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hlen5 -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/12/2011 8:25:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: BanthaSamantha

Let's keep psychic powers out of the political discussion.

Fair enough.

We're in deep shit no matter who wins. If it's Obama, nothing will change. If it's a Republican, things will get worse.

How's that?

K.



Such a sunny outlook!![;)]




slvemike4u -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/12/2011 8:31:23 PM)

Well after listening to the Republican candidates pontificate on foreign policy tonight I can't disagree with his "things will get worse" scenario.




FirstQuaker -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/12/2011 8:50:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Well after listening to the Republican candidates pontificate on foreign policy tonight I can't disagree with his "things will get worse" scenario.


This is assuming any of this isn't just campaign posturing.

Sarkozy's mionions came beck from their trip begging money to China and the Hungarian Carpetbagger had with a whole new view 180 degrees from his earlier military posturing. If the Frogs expect any money for them or the EU, they better not start trouble in the oil patch.

The Chinese are quite capable of making sure any war in the Persian Gulf isn't funded with a Bank of China credit card, and that includes the one the US has about maxed out.

And the House of Saud depends on the massive oil revenues to keep the welfare state going in their Islamic Disneyland, to the tune of over 50 dollars  or so of each barrel of oil they pump. The wonks say they need `72USD/barrel just to break even with their food imports and social spending. Never mind the rest of the Gulf puppet states. KSA can float on their fat for a while, but let the oil flow stop and the Saudi Welfare state will be having some real interesting problems, especially when this is due to their support of  an attack of another Islamic nation.

We will see what tunes the corporate parrot's sing about Iran when the real money of their corporate masters on Wall Street and in the City is actually on the line.




popeye1250 -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/12/2011 10:05:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Perry has me longing for the genius of a Palin...the man makes absolutely o sense.Bachman comes off as intelligent after a Perry ramble.


And Herman Cain makes Obama look like a whiney little schoolboy after someone took his lunch money.
And the U.S. doesn't need to do anything about Iran, if anything is going to be "done" about Iran let the Europeans and Israel handle it.
Let's sit this one out. We should be able to depend on our allies to get things done.




BanthaSamantha -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/12/2011 11:18:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

And Herman Cain makes Obama look like a whiney little schoolboy after someone took his lunch money.
And the U.S. doesn't need to do anything about Iran, if anything is going to be "done" about Iran let the Europeans and Israel handle it.
Let's sit this one out. We should be able to depend on our allies to get things done.



Ignoring from the caustic language above, it does make sense to assume that our ally Israel would show Iran the wrath of an Abrahamic God if they were close to getting a nuke.




popeye1250 -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/12/2011 11:34:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BanthaSamantha


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

And Herman Cain makes Obama look like a whiney little schoolboy after someone took his lunch money.
And the U.S. doesn't need to do anything about Iran, if anything is going to be "done" about Iran let the Europeans and Israel handle it.
Let's sit this one out. We should be able to depend on our allies to get things done.



Ignoring from the caustic language above, it does make sense to assume that our ally Israel would show Iran the wrath of an Abrahamic God if they were close to getting a nuke.


"Caustic language?" Everytime I see Oblunder I imagine him in little boy rich kid short pants with snot running down his face and calling for "Mommy."
He's not exactly a "man's man" is he?




FirstQuaker -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/12/2011 11:35:04 PM)

Israelis or at least the ruling government are playing their own game regarding Iran.

Israel has refused to reassure President Barack Obama that it would warn him in advance of any pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear capabilities, raising fears that it may be planning a go-it-alone attack as early as next summer.
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Officially, his brief was restricted to the Middle East peace process, but the most important part of his mission was a private meeting with Mr Netanyahu and the defence minister, Ehud Barak. Once all but a handful of trusted staff had left the room, Mr Panetta conveyed an urgent message from Barack Obama. The president, Mr Panetta said, wanted an unshakable guarantee that Israel would not carry out a unilateral military strike against Iran's nuclear installations without first seeking Washington's clearance.

The two Israelis were notably evasive in their response, according to sources both in Israel and the United States. "They did not suggest that military action was being planned or was imminent, but neither did they give any assurances that Israel would first seek Washington's permission, or even inform the White House in advance that a mission was underway," one said.


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An Israeli attack could probably manage at most a dozen targets, using more than 100 F-15 and F-16 aircraft.

Three German-designed Dolphin submarines equipped with conventional cruise missiles could also be ordered into the Persian Gulf to take part, although it is thought that Israel's Jericho-3 ballistic missiles are to inaccurate to play a role.

But how effective the mission would be is another matter. At best, Israel can hope to delay Iran from building a bomb by two to four years, experts assess. Optimists hope that within such a period, Iran's Islamist regime could collapse and give may to a more moderate government. But it could equally redouble its nuclear efforts, this time arguing that it now had every right to produce a weapon.

As Mr Panetta warned during a Pentagon briefing last Thursday, such a strike would also have a "serious impact" on the region. Iran could blockade the Straits of Hormuz, through which 25 per cent of the world's oil exports are shipped, sending energy prices soaring. US military assets in the Gulf could come also come under attack from Iranian Scud missiles.


