takes a confusing turn when they begin reading the majority of resources out there. So many posters to newsgroups and bulletin boards have the tendency to state things as a "fact" rather than as one "option" or "opinion" because in their lives what they are stating IS a fact. This tendency then leads to strife when someone else posts other options or viewpoints. All the while, newbies are watching the dialogue and getting more and more confused.
 
I employ three types of collars in MY PERSONAL practice of this lifestyle I love.
1.) The "play" or "scene" collar.  
2.) The training collar.  
3.) The formal collar.
I've also heard of various other collars, including "house collars", "collars of consideration", "protection collars", ect, etc, etc...

 
Now I suspect that people who make the above statements are discussing the concept of the "formal" collar,  because some of the collars I mention above are constructed to serve many different types of relationships - even non-committed ones.
 
A formal collar is a beautiful (even sacred) symbol within a fully committed relationship. It "can" encompass love, devotion, and so much more - but in "some" relationships it simply means that the Dominant and submissive have reached a point where they can commit to a way of life that fulfills their needs. What if neither of them wants sex to be included in their relationship? What if neither of them wants love or romance to be part of the dynamic? A new person who's needs don't seem to "fit" with the more common definition of a formal collar might feel confused and alienated from the community because they are similar in some ways, but dissimilar in others.
 
A training collar has so many variations that it is *always* specific to the two (or more) people involved. (That is, as long as you don't get embroiled in the debate concerning the negative spin the word "training" has gotten in recent years.) A training collar is often used as a prelude to a formal collar, where the people involved have established basics, and feel an interest in getting to know each other on deeper levels before committing totally. I've heard it compared to an "engagement ring". But sometimes it is used as a symbol of authority while a person is being taught a specific skill (the sub may even be within a formal collar to someone else). Other times it is put in place while a person is learning basics from a mentor, even though both parties KNOW they do not intend to pursue a formal
collar in the future. A training collar (when used responsibly) is often used as a way to give a submissive "room to grow and find his/her feet", without distracting and unwanted attentions from outside influences. Does this type of collar include committment? Of course it does, but on a more limited basis than the one described in the comments above. (not attacking, simply disagreeing and clarifying) Does this type of collar require trust? Yes, but not total trust since training is a partnership where the dominant and submissive are active participants. Ultimate trust takes time to earn, and within a training collar both the dominant and the submissive has the opportunity to assess the trustworthiness of the other (as well as assessing any other people they will be connected with within a poly situation). With all of this in mind, is a training collar less valid than a formal one? Of course not - but that's the impression a new person might get by reading some of the posts out there.
 
In my opinion (not making claims for anyone else's ways), a collar of consideration is a type of training collar, so to keep things simple, I don't use this term, but I respect the concept. (I'd actually be very interested in hearing opinions from people who DO use this type of collar, since I like to expand my understanting when possible) However, since it is simply "consideration", then any claims that "a collar is a committment forever and always, etc." simply wouldn't fit this type of collar either, would it? Does someone who accepts this type of collar and then decides they don't want to go forward towards a formal collar then become one of those who wears or gives "velcro" collars? I don't think so. I actually think that someone who goes slowly and refuses a formal collar because things don't fit after closer inspection deserves my respect. It makes me trust their decision-making much more than someone who changes collars as often as they change underwear. ( I do agree with the velcro collar sentiment, I simply feel that when opinions similar to the ones above are stated as "facts", a lot of very valid collars fall through the cracks along with the bullshit ones. How does a new person differentiate if we don't point these differences out for their consideration?)
 
