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FirstQuaker -> Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/12/2011 9:07:58 PM)
Nice to see the EUropeans taking the gloves off and showing the true face of Brussels - Eurozone turmoil: Enter the technocrats quote: Another response involves the surgical removal of elected leaders in Greece and Italy and their replacement with technocratic experts, trusted within the EU to pass economic reforms deemed appropriate by policymakers in Berlin, the bloc’s top paymaster, and at EU headquarters in Brussels. Europe this week prised open the lid of the dustbin of history to accommodate Mr Papandreou, Greece’s Socialist prime minister since October 2009, and Mr Berlusconi, the billionaire who has dominated Italian politics since 1994. The sidelining of elected politicians in the continent that exported democracy to the world was, in its way, as momentous a development as this week’s debt market turmoil. In effect, eurozone policymakers have decided to suspend politics as normal in two countries because they judge it to be a mortal threat to Europe’s monetary union. They have ruled that European unity, a project more than 50 years in the making, is of such overriding importance that politicians accountable to the people must give way to unelected experts who can keep the show on the road. But not surprising when even the communists in China denounce the EUropean nations (who all slap themselves and each other on the back as true socialists) as failed welfare states - quote: Jin Liqun, supervisory board chairman of China Investment Corporation, a sovereign wealth fund with $410bn in assets under management, bluntly told Al Jazeera television: “If you look at the troubles which have happened in European societies, this is purely because of the accumulated troubles of the worn-out welfare society. The labour laws induce sloth and indolence rather than hard work.” So what EUropean country will be the next for the EUrocrats to bloodlessly take over, and install their mandarins as the rulers of, in furtherance of the ascendancy of 4th Reich?

Termyn8or -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/12/2011 9:16:32 PM)
What do you think is going to happen ? T^T

wittynamehere -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/12/2011 9:21:04 PM)
Centralization of power and resources, for one thing.

FirstQuaker -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/12/2011 9:26:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or What do you think is going to happen ? T^T Oh the writing is on the wall. Combined with their upcoming recessions, and the massive social upheavals and economic failings they will have going on across the EUrozone in the next decade, it is a shoein they will be playing carrot and stick with the EUropean peasants. If you don't control your own nations military, judicial system or economy, your credibility as a government is pretty well shot, and Brussels can pretty well put anyone in Europe in that position. Here is a smaple from the UK's point of view - Britain faces new isolation threat from eurozone 'caucus' I think they will pick one EUropean country to "kill the chicken to educate the moneys" with myself, probably one of the hangers on, and one big enough to illustrate their point.

tazzygirl -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/12/2011 9:33:18 PM)
~FR It always struck me as odd that those in power would be allowed to live better than the lowest citizen of the country they ruled.

popeye1250 -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/12/2011 10:17:55 PM)
How about that bloody, puss oozing country of Lichtenstein? No need for them. Itally or Portugal will be next to fall. Greece is a 2 nd world country and if they don't get their shit in one seabag they'll be a 3 rd world country.

tazzygirl -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/12/2011 10:28:55 PM)
The Italian PM resigned.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/12/2011 10:33:21 PM)
I wanted to read the article, but the link said I had to be a subscriber. So the European Union has gone beyond just being an economic thing, and will become a political thing. Maybe some countries will consolidate with others. I haven't studied much about the history of the EU, but I imagine the extension into the political was the biggest fear of those who opposed it.

FirstQuaker -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/12/2011 10:42:59 PM)
Sorry about that. Try googling "Enter the Technocrats" and see if you can get the text. http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&source=hp&q=enter+the+technocrats&pbx=1&oq=enter+the+technocrats&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1143l5308l0l6018l21l16l0l4l4l1l391l3665l0.4.9.3l20l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=a686e28799f6b6d7&biw=1024&bih=583

FirstQuaker -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/12/2011 10:48:37 PM)
And an alternative is - Analysis: Brussels takes heavy hand in euro crisis

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/12/2011 10:54:22 PM)
That was really interesting. I do think the next step in all of this, not just in Europe, but also here, will be the consolidation of governments. In Europe, it may involve consolidating countries. Here, on a smaller scale, I think that cities may be looking to consolidate goverments with other cities, or the County. I think there will be less political diversity than we are used to.

