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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 8:11:09 AM   
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Arienos, I DO live in the US


Above are the operative words, it is the judge’s court room and he or she as judge is charged with maintaining and orderly disciplined court room to practice the arts of both the defense and precaution. He or she rules as to conduct and behavior in his or her court room, nothing more needs to be or has to be said, it’s a matter of law.
The judge is held accountable to standards, not to the whims and opinions of a non court room savvy populace, jail house lawyers and non-United States Citizens.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 8:24:24 AM   
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OMFG the shock of it all!

Well what if looking at you is shocking to me, I think you should be kept at home and out of my sight to portect my sensibilities!


So you have nothing real to add, you just want to add sarcasm and a half-assed attempt at an insult. Nice. Expected though. Try to be more original please.

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yeh its called fucking rights.

Not legislated asswipe demobcracy bullshit "privileges", RIGHTS.

She has the right to feed her baby any damn way she wants to and you have no fucking right to violate her right to do so.  PERIOD!


And I have the RIGHT not to be subjected to it. Not a "privilege" a RIGHT. 




Did the action trespass on YOUR property?   NO

Was your property damaged in ANY way what so ever?  NO

Sorry son there is no injury in property or person judgment for the defendant plus costs!




get the fuck out of here.




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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 8:32:22 AM   
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He said it was "MY law"

If that doesn't disturb you then I guess the steroids have started affecting your brain.

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If you are unhappy with living in the United States
I'm not, I don't live in the U.S. Clearly the question regarding the effect of the steroids has been resolved.



My really huge issue is that his boss has already refused to hear the case from the woman's complaint if it comes before him.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 8:33:39 AM   
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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 8:35:07 AM   
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Arienos, I DO live in the US


Above are the operative words, it is the judge’s court room

No it is not the judge is a share holder in the MOBocacy State and has equal ownership share as anyone else within the county.

that court room is just as much mine as it is his. period.

and he or she as judge is charged with maintaining and orderly disciplined court

That is the sheriffs job, the judge is a referee whos job it is to insure the plaintif does not railroad the defendent and maintain ORDERLY PROCEEDINGS IN ACCORD WITH LAW. 

room to practice the arts of both the defense and precaution. He or she rules as to conduct and behavior in his or her court room, <--theres that tv land judge judy bullshit again. nothing more needs to be or has to be said, it’s a matter of law.
No its not a matter of law its a matter of privilege.
The judge is held accountable to standards, not to the whims and opinions of a non court room savvy populace, (cough) jail house lawyers (cough) and non-United States Citizens. (triple cough)



Take about 10 years off of your job and start studyuing and turn off judge judy.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 8:37:51 AM   
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Please show me where it says you have the RIGHT to not be subjected to (oh horror of horrors!) breastfeeding. Oh and who is forcing you to look instead of just turning your head?


You can engage in contempt of the judge’s decision and/or the court systems in the United States or even express your perception of legally right or wrong but the judge is charged with a higher order, not just the letter of the law and court room theatrics planned to disrupt and deceive as obviously as they were in this case... will not be allowed in most court rooms in the United States.


Fire was making a different point to a different post and she wasn't referring to the court at all.

If I KNEW full well that breastfeeding wasn't allowed in court, I'd have let someone know that as I had my infant with me, I may have to pop out if he needed feeding during my wait and I'd enlist the staff to let me know if I was called.

If I DIDN'T know that breastfeeding wasn't allowed, I would probably have done what this lady did.

If I WAS unaware, I'd expect someone to let me know in a discreet and polite manner. I would NOT expect to be asked a sarcastic question such as * Do you think that's appropriate?* (if indeed he was referring to the feeding*). I would expect a member of staff to slip beside me and discreetly say something along the lines of *Breastfeeding isn't allowed in here, but if you follow me, I'll find you a spot where you can feed your little one*.

Now, I know little to nothing about the courts in the USA but having recently attended Magistrates Court and Crown Court here, the level of respect and politeness by all court staff was exemplary. Our council was a QC and also a judge himself and it's inconceivable to imagine him behaving in such an unnecessarily impolite manner.

Is this not the way polite, considerate people treat each other?

But this is the UK.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 8:40:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

The judge's words from tazzy's article:
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This is my court, my law and I do

Hopefully I am not the only one who finds this "inappropriate" in the extreme.



actually it is subject to a tort, and criminal violation of trust.