A collar of protection is a tricky one... Worst case scenario? I've seen online Dom/mes slap collars of protection upon the necks of every new sub that walks into a chatroom in an attempt to garner the exclusive attention of every, starry-eyed sub who will listen. These people have stables (or corrals) where they often stand on a pedestal, beat their chests, and proclaim that (somehow) they will prevent all the horrible, dangerous, insidious things from happening to each and every sub who places their trust in them. (They often tend to lead the subs into private chat and email, because they know that if there is even ONE knowledgeable lifestyle person present, their superhero complex will be revealed for what it is - a selfish way to make themselves look good without any substance underneath.) In my opinion, a protection collar like the one I just described is always suspect. Why not take the time to empower and educate new subs in skills they can use to protect themselves???
 
The only VALID type of protection collar I've ever known, is the one used by a "Keyholder". Now some new ones may ask what a Keyholder is... A Keyholder is a trusted third person who is empowered by the Dom/me and the sub in a formal relationship to step in and assist a submissive in the event that, tragically, they lose their Dominant in some way other than a mutual separation. I was once collared to a wonderful Master, and we were young and happy. I never expected the call telling me that He was in ICU from an auto accident. He passed away and I was alone and in a haze of pain for more than a year because we didn't plan ahead and create a support system in case He wasn't able to be there for me. In the four years we were together, He had never failed me, until the last. I am taking steps to protect my beloved cubby in the event that I pass away unexpectedly. I thought I'd found someone we could both trust with our lives (you know, living wills, keyholder, all the yuckky things we don't want to plan for...) until recently when I discovered that the keyholder I'd selected and I differed in some very basic ways and we have to re-assess... Back to square one... But if I die before cubs is taken care of, it isn't because I haven't tried. Anyway, a Keyholder isn't someone who has a sexual, financial, or kinky interest in the submissive. They're someone who can be trusted to help the sub make arrangements, grieve, and acclimate to life
without their Dominant. They are someone who puts a protective "fence" around the sub and who fields the advances of prospective Dominants who may not know the sub's need for time and space. They are someone who can act as mediator when the time comes for a sub to begin re-entering the world again. They have the selfless desire to protect the sub out of respect and love for both the Dominant and the sub who were affected by this tragedy. Once again, this isn't a collar that is ever meant to be permanent, or indicative of love or committment beyond honoring the wants and needs of a sub in need.
 
Last, but not least - The play or scene collar... That moment when someone has asked to bottom and the top accepts... ~swoons~ In a Top/bottom scenario, there dosen't have to be a whole relationship outside of the two hours they are in the dungeon together. They don't have to be committed. They don't have to have sex, or love, or even a massive amount of trust so long as things are negotiated, and references are thoroughly checked. Even better - A DM or witness present. I'm sorry, but a scene where no bondage is used, where the sub is capable of getting up and walking away requires a very small amount of trust for some. As a Pro Domina for five years, I've scened with many many subs/bottoms/etc... I didn't have to know their names, didn't have to know if they were married, had kids, had employment, or anything... I needed to know their health history, their limits, and their wants/desires. I employed the use of a collar in many of those scenes. When that collar gripped their neck, many times I could see the sensation wash over them, placing them into my command as effectively as any other collar employed in this lifestyle. A play collar is just as valid to the person kneeling before me, as the collar that anyone else in this lifestyle wears/offers. Why? Because we live in the NOW. We don't live in the past - it's gone, and we can't count on the future. How we feel NOW is all that really matters in the grand scheme of things... Maybe the person wearing a scene collar only has two hours to live this... that two hours is just as important as any 24/7 formal collar out there. (in some cases MORE so if us 24/7 people begin to take things for granted)
 
I don't mean to sound offensive, honestly... but the collar that  so very many people describe is only one collar out of many we use daily in this lifestyle we love... By only describing one type of collar as representative of how everyone should perceive them, they potentially take away choices that new ones NEED in deciding how to proceed with their exploration of a wonderful lifestyle. I don't believe that people who post this one-sided view of collars actually think LESS of people who use them differently in their heart. I think what happens is they simply don't see those collars in the same light, since they don't apply in their life, and they only speak from THEIR EXPERIENCE - which is fine, so long as they phrase it as opinion and experience, not as universal "fact".
 
