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FirstQuaker -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 10:02:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Perhaps you should run Ontario with bank appointed mandarins, since that style of government appears to appeal to the lot of you..
And perhaps you should learn to read.


Since you like the EU and think what goes on there is a good thing, why not let some banks appoint the provincial government, if they don't like the budget or the provincial bond yields?  You could probably get on in some sort of supporting staff role. Perfect job for you, and well paid too.


Of course from the left -

Major powers successfully dictate regime change in Greece

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The purpose of the national government is made abundantly clear—to prevent an election or any possibility of the plans of the financial oligarchy being thwarted by popular opposition.

In this, Greece can only be seen as a down payment on what is to come for countries throughout Europe and internationally.
On November 4, the Financial Times identified the next target for regime change. “In God’s name, go!” it proclaimed in another editorial, this time directed at Italian leader Silvio Berlusconi.


And the right -

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None the less, the virtual suspension of the democratic process that euro membership seems increasingly to demand should be viewed with alarm. Legitimacy, it appears, is expendable; the single currency is not. From the start, the march to European unification has always implied an erosion of sovereignty. But we seem to be reaching the point where the diktats of a small policy elite vastly outweigh the decisions of national parliaments.

A particularly unhealthy development is the emergence of the “Frankfurt Group”, a shadowy collection of senior policymakers, to drive through the measures thought necessary to save the euro. Its reported make-up – Angela Merkel, Christine Lagarde, Nicolas Sarkozy, Mario Draghi, José Manuel Barroso, Jean-Claude Juncker, Herman van Rompuy and Olli Rehn, with external powerhouses such as Barack Obama occasionally allowed in by invitation – gives no reason for confidence.

Nothing any of them has done to date has succeeded in stemming the crisis. On the contrary, their actions have often made matters worse. If the definition of madness is to do the same thing repeatedly and expect different outcomes, this collection of latter-day Napoleons would quickly be confined to the asylum. A policy agenda that has consistently failed is scarcely more likely to succeed if pursued more decisively and oppressively through a European equivalent of the Chinese Politburo.


Democracy is being sacrificed in Europe
Obama even seems to approve of this new way of doing things, and shows up when the Eurocrats need a hand.




Arpig -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 10:04:47 PM)

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Since you like the EU and think what goes on there is a good thing, why not let some banks appoint the provincial government, if they don't like the budget or the provincial bond yields? You could probably get on in some sort of supporting staff role. Perfect job for you, and well paid too.
Again, you need to learn to read.




SternSkipper -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 10:13:43 PM)

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Again, you need to learn to read.


OCCUPY ARPIG!




Arpig -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 10:16:55 PM)

I'm down with that, as long as the protesters look like these.... http://hotchicksofoccupywallstreet.tumblr.com/




FirstQuaker -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 10:23:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Since you like the EU and think what goes on there is a good thing, why not let some banks appoint the provincial government, if they don't like the budget or the provincial bond yields? You could probably get on in some sort of supporting staff role. Perfect job for you, and well paid too.
Again, you need to learn to read.


I can read you just fine. Does Ottawa  pay you for "missinformation correcting"? Or is it extracurricular work when you spend your time trying to buff up the EU?

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The next time you post an opinion in an online forum or a Facebook group message board, don't be surprised if you get a rebuttal from a federal employee. The government is looking for ways to monitor online chatter about political issues and correct what it perceives as misinformation.
The move started recently with a pilot project on the East Coast seal hunt. A Toronto-based company called Social Media Group has been hired to help counter some information put forward by the anti-sealing movement.
The Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade has paid the firm $75,000 "to monitor social activity and help identify ... areas where misinformation is being presented and repeated as fact," Simone MacAndrew, a department spokesperson, said in an email.
The firm alerts the government to questionable online comments and then employees in Foreign Affairs or the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, who have recently been trained in online posting, point the authors to information the government considers more accurate.


Only in Ontario.