Not that the US, Russia or China  would miss this blip on the radar, or that it could go on without a wink and a nod from the House of Saud.




DarqueMirror -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/12/2011 11:56:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran


Outstanding. Guess I should vote for Romney then.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/13/2011 3:26:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: BanthaSamantha


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

And Herman Cain makes Obama look like a whiney little schoolboy after someone took his lunch money.
And the U.S. doesn't need to do anything about Iran, if anything is going to be "done" about Iran let the Europeans and Israel handle it.
Let's sit this one out. We should be able to depend on our allies to get things done.



Ignoring from the caustic language above, it does make sense to assume that our ally Israel would show Iran the wrath of an Abrahamic God if they were close to getting a nuke.


"Caustic language?" Everytime I see Oblunder I imagine him in little boy rich kid short pants with snot running down his face and calling for "Mommy."
He's not exactly a "man's man" is he?

Well that's a weird chrono-synclastic infundibulum, there. Every time I see a Popeye post I hear the Village People...

In The Navy




DarkSteven -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/13/2011 3:31:21 AM)

Unfortunately, Romney's position isn't really that off base.  Iran IS developing nukes, and we are using sanctions without great effect.  His statement about "going to war" is the final option, after everything else has been tried.  The alternatives are to do nothing and let Iran go nuclear, or let Israel invade as a proxy.

I'm hoping that Stuxnet clones can keep them from getting functional, but I don't know how long that will stand in their way.




DomKen -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/13/2011 6:25:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Obama's answer would be a bunch of bs. He thinks a speech will solve the problem.

Yeah. Look at all those speeches he's made demanding OBL turn himself in. [8|]




hot4bondage -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/13/2011 6:46:40 AM)

~FR~

Out of the 60 minutes of the debate that was on national TV, Ron Paul spoke for 89 seconds. So, in case anyone missed it, he's against all interventionist wars, all forms of torture, and giving any of our tax money to other countries. And his voting record doesn't betray his words--a truly astounding feat these days. If the goal of national security is peace and liberty, Ron Paul won this debate.




seekerofslut -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/13/2011 6:56:34 AM)

The old Soviet Union got the BOMB. We did nothing about  that. China got the BOMB. We did nothing about that. N. Korea got the BOMB. We did nothing about that. Pakistan got the BOMB. We did nothing about that. France, England, India and Israel have the BOMB. We did nothing about them too. Unless Iran is desirous of martyrdom, which I doubt, why expend so much on that which is inevitable? Seriously, people are more concerned over the Wizard than the ones behind the curtain.




Moonhead -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/13/2011 7:01:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: seekerofslut

The old Soviet Union got the BOMB. We did nothing about  that. China got the BOMB. We did nothing about that. N. Korea got the BOMB. We did nothing about that. Pakistan got the BOMB. We did nothing about that. France, England, India and Israel have the BOMB. We did nothing about them too. Unless Iran is desirous of martyrdom, which I doubt, why expend so much on that which is inevitable? Seriously, people are more concerned over the Wizard than the ones behind the curtain.

Wrong in a couple of those cases: you gave the UK and Israel the bomb. That ain't doing nothing, is it?




thompsonx -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/13/2011 7:12:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

What will Obama do if Iran were to get nukes ? That's what we have to worry about right now. I'm thinking he won't do anything.



Iran is a soverign country. Unless you are an iranian, what weapons they have or do not have is none of your business.
Why do you feel that the u.s. has a right to tell another soverign nation how to run their country?




thompsonx -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/13/2011 7:17:22 AM)

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He's not exactly a "man's man" is he?


What exactly is a "man's man"????
Is that the centerfold in a gay men's magazine?
Unles you also did not get the memo: obl is dead on direct orders from the "not a man's man"




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/13/2011 7:18:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

If this question is asked of republican nominees, why not ask our president the same question ? I'm curious to know what he would do.


I don't think you need to ask Obama, when  you can see what he is doing and draw your own conclusions.



Yes. Appeasement being the operative word.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/13/2011 7:19:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: hlen5


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: BanthaSamantha

Let's keep psychic powers out of the political discussion.

Fair enough.

We're in deep shit no matter who wins. If it's Obama, nothing will change. If it's a Republican, things will get worse.

How's that?

K.



Such a sunny outlook!![;)]


He cant see the sun through those glasses that can only see blue.




slvemike4u -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/13/2011 7:23:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Perry has me longing for the genius of a Palin...the man makes absolutely o sense.Bachman comes off as intelligent after a Perry ramble.


And Herman Cain makes Obama look like a whiney little schoolboy after someone took his lunch money.
And the U.S. doesn't need to do anything about Iran, if anything is going to be "done" about Iran let the Europeans and Israel handle it.
Let's sit this one out. We should be able to depend on our allies to get things done.

So you will not be voting for any of those who would take us to war,or sanction assassinations over this ?




Moonhead -> RE: Romney and Gingrich would go to war in Iran (11/13/2011 7:24:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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He's not exactly a "man's man" is he?


What exactly is a "man's man"????

Presumably in this context a "man's man" is somebody who went awol from the national guard and is too much of a pussy to unwind with a quiet drink of an evening...




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