I want the new ones to have more information, not less... and this is my attempt to enlist your aid in making that information available. ~warm smiles~
 
Lady Kathryn
Athens Ga. 




KatyLied -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 3:21:50 PM)

You forgot the "finger collar".   I read a profile of a recently married couple who exchanged "finger collars" (aka: wedding bands)




Calandra -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 3:39:20 PM)

I've never heard of that expression... I wasn't even attempting to discuss the physical form a collar might take, since I believe any physical collar only reflects the one upon the sub/slave/bottom's heart.
 
And to me, a marriage would be akin to a formal collar I guess... ~shrugs~
 
I also didn't discuss the "house collar" since I don't know enough (even second hand) to attempt to explain it... I'd love to understand what function the house collar performs...
 
 




KatyLied -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 3:43:03 PM)

Oh, I'd also never heard of a "finger collar" until someone pointed out that specific profile to me.  To me, a collar can only represent what two (or more) people intend it to.  That's why there is so much heated discussion when the topic arises, there can't be a universal agreement.   




akisha -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 3:49:51 PM)

House collar means you belong to a home or group (widely used in Groean lifestyle) rather then a collar of a personal owner/Master/Dom.




Calandra -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 3:51:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: akisha
House collar means you belong to a home or group (widely used in Groean lifestyle) rather then a collar of a personal owner/Master/Dom.


Okay, would you be willing to describe the function of a house collar? I can't seem to wrap my head around it since it seems to be a power structure where more than one dominant partner would hold authority... how does that work? or am I misunderstanding it totally?




diamonddreamlove -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 5:27:45 PM)

Ty so much for the info has geven me more to think about, of course everytime i begin to think i have some small understanding of bdsm it gets blown up and i realise how fragmented me knowledge and understanding truly is.  Recently someone offered me protection and i had to smile say no ty while thinking i believe i need the protection from You not from Others.  I went so far as to ask him what that meant and he could not tell me.  Notice the small letters they are for a reason.




Sensualips -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 5:29:28 PM)

A collar means whatever the people directly involved with it agree it means. This is great background knowledge, but the terms are still not universally applicable. I feel you should always ask the person you are talking with what they mean when they say [insert term here]




Slipstreme -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 5:32:27 PM)

Collars are whatever you make them out be. Nothing more, nothing less.

I for one, love them, and will wear them, but I will not submit in them.




akisha -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 5:49:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Calandra

quote:

ORIGINAL: akisha
House collar means you belong to a home or group (widely used in Groean lifestyle) rather then a collar of a personal owner/Master/Dom.


Okay, would you be willing to describe the function of a house collar? I can't seem to wrap my head around it since it seems to be a power structure where more than one dominant partner would hold authority... how does that work? or am I misunderstanding it totally?



Ok for example in Gor a house collar means you do not have a one on one Master. The Ubar/Administrator or Head of household owns numerous slaves that perform in various capacities. There are slaves that cook, slaves that clean, slaves that entertain by dancing, slaves that entertain guests sexually etc etc etc. You get the idea..

Now if you say wanted to put this into a more earthen, day to day paramiter look at it like this.

There are people or rather Dominants that run a farm, estate, manor etc. They may have many slaves that perform in the same capacity. Some that do cooking, some that do yard work some that perform sexually. There may be more then one Dominant in the household and the salves may not be personally owned by any of them but are in fact brought into servitude for the care and betterment of the home. Therefore the slave would have a home or house collar. They are there to serve those that reside or visit the home.

A visiting Dominant would ofcourse have to have the permission of the Owner to use a house slave but also a slave or a couple of slaves may be assigned to a visitor to ensure that their needs are met during their visit.

You may have noticed that there are many posts about how BDSM is not purely sexual, but more a service based lifestyle. This is what they mean.

Yes some of us (me included) would not be content in a non sexual BDSM lifestyle, but there are those out there that would be completely content to do nothing but ensure that their owners are totally and completely cared for and let the sex be left for someone else to deal with.

