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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 1:48:46 PM   
Winterapple


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Status: offline 		I agree. Just the idea of it seems to drive some
crazy. The emotions behind it seem to be
embarassment or repugnance. I wonder how
many nursing women they have actually
encountered?
Women in swimsuits, halter tops and
see through blouses show more bare
breast than any nursing mother than
I've ever seen.
I don't understand how a nursing mother
lowers the dignity of a courtroom.
I cannot fathom comparing nursing a baby
to defecating, masturbating, smoking
a cigarette or any of the other things it's
been compared to.
Depending on the degree of the overeation
I think it comes down to more or less
two things.
Lip pursing, sphincter tightening 'tis not
decent' prudery.
A deep seated fear and loathing of womens
bodies in some men and internalized
self loathing by some women rooted in
the belief that womens bodies are icky
and messy, oozing milk, expelling blood
and stinking to high heaven with their
fishy odors.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 1:59:48 PM   
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If I were the judge in the OP, I wouldn't count on getting an endorsement from his local Women Lawyer's chapter when it comes time for him to get reelected. 




as an aside did you ever notice that supreme court mobsters are not elected by the people?

there should be one elected judge on the US supreme court representing each county in the nation for the commercial side and fucking statism should be completely abolished, common law supreme, and juries in chancery mandatory and nondemoninational ecclesiastical courts put back into place, because these commercial fuckers simply take jurisdiction regardless if it is legitimate or not.

thatll fix their fucking clocks right!!!!


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:04:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet
If I were the judge in the OP, I wouldn't count on getting an endorsement from his local Women Lawyer's chapter when it comes time for him to get reelected. 




as an aside did you ever notice that supreme court mobsters are not elected by the people?

there should be one elected judge on the US supreme court representing each county in the nation for the commercial side and fucking statism should be completely abolished, common law supreme, and juries in chancery mandatory and nondemoninational ecclesiastical courts put back into place, because these commercial fuckers simply take jurisdiction regardless if it is legitimate or not.

thatll fix their fucking clocks right!!!!



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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:05:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Winterapple

I agree. Just the idea of it seems to drive some
crazy. The emotions behind it seem to be
embarassment or repugnance. I wonder how
many nursing women they have actually
encountered?
Women in swimsuits, halter tops and
see through blouses show more bare
breast than any nursing mother than
I've ever seen.
I don't understand how a nursing mother
lowers the dignity of a courtroom.
I cannot fathom comparing nursing a baby
to defecating, masturbating, smoking
a cigarette or any of the other things it's
been compared to.
Depending on the degree of the overeation
I think it comes down to more or less
two things.
Lip pursing, sphincter tightening 'tis not
decent' prudery.
A deep seated fear and loathing of womens
bodies in some men and internalized
self loathing by some women rooted in
the belief that womens bodies are icky
and messy, oozing milk, expelling blood
and stinking to high heaven with their
fishy odors.



I truly have NO idea. I have some half thought-out ponderings but no-one has ever managed to so much as splutter out what it is that they find so repellant or why they feel that way.

In reverse, people that have no such repugnance are perfectly happy to explain and expand on why they feel the way they do. It's quite a striking difference.

You may well be correct in your summing up there and possibly that might explain why there's a reluctance to bare their thoughts.

agirl






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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:11:38 PM   
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I waver back and forth between which produces the worse result:  Unelected judges appointed for life, or elected judges who are voted in by the public, who has no idea about the court system or the individual candidate. 



once upon a long time ago there used to be such a thing called a court Master.  his funtion was to insure court procedure was correct and you can find old supreme court cases with a presiding court master.

the checks and balances have been abolished.  that is the problem.  only a fool would thing that the so called branches of government here in the US are separated any differently than purchasing, personnel, and the board of directors of IBM corporation.

The problem is all governments end up being mob controlled because anyone who goes up against them gets dead or busted down to the shorts or jailed to keep them quiet.

Look at any tax protestor who wrote a book about it in the US, they found and or CREATED a way to put them away.

The only way to avoid that is to have a system that these assholes can be fired on the spot and and re-elected to do what we the people want, not we the People want to push on our asses.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:20:43 PM   
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DM - bad manners. Noted.


"Mild" manners compared to many of the "new moms" I've seen around here. As I said before, the willingness to breastfeed in inappropriate places is only the beginning.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:22:14 PM   
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Please show me where it says you have the RIGHT to not be subjected to (oh horror of horrors!) breastfeeding. Oh and who is forcing you to look instead of just turning your head?


Just as soon as you show me the "right" that is invoked when people sanitize the TV broadcasts and radio airwaves due to their own sensibilities. If they can sanitize things that I watch because of their beliefs, I can demand not to see someone breastfeeding in inappropriate places.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:23:25 PM   
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LOL.... You could do a tap dance at the same time and it wouldn't have unsettled me in the least. People behave foolishly and are rude at times. I can cope with that and I excuse people that know no better. My husband would probably have invited you to take a closer look.


That's fine. But that's not true of everyone.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:25:42 PM   
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get the fuck out of here.


More drivel and half-assed attempts to pretend to know the law, hmmm? Typical of someone like you.