Arpig -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 10:32:03 PM)

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I can read you just fine.
Obviously not. [:D]




FirstQuaker -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/13/2011 10:49:23 PM)

Looks like OWS is on the EU's case now -

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I realize that the average Fox News viewer thinks that "international" means the next state over, but hopefully people on this site are a little more enlightened. I don't know if anyone noticed, but we have 3 new leaders in Europe this week:
  • Mario Darghi - new head of the ECB, appointed by ????, ex-Vice Chairman and Managing Director of Goldman Sachs International.
  • Lucas Papademos - new Prime Minister of Greek - a position that is supposed to be selected by the citizens of Greece. Appointed by ????. Ex-Goldman Sachs.
  • Mario Monti - new Prime Minister of Italy - a position that is supposed to be selected by the citizens of Italy. Appointed by ????. Current member of the Goldman Sachs board on international advisors.
So, two "democracies" with new Prime Ministers that the voters never cast a single vote for. And both active or past members of Goldman Sachs. And the head of the ECB, one of the most powerful jobs in Europe, also ex-Goldman Sachs.
The only thing that surprises me is that GS are being so blatant in their takeover of Europe. Can it be that they are a lot more worried about the OWS movement than they are pretending to be? I don't know what is more pathetic - this attempt by the 1% to control the 99%, or the deafening silence from the so-called "news media".


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FirstQuaker -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/14/2011 7:41:08 AM)

Bump. because I can.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/14/2011 7:53:11 AM)

All of these people were duly appointed by whoever in those countries had the right to appoint interim successors. So ??? In Italy, for example, is the president of that country. The implication that these appointments violated the constitution of these countries is incorrect.
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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker

Looks like OWS is on the EU's case now -

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I realize that the average Fox News viewer thinks that "international" means the next state over, but hopefully people on this site are a little more enlightened. I don't know if anyone noticed, but we have 3 new leaders in Europe this week:
  • Mario Darghi - new head of the ECB, appointed by ????, ex-Vice Chairman and Managing Director of Goldman Sachs International.
  • Lucas Papademos - new Prime Minister of Greek - a position that is supposed to be selected by the citizens of Greece. Appointed by ????. Ex-Goldman Sachs.
  • Mario Monti - new Prime Minister of Italy - a position that is supposed to be selected by the citizens of Italy. Appointed by ????. Current member of the Goldman Sachs board on international advisors.
So, two "democracies" with new Prime Ministers that the voters never cast a single vote for. And both active or past members of Goldman Sachs. And the head of the ECB, one of the most powerful jobs in Europe, also ex-Goldman Sachs.
The only thing that surprises me is that GS are being so blatant in their takeover of Europe. Can it be that they are a lot more worried about the OWS movement than they are pretending to be? I don't know what is more pathetic - this attempt by the 1% to control the 99%, or the deafening silence from the so-called "news media".


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FirstQuaker -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/14/2011 8:05:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

All of these people were duly appointed by whoever in those countries had the right to appoint interim successors. So ??? In Italy, for example, is the president of that country. The implication that these appointments violated the constitution of these countries is incorrect.
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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker

Looks like OWS is on the EU's case now -

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I realize that the average Fox News viewer thinks that "international" means the next state over, but hopefully people on this site are a little more enlightened. I don't know if anyone noticed, but we have 3 new leaders in Europe this week:
  • Mario Darghi - new head of the ECB, appointed by ????, ex-Vice Chairman and Managing Director of Goldman Sachs International.
  • Lucas Papademos - new Prime Minister of Greek - a position that is supposed to be selected by the citizens of Greece. Appointed by ????. Ex-Goldman Sachs.
  • Mario Monti - new Prime Minister of Italy - a position that is supposed to be selected by the citizens of Italy. Appointed by ????. Current member of the Goldman Sachs board on international advisors.
So, two "democracies" with new Prime Ministers that the voters never cast a single vote for. And both active or past members of Goldman Sachs. And the head of the ECB, one of the most powerful jobs in Europe, also ex-Goldman Sachs.
The only thing that surprises me is that GS are being so blatant in their takeover of Europe. Can it be that they are a lot more worried about the OWS movement than they are pretending to be? I don't know what is more pathetic - this attempt by the 1% to control the 99%, or the deafening silence from the so-called "news media".