Hope this helped a little. 

kisha   8o) 




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 5:59:12 PM)

You forgot fashion collar, posture collar, pet collars, and some others.

People will use whatever symbol they want for whatever purpose they want.




PlayfulOne -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 6:47:55 PM)

shrugs,  and?  Collars mean no more or no less than the two people involved agree upon.  Unless your following the Gorean structure where the definitions are pretty well laid out. 

K




Calandra -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 10:00:08 PM)

I wasn't trying to give a definitive dissertation on all types of collars everywhere... I was attempting to expose the myth that "a real collar means____" BECAUSE there are so many functions that they serve.
 
I chose to use the types of collars I know about to emphasize some of the popular misconceptions... But thanks anyway...
 
Maybe since you know of other types of collars, rather than simply naming them, give a little information about them so new ones would be able to have a beeter idea of all the varieties out there...? ~smile~




LadiesBladewing -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 10:19:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Calandra

I also didn't discuss the "house collar" since I don't know enough (even second hand) to attempt to explain it... I'd love to understand what function the house collar performs...



We've used a House collar throughout our lifestyle experience. We're a poly household, with multiple dominants, multiple servants, and several rings of interaction that our household operates within. Because of this, it is -very- important that our training and long-term servants understand that they will not be owned by one person, but by all of the free members of our household. This is a -very- challenging concept for some, especially when the individuals were either inexperienced and unaware of what a relationship with a household like ours might mean, or where the individuals in question came begging a collar with the intention of eventually belonging -privately- to one of the free of our household.

We don't give private collars. Everything within our household is shared property, including the servants. We use a House collar so that it is completely clear that a servant serves the whole of the House, and cannot expect to belong to any one individual.

For our long-time servants, there is a level of House collar at which he or she becomes a full member of our family. This, too, is a House collar, but what this collar represents is that point at which an individual moves from being an associate and friend, to the point at which that person is truly one of us, entitled to speak, vote and participate in the most intimate knowledge and decisions of our family.

Zephyr WindDancer Bladewing




Calandra -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 10:32:50 PM)

Wow, thank you so much akisha and LadiesBladewing,
 
A house collar does make sense the way you both explain it. ~smiles~
I love learning new things, and I feel that if anyone ever asked me what a house collar is in the future I could give a basic explanation until I could refer them to better sources...
 
See, THIS is what I hope for - dialogue where we discuss DIFFERENT types of collars in order to give new ones, and even not so new ones information that helps them to see what resonates with them...
 
When I see posts that give one-sided or incomplete answers, I am so frustrated because I know that this lifestyle is full of educators and sincere people who want to help if they can "put themselves into a new one's shoes"...




juliaoceania -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 10:37:47 PM)

LadiesBladeswing,

I was wondering if you had a model with which to aspire to in the running of your house, or if this was something that you have created with the other free persons that reside in your home? Are there other houses such as yourown?




Calandra -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 10:43:33 PM)

Thats a great question juliaoceania! I was wondering the same thing actually....




candystripper -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 10:59:26 PM)

quote:

A collar means whatever the people directly involved with it agree it means. This is great background knowledge, but the terms are still not universally applicable. I feel you should always ask the person you are talking with what they mean when they say [insert term here]

Sensualips


This post was excellent Ma'am.  Though i might add, i did enjoy hearing about the Keyholder; what a great idea.
 
candystripper




shivvy -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 11:20:25 PM)

i have nuffin to add, but i just wanted to say thank You/you to everybody that's posted. i consider myself to be a newbie, coz i know there's so much i still have to learn. And posts like this are just really grand and informative. So thank You/you.




IronBear -> RE: A Balanced view of collars... (a rant, if you will) (5/26/2006 11:32:04 PM)

There is a detailed description of the three collars used in House Iron Bear in my profile. For those who would join us it as all there for them to read.... 




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