These asswipes rule the country and they know it and make sure they stick up and sandpaper our asses with it every chance they get dont they.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 8:42:29 AM   
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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 8:48:44 AM   
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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 8:54:41 AM   
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Euhm... no... you don't have that right.
That was established when it was officially made legal for a woman to breastfeed in public.

The fact it's legal makes it her right to do so.
And it also makes that if she CHOOSES not to subject you to it, she is doing you a favor.


Fine. Then I will exercise my *right* to stare at her chest and lick my lips the entire time she's doing it. Distract? Unsettling? Too bad. Don't look at me.



Depending on how far you take that... again you don't have that right.
That could be considered sexual harassment under the law, and you may be arrested for it.

It seems you have a lot of trouble differentiating between what is a right and what is not.

She has the right to breastfeed because it's been determined under the law that she has that right.
You don't have the right, not even the privilege to sexually harass her, because it's been determined under the law that such is illegal.

Besides that, you won't even see anything, considering that everything would be covered up.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 8:56:18 AM   
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My only remark was that DarqueMirror does NOT have the right to not be subjected to a perfectly legal activity.


Smoking is "perfectly legal" and yet there are rules now where people can light up. Just as there were apparently rules in this judge's courtroom where the woman could and could not breastfeed.




Smoking inside a public building is NOT "perfectly legal". Smoking inside a public building is ILLEGAL.

Breastfeeding inside a public building is LEGAL. Whether or not breastfeeding will be allowed in a courtroom is up to the judge in question. There are no rules that state that breastfeeding inside a courtroom is illegal, therefore, it's not the same as smoking inside a courtroom, against which there are very clear legal rules.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 9:01:09 AM   
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Just pointing out the exception to the general rule.

If courts do not want breastfeeding mothers to feed in their court, such a sign could be employed.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 9:03:02 AM   
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"She has the right to feed her baby any damn way she wants to and you have no fucking right to violate her right to do so. PERIOD! "

Nope. People do not have the right to eat at any time they choose. When you are in a business meeting, which is what a court hearing or trial really is you don't fuck around. These asshole bitches bring thier kids into court as a fuckig shield to not get thrown in jail. Sometimes the court will arrest the cunt, but it is a big pain in the ass and the cunt know it. (cunt is it's own plural like fish)

You are allowed to take a piss or shit, but not in court, not at the grocery store or the mall. Since a Woman's breast is viewed as a sex object or organ, you can't have it in public like that. OK there are nude statues down at the museum, but you are not REQUIRED to walk in there and when you do, you know what to expect.

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you of all people should kow that rights are declared, PRIVILEGES are GRANTED.

No one can give or grant to me a right.

They can grant to me property at which time of my acceptance becomes mine at which time I am now claim the right of al od, but before that I had no right to set foot on it with out a grant privilege to do so.



There is that word again.

ALLOWED.

I can do whatever the hell I damn well please, and except for contempt of the proceeding at hand a legitimate court is not a judge judy comedy show, (cough).

These asswipe judges assume authority NOT GRANTED to them and failure to timely OBJECT and challenge them on every fucking overstepping of their LEGITIMATE authority now dominates the contract and because you failed to recognise what was going on in that "COMMERCIAL" U.S. court they just used your ass to mop the floor and pad their retirement.


You full well know or should know that "PRIVILEGES" and "IMMUNITIES" are granted by the sovereign, and for what purpose?   "TO CIRCUMVENT THE COMMON LAW" in the case of the US that is the constitution, hence you consented by contract and by your consent to THEIR contract you now give up your RIGHTS in exchange for the protection of the PRIVILEGES  GRANTED by the UNITED STATES corporate POLICY and from thence forward you are SUBJECT to the jurisdiction thereof. 

At which time you are not ALLOWED, because your BOSS, the one who now owns your ass said you cant and you agreed by contract.






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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 9:03:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

The judge's words from tazzy's article:
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This is my court, my law and I do

Hopefully I am not the only one who finds this "inappropriate" in the extreme.


Yes, but it's also typical.
Judges behave as if they are god in their own courtroom.
They very frequently behave completely inappropriate and get away with it because they're a judge in their own courtroom.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 9:12:49 AM   
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Depends on the state, Ishtarr, about the illegality of smoking. We have bars here that are legally allowed to have smoking inside. It must display a prominent sign to the public. And, I believe, the majority of their sales cannot come from food. Other than that, you are correct.

