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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 10:23:38 AM   
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Just skipping past the life history thing... yes, I am concerned about how I appear, but that's not exactly the same as being concerned about my *appearance*, dig? I want to look calm, professional, and approachable to my clients. I do not own a suit--and never will again--but I am always dressed well, am working on at LEAST doing the mascara/lipstick thing, hair as tidy as my hair will allow, all that.

I look in my mirror and despair. I have been advised to get rid of my mirrors. I look at PHOTOGRAPHS of myself and want to apologize to the world at large. Issues? Yes, the whole subscription, thanks. It does NOT help when my friends say "What, you look fine." Well yeah, I look FINE, people dont point at me in the mall anymore, big fucking deal.

Anyway. I'm only vain to a point. I will do things to enhance my appearance, dress so I look my best MOST of the time (I have a few "big" dresses that are STAYING!) stand up straight, wear a good bra, do whatever to be shiny. I deeply hope for the resources for more reconstruction work to patch the old reconstruction, but botox and restlyane are not for me. I dye the grey hair, though!

In other people, they have to be clean, tidy, and reasonably in their weight class. I look at the *expression* first. A beautiful face with a mean or cold expression, and I have no interest.

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 10:29:59 AM   
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I honestly see you as one of the most physically gorgeous women I know, Hibbie.


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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 10:39:52 AM   
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I love you too, Greedy!!

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 10:40:37 AM   
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shall we leave you 2 alone ?

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 10:59:33 AM   
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only if we have a properly yummy male body to get all medieval on!!! LOL

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 11:01:52 AM   
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You called?

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 11:15:19 AM   
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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 11:25:46 AM   
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Wha? Is our Niney prompt or what?

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 11:25:47 AM   
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First, that second video was really funny, and I agree, she was pretty before all the Jersey Girl whoring up.

Now everyone keeps saying, "looks matter," and a person must be "physically attractive." Only a few seem to have the sense to add, "to me," to that last statement.

Look at Irishmist for example (basically because the men she describes can easily be seen as polar opposites). She doesn't find the young Brad Pitt or Leonardo DiCappio (almost wrote, DiCrappio, lol) to be attractive, so exactly how important are those "looks" to her? Meanwhile, take Sam Elliot as Wade Garrett in Roadhouse (c'mon, y'all know you saw it. Eye candy for every type), and he was probably hot as hell to her. Very different looking guys.

Because physical attractiveness is not the same for everyone. Any person here who says they never saw a couple walking hand in hand and thought "how did he/she end up with them?" is full of shit. Because one of those people did not fit our version of "physically attractive."

Are there people who just sit in the butt ugly box for everyone? I'm sure, but probably not as many as most would think.

How someone presents themselves means a great deal. There was a television series, "Franklin and Bash." Funny show about lawyers. One episode had this "plain jane," not a size zero girl who came to file a wrongful termination suit because she was "too pretty." Of course, the person who fired her was modelesque. Plain Jane's carriage of herself like the prettiest girl in the room had guys flocking to her. Yes, it is Hollywood, not real life, but real is not much different.

There is a difference with ethnicity as well. White women tend to envy that Kate Moss look a lot more than Black women. Latino women don't seem to care if their spandex is a size 2 or size 20, they are wearing it and sure they look great. Of course, there are exceptions to that, but they are exceptions.

How do I feel about my looks? Depends on the day. I have good days and bad days. But I also know that when I clean up good.

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 11:35:47 AM   
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I've BEEN the girl that folks say "why the fuck is he with HER?? She's ugly!/not arm candy/etc" about. Several times. Obviously, the guys I was with at those times found SOMETHING about me that was appealing, and as they all said at some point or another, it was as I said earlier: the longer they knew me, the better they got to know me, the more attractive I was to them..

a couple of the guys said what got them about me wasnt so much my looks as it was my sense of humor/intelligence/and such. There was SOme physical attraction, obviously (and, tbh, I think it was that I found THE GUY attractive, and let them know that).

oh, and I have a great ass ;)

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 12:27:58 PM   
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quote:

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Now everyone keeps saying, "looks matter," and a person must be "physically attractive." Only a few seem to have the sense to add, "to me," to that last statement.

even tho few added the "to me" part, imo its a given whether said or not.. Until people start naming names, no one really has a clue what the word "attractive" means to someone else..

Its a case by case basis for me, its more than a good head of hair,. its facial features too.. i like a rugged look (but not biker! lol). A masculine face, not a feminine one..

but someone who might not be that attractive at first can make me fall in love with him (he's gotta have hair tho lol).. the Dom i was involved with did that.. so it can happen with me..

that all said, we have to be very compatible in most important areas or no matter how attractive the guy might be.. it aint gonna happen..