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So you have no problem with the locally elected fools being replaced by EU appointed fools?

I suppose this is a new millennium.

Don't worry our infantry will be over sorting this new fascism out soon enough.

How do you think Hitler and Mussolini got in power last time, do you think they just appeared like magic? Better read the press of the time,it was little shyt like this that started adding up, Hitler and Mussolini were world heroes for fixing their countries for a time . . ..

"Mussolini made the trains run on time . . ."

The Americas need to stay out of it this pass, let the animals slaughter each other.




Moonhead -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/14/2011 8:15:34 AM)

Do you have any idea of the political records of the locally elected fools?
If you're talking about Mussolini, Berlusconi is a much better match than the interim scapegoat they've dredged up from the back of his cabinet.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/14/2011 8:23:01 AM)

What I have a problem with is the implication that these appointments were somehow unconstitutional and not done according to the rules of succession in these various countries. They don't appear to be, and I don't think people should evaluate this situation using misinformation. It will start to come out pretty soon what kind of pressure was brought to bear, but to say they were appointed by ??? is just fear mongering.




Moonhead -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/14/2011 8:41:48 AM)

Absolutely. In both cases an elected party leader has resigned and been replaced by a less senior politician from the same parliament. Hardly a coup ushering a fascist takeover, whatever FQ thinks...




FirstQuaker -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/14/2011 8:52:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Do you have any idea of the political records of the locally elected fools?
If you're talking about Mussolini, Berlusconi is a much better match than the interim scapegoat they've dredged up from the back of his cabinet.


You normally act like you have more sense then this.What if the EU tried this on the UK? If you had joined the EUrozone, you would be worse off then the Italians right now, read your financials and see where you would be if some Parliament had you on the EUro..

Suppose they then told the UK to write a new budget and fire Cameron while putting a Eurocrat in his place? And have the Queen over in Brussels in the Eurocourt for not having a good enough budget to suit them? Offered to wreck your economy if you did not comply.

Any normal  men and women would go to Brussels and burn it to the ground in such a case.




HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/14/2011 9:03:20 AM)

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Time to buy stock in Reynolds and Alcan again.




CoreFocus -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/14/2011 11:12:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker



Maybe you can sue the Germans and the Chinese for insulting your work ethic, perhaps that can pry some money out of them to prop the EUrozone back up.

And would you prefer the alternative styling of the EU as the EUSSR?




Just tell me what you want to say..and stop trying to be intellectual.




Moonhead -> RE: Bloodless Coups in the EU (11/14/2011 12:26:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Do you have any idea of the political records of the locally elected fools?
If you're talking about Mussolini, Berlusconi is a much better match than the interim scapegoat they've dredged up from the back of his cabinet.


You normally act like you have more sense then this.What if the EU tried this on the UK? If you had joined the EUrozone, you would be worse off then the Italians right now, read your financials and see where you would be if some Parliament had you on the EUro..

Suppose they then told the UK to write a new budget and fire Cameron while putting a Eurocrat in his place? And have the Queen over in Brussels in the Eurocourt for not having a good enough budget to suit them? Offered to wreck your economy if you did not comply.

Any normal  men and women would go to Brussels and burn it to the ground in such a case.


There's a basic point you're missing here: the UK isn't in the Euro, and with the thing about to crash and burn because there's no mechanism for ejecting deadbeat nations from it, the UK won't ever be in the Euro. The Euro won't be around this time next year if things carry on like this, and it's a fair bet that the EEC will think through what replaces it a bit more carefully. It isn't going to try this on us because we aren't in the single currency. (In this respect, we're ahead of the rest of Europe, who won't be in it either, soon.)

As for Cameron, fuck him with a spikey dildo. I'd much sooner a Eurocrat was running the country than that waste of space. It isn't like the little cunt formed a government because his party won a general election, is it?




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