FirstQuaker -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/12/2011 11:07:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet That was really interesting. I do think the next step in all of this, not just in Europe, but also here, will be the consolidation of governments. In Europe, it may involve consolidating countries. Here, on a smaller scale, I think that cities may be looking to consolidate goverments with other cities, or the County. I think there will be less political diversity than we are used to. Well, here is the EU Oberfueher himself instructing the British serfs - quote: Barroso's solidarity call, in a commentary for The Observer newspaper, seemed particularly aimed at Britain, where the euro zone debt crisis has fueled an already strong eurosceptic strain. "As we witness fundamental changes to the economic and geopolitical order, Europe needs to advance together or risk fragmentation," Barroso said. "The dynamic of globalisation in financial and economic terms, but also in geopolitical terms, confronts Europeans with a stark choice: live together, share a common destiny and count in the world; or face the prospect of disunity and decline. In this defining moment, we either unite or face irrelevance," he said. Barroso said he hoped that when historians looked back on these times "they will understand that we stepped back from the brink of fragmentation. I hope they will see how the UK fully engaged with fellow member states and institutional partners to ensure the stability of the European Union." quote: Barroso said the crisis had shown that the euro area needed deeper integration of policies and governance. "This is the only way to secure the sustainability of the euro," he said. "And it must come together with a strong focus on generating growth," he said. He said the speed of the 27-nation EU bloc and the 17-nation euro area "can no longer be the speed of the slowest or most reluctant member," implying that Britain must allow other states to forge ahead with closer integration. Unite or risk fragmentation, Barroso tells EU

Politesub53 -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 4:08:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet I haven't studied much about the history of the EU, but I imagine the extension into the political was the biggest fear of those who opposed it. This is spot on, why do you think they told us originally it would just be a "Common Market"

Politesub53 -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 4:25:19 AM)
I doubt the ECB is any different to the IMF, in demanding certain countries take fiscal responsibility before getting a bailout loan. To do otherwise is just throwing good money after bad. Berlusconi and Papandreou handled the current financial crisis badly and had no choice but to resign. The former was mired in controversy over his wrong doings, while the later was inept in his job. As for the Eurozone itself, it will implode in my view and end up back as it was. The EU itself may or may not go the same way, It is feasable it will return to its original aim of being a common market.

Moonhead -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 5:42:40 AM)
The Euro's probably doomed at this point, but it isn't necessarily going to take the EU down with it.

CoreFocus -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 5:50:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker quote: Jin Liqun, supervisory board chairman of China Investment Corporation, a sovereign wealth fund with $410bn in assets under management, bluntly told Al Jazeera television: “If you look at the troubles which have happened in European societies, this is purely because of the accumulated troubles of the worn-out welfare society. The labour laws induce sloth and indolence rather than hard work.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbDeS_mXMnM China should safe it's money. Oh and please stop with all the "Reich" crap.

ColeYote -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 5:59:02 AM)
OP, have you even seen a picture of Europe before? You seem to know less than nothing about it.

Fellow -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 7:22:45 AM)
I would not be worried about China. China has played its cards well: it has let US companies to build strong manufacturing sector, it is a major creditor holding massive amounts of foreign debt and China has strong military force. Notice in the video: the buyer of an apartment is required to pay 50% down and only 3 years mortgage is given. Obviously, there is no major debt problem. Economic problems are ahead (due to falling demand for products as the West is entering depression) but, remember, the population is prepared to survive. The big famines were just a generation ago. Western political-economic structure is in big trouble. Welfare state is a result of the politicians buying votes, acting as a buffer between corporations and the general population. How do you call 50 million Americans surviving on food stamps or food aid of some kind? I do not recall who exactly, but somebody told out the truth: economic depressions last as long as the politicians allow them to last. The current "cure" for debt saturation adding more debt (saving the rich worldwide) is one of the measure to think about.

FirstQuaker -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 1:17:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CoreFocus quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker quote: Jin Liqun, supervisory board chairman of China Investment Corporation, a sovereign wealth fund with $410bn in assets under management, bluntly told Al Jazeera television: “If you look at the troubles which have happened in European societies, this is purely because of the accumulated troubles of the worn-out welfare society. The labour laws induce sloth and indolence rather than hard work.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbDeS_mXMnM China should safe it's money. Oh and please stop with all the "Reich" crap. Maybe you can sue the Germans and the Chinese for insulting your work ethic, perhaps that can pry some money out of them to prop the EUrozone back up. And would you prefer the alternative styling of the EU as the EUSSR?

FirstQuaker -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 1:25:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ColeYote OP, have you even seen a picture of Europe before? You seem to know less than nothing about it. No, neither Canada nor the USAsian schools had a picture of EUrope when I was enrolled in them, we had to use maps in those days. But an academic who specializes in EUrope like you should explain to everyone here what is really going on in the EU. Perhaps an expert like you should go to Ottawa and help poor Steven Harper out with his economic and trade negotiations with the EU, as the wonks claim he has only been able to hand them about 150,000 Canadian manufacturing jobs with his negotiations so far.

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