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 12:42:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
Hmm. The THEN me was also the one that was concerned about how I appeared (physically) to others!

(not saying ANY of that applies to anyone else.. just something I twigged to just now about myself...)

thats funny,.. cuz the "then" me was less concerned about how i looked, yes, i wore some make-up and all that but i could have fallen off the back of a turnip truck and still had guys cat calling at me (which i absolutely hated).. the now me is very concerned about how i look! Part of it is knowing i have to take care of myself to live a long life, part of it is i want to look good for me, of course part is to attract a good mate (preferably life-long).. To do that, to look the way i want to look.. its very expensive.. (sigh)

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 12:47:32 PM   
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yeah, I could have as well (and I still do).

I dont give a rats ass about how I look to others at this point. *I* am satisfied with how I look to me. If someone else isnt.. not my issue. as I said.,. accept me as I am now.. let me blopw your mind with how I can doll up later op\n :)

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 12:49:50 PM   
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I concur! it is a thing of great beauty.
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

I've BEEN the girl that folks say "why the fuck is he with HER?? She's ugly!/not arm candy/etc" about. Several times. Obviously, the guys I was with at those times found SOMETHING about me that was appealing, and as they all said at some point or another, it was as I said earlier: the longer they knew me, the better they got to know me, the more attractive I was to them..

a couple of the guys said what got them about me wasnt so much my looks as it was my sense of humor/intelligence/and such. There was SOme physical attraction, obviously (and, tbh, I think it was that I found THE GUY attractive, and let them know that).

oh, and I have a great ass ;)



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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 1:11:48 PM   
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sweet talker ;)

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 1:21:29 PM   
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I am a suave mofo!

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 1:36:01 PM   
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yes. yes you are!

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 2:14:55 PM   
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i haven't looked at the links yet, but i'm gonna respond anyway.

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How much do you want your looks to matter to people you meet?

Not much. If i were hot chick, i might feel differently, but i like to believe i wouldn't. When i was little i used to feel really bad about not being pretty. i still feel that way sometimes, but other times i feel like i lucked out. Pretty people often don't know who their friends are, and i never doubt. Probably would have done something for my self esteem, though. It's more like: i wish i lived in a society where looks didn't matter so much, rather than i really wish other people thought i was pretty.

You want your partner to be attracted to you, but not to the point where they would leave you if you were disfigured, or as the natural aging process takes a toll -- how do you determine the balance?

Pick people who are attracted by a wide variety of looks, and not just one.

Have you ever found yourself associating something negative with an unrelated yet undesirable physical attribute?

i don't think so, not consciously at any rate. Unless you consider being uncoordinated to be a physical attribute. i do tend to associate lack of coordination with lack of intelligence. For the rest, i don't think so. Actually, i think i'm far more likely to make the opposite mistake, and make negative judgements against people who are dressed too well, or are too good looking.

Do you think there is a difference between the genders in the way this comes out? Like you hear "well men are visual creatures," but I've known plenty of very appearance-minded women who say that looks don't matter to them, and yet they do. I'm not sure there's all that much of a difference, really.

Oh, i think there is. i believe that men have a stronger visual component to their sex drive.

The majority of people aren't the top 1% of super attractiveness, I think it's okay to accept that about yourself, but like the first article says, people do swoop in to "rescue" you from that kind of thinking -- that somehow thinking you may not be the hottest thing on the block is wrong and destructive to you, even if you really aren't. It doesn't mean you aren't still awesome. =p

That's what bothers me about ultimate makeovers, What Not to Wear, etc. The implication that if you're not good looking, there's something wrong with you, and you really need to do something about it.


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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 2:28:00 PM   
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I love "What Not to Wear." I don't watch makeover shows per se, but that show has a little more depth to it, I think. Very often, the woman (or man, sometimes) has lost herself and is truly not comfortable in her body anymore. She hides behind inappropriate clothing for events such as business meetings, or even just a normal workday. Often, these women hide behind giant tents of fabric or are whoring themselves up because they don't know any other way to feel pretty. They show women how to feel their best with the body and looks they have, and to accept and love themselves for the beauty that they already are.

Yeah....I love the show. I don't watch it much anymore - not sure if it's even still on - but I used to watch it religiously.

I will admit....I once paid $300 for a haircut from Nick, the man who used to cut the hair on that show. (With tip and other services, came to a $400 haircut.) It was a fun day, though, with my mom and sister in the city. But...ridiculous.

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RE: Looks - 11/14/2011 2:30:19 PM   
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quote:

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I love "What Not to Wear." I don't watch makeover shows per se, but that show has a little more depth to it, I think.


Oh, it does, i know that. i confess i like the show, too. But it also bothers me.

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