How about *you* get the fuck out of here?

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:27:43 PM   
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Depending on how far you take that... again you don't have that right.
That could be considered sexual harassment under the law, and you may be arrested for it.


Bullshit. Don't come at me with lame-ass sexual harassment bullshit. We're not talking about in the work place here. We're talking about two strangers in public. And if she's in public and I'm in public, I can look or stare at whatever I want. Don't want to be stared at? Don't do it in public.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:28:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

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ORIGINAL: Rule
DM - bad manners. Noted.


"Mild" manners compared to many of the "new moms" I've seen around here. As I said before, the willingness to breastfeed in inappropriate places is only the beginning.



I, for one, am not a *new mother* as my oldest child is 30 and my youngest  17yrs.

  Maybe you could be the first person to actually say and describe what it is about breastfeeding outside of the home that offends you........without linking it to any other subject.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:30:40 PM   
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fuck you and your entitled ass.


I think you mean the entitled ass of the single mothers who seem to believe it's their right to squat out kids they can't afford and then expect the world to bend around them.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:32:54 PM   
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I'm nothing like as clued up as you are and know very little about the USA political system. I admit that there are many times, over the years, that I've been glad that I happen to live here.

I am not aware of all of my rights, because I've never had to be. When I need to be, we have this nifty place called the Citizen's Advice Bureau. It's a free service and they are amazingly helpful. They will write letters on your behalf and follow-up your case. It's an invaluable service that anyone can use.

I think perhaps our system is more readily available in a comprehensive way as we are a small island and a bit more cohesive.

I thought it was quite interesting that the Senior Judge said that it *wasn't a story* and that the *information age* was to blame. I could be wrong, but it sparked the thought that what he really meant was that it was annoying that it was no longer quite as easy to be impolite to people in court....lol

agirl




there used to be a gal who posted here from the uk who worked in legal.  your laws are much like ours now days.  If they statized the common law then that means they created a system to circumvent it as they did here and you now come under contract, but it will only be recognised if they control the contract.

The second they figure out you are on to them they start to "construe".

There is no difference between subject and citizen.  Both are subjects of a "sovereign", but at least you know whos head to chop off we have none.







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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:34:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: agirl
LOL.... You could do a tap dance at the same time and it wouldn't have unsettled me in the least. People behave foolishly and are rude at times. I can cope with that and I excuse people that know no better. My husband would probably have invited you to take a closer look.


That's fine. But that's not true of everyone.


I'm sure it's not and it would be a pity in their case. I'm well aware that some people are meek and rather shy and faced with rude and obnoxious people WOULD be upset by it.

This will give you the upperhand and I'm sure that it would please you to have your silly bullying tactics work so well.

The difference is that a lady quietly nursing has not set out to deliberately offend you. YOU, on the otherhand would have.

I'm afraid that you have been silly throughout this thread.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:35:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm glad that children are not allowed in the courtrooms where I live. And the courts seem to be more civilized as well, compared to descriptions of others. There is no chaos, there is no commotion, nothing of the sort.

But then we would be arguing appropriateness of children in the courtroom, instead of appropriateness of the woman's actions and the judge's actions.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:36:17 PM   
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Maybe you could be the first person to actually say and describe what it is about breastfeeding outside of the home that offends you........without linking it to any other subject.


I believe I already have. However you, as well as others, have selective reading and only read the bits you want to reply to.

Many "new moms" today believe the world should bend for *them*. Be it by way of welfare, or things like dragging their spawn to a movie where it can disrupt it for all the other moviegoers or dragging it to a restaurant where 90% of the people are just looking for a quiet meal and instead have to watch a kid throw a fit because the mother won't do anything about it. It all starts with breastfeeding at inappropriate times. If they are willing to "whip it out" without regard to others and their sensibilities, then they are automatically willing to drag it to a movie or a restaurant and ruin countless other people's nights. Do you think it's healthy for the kid to be toted around like a handbag everywhere?

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:36:38 PM   
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I'm glad that children are not allowed in the courtrooms where I live. And the courts seem to be more civilized as well, compared to descriptions of others. There is no chaos, there is no commotion, nothing of the sort.

But then we would be arguing appropriateness of children in the courtroom, instead of appropriateness of the woman's actions and the judge's actions.

Cali



Only babies, and children over 14yrs are allowed in court in the UK.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:38:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule
DM - bad manners. Noted.


"Mild" manners compared to many of the "new moms" I've seen around here. As I said before, the willingness to breastfeed in inappropriate places is only the beginning.



Next thing you know one of those horridly rude and crass, must be single, new moms will squat out her baby into your immaculate lap.

Now THAT would be just a tad.........messy.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:38:14 PM   
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The difference is that a lady quietly nursing has not set out to deliberately offend you. YOU, on the otherhand would have.


Me personally? No. But it's like the stats for car wrecks between men and women. The stats are inherently flawed because they don't take into consideration the wrecks the careless women drivers cause, but are not involved in. Same thing here. They whip it out without regard for others. It's that lack of consideration towards others that offends me.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 2:38:53 PM   
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