Just pointing out the exception to the general rule.

If courts do not want breastfeeding mothers to feed in their court, such a sign could be employed.


Thanks tazzy, I didn't know that there where still exceptions left in the US.

And yes, considering that there is nothing that states that breastfeeding in court is illegal, and it's solely up to the judge, they could hang up a sign to state that it wouldn't be allowed.

However, something like putting on make up, or brushing your hair, or polishing your shoes a judge most likely wouldn't allow in their courtroom either, and they can't hang up a sign for everything, which is why I've previously stated that in such a situation I would have stepped outside myself, whether that's right or not.

Judges LOVE playing god and proving they can make up and enforce arbitrary rules, and I have no interest in unnecessarily provoking them.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 9:20:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

The judge's words from tazzy's article:
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This is my court, my law and I do

Hopefully I am not the only one who finds this "inappropriate" in the extreme.


Yes, but it's also typical.
Judges are God in their own courtroom.
They very frequently behave completely inappropriate and get away with it because they're a judge in their own courtroom.



the plaintif creates HIS court!  not the judge, that goes back to the beginning of time in england and will never change.

Look up art 24 paecipe, no freeman can be denied HIS court or jury of HIS peers.


In the US the crooked bastards said we will just "CONSTRUE" peers to mean "SUBJECT-CITIZENS" UNDER OUR CONTROL!

(then tell them how to judge the case)

think about that!




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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 9:22:43 AM   
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And yes, considering that there is nothing that states that breastfeeding in court is illegal, and it's solely up to the judge, they could hang up a sign to state that it wouldn't be allowed.



The judge DOES NOT OWN that property! 

He has no LEGITIMATE authority to make any such claim!

I could put up a sign right over the top of his that says breastfeeding allowed.   Now what?

If I paid one cent of taxes ever in my life I am now by the contract am an equal SHAREHOLDER in the ownership of that property, hence it now requires a statute or that judge is in violation of his office and subject to tort and criminal proceedings as such.

Do you advocate judges creating law from the bench which is outside their granted authority or didnt you realize that is what that would be?

(when people act and think like slaves trust me THEY WILL BE treated like slaves!!!)





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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 9:40:13 AM   
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If I KNEW full well that breastfeeding wasn't allowed in court, I'd have let someone know that as I had my infant with me, I may have to pop out if he needed feeding during my wait and I'd enlist the staff to let me know if I was called.

If I DIDN'T know that breastfeeding wasn't allowed, I would probably have done what this lady did.





the greater issue here is who has the right?  the man or woman or the "Corporate State"?

For whatever reasons those lines keep inching toward the State when it is the men and women who created the State, if you catch my drift.








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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 10:02:51 AM   
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And yes, considering that there is nothing that states that breastfeeding in court is illegal, and it's solely up to the judge, they could hang up a sign to state that it wouldn't be allowed.



The judge DOES NOT OWN that property! 

He has no LEGITIMATE authority to make any such claim!

I could put up a sign right over the top of his that says breastfeeding allowed.   Now what?

If I paid one cent of taxes ever in my life I am now by the contract am an equal SHAREHOLDER in the ownership of that property, hence it now requires a statute or that judge is in violation of his office and subject to tort and criminal proceedings as such.

Do you advocate judges creating law from the bench which is outside their granted authority or didnt you realize that is what that would be?

(when people act and think like slaves trust me THEY WILL BE treated like slaves!!!)






I'm by NO MEANS saying that a judge should be allowed to decide over such things. I don't think they should.
But then again, I also think that most of the times I've seen somebody be held in contempt was purely criminal behavior on the judge's part.

I agree that is should be a woman's right to breastfeed in court -if breastfeeding in public is legal- but I at the same time realize that it doesn't work that way.
What should and shouldn't be the case rarely applies when a judge decides to play god in his own courtroom.
I would therefore always go from the assumption that he'll take things in a worst case scenario, and wouldn't breastfeed in court myself.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/17/2011 10:32:47 AM   
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There's so much anger and bitterness in this thread, and I'm not entirely sure why.


For whatever reason every thread that treads into public breast feeding seems to be very contentious.
People have very strong opinions on the rightness of it.
And my bias is I don't understand those who speak out so strongly against it that the solutions they offer are using a public restroom, bottle feeding or simply staying home.




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