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so the fuck what? Imo the majority of businesses in the US pay the tax they are legally required to.

Fact and opinion often vary

You said "vitually no corporation pays anything near even 10%.. With one example i disproved that..

Of the many corpoations in this country you cited one example(a better one would have been walmart).I cited one to counter your example and pointed out that that my example is somehwat of a bigger player. We can continue trading one for one or you could disabuse yourself of your ignorance by doing a bit of research.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Shame, I had such high hopes

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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so the fuck what? Imo the majority of businesses in the US pay the tax they are legally required to.

Fact and opinion often vary

You said "vitually no corporation pays anything near even 10%.. With one example i disproved that..

Of the many corpoations in this country you cited one example(a better one would have been walmart).I cited one to counter your example and pointed out that that my example is somehwat of a bigger player. We can continue trading one for one or you could disabuse yourself of your ignorance by doing a bit of research.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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so the fuck what? Imo the majority of businesses in the US pay the tax they are legally required to.

Fact and opinion often vary

You said "vitually no corporation pays anything near even 10%.. With one example i disproved that..

Of the many corpoations in this country you cited one example(a better one would have been walmart).I cited one to counter your example and pointed out that that my example is somehwat of a bigger player. We can continue trading one for one or you could disabuse yourself of your ignorance by doing a bit of research.

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Tax structure problems aside, what might be the answer to reigniting a spirit of true entrepeneurship and innovation here in the States?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Tax structure problems aside, what might be the answer to reigniting a spirit of true entrepeneurship and innovation here in the States?

Outlaw corporations.
Outlaw capitalism.
These two things would allow free enterprise, and entrepenurship to flourish. I see no lack of innovation.
I get this in the email every day and it is filled with innovation.

http://www.gizmag.com/solid-gray-backpack/20495/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=eafc4271e5-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email

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ORIGINAL: hlen5

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Shame, I had such high hopes

I'm not really sure what you mean, but I'm vaguely flattered!

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Between the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world,

This is intellectual dishonesty. You are a regular poster here and have been informed many times that while the tax rate is high virtually no corporation pays anything near even ten percent. and many pay nothing.

Taxes raised by the government come from somewhere... Or is it the so called 1% who are footing the entire bill?


the regulatory agencies like the EPA

Do you think it is ok to dump toxic waste into the environment?
No, but I do believe the EPA goes way too far under their mandate.

& OSHA,
Do you believe that stairways should not have hand rails or that punch presses should not have tamper-proof safety handles?
I think people shouldn't have to be regulated to work smarter or safer, but a lot of people are stupid, therefore work for unions, they need some kind of job security


and Unions,

Do you feel that there should be a limit on how much money someone can be paid?
You and the OWS folks certainly do, or you wouldn't be whining about how much a CEO makes.

who would want to bring their business here?
Those who want to make money.
How's that working out for the 9+% unemployed?

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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so the fuck what? Imo the majority of businesses in the US pay the tax they are legally required to.

Fact and opinion often vary

You said "vitually no corporation pays anything near even 10%.. With one example i disproved that..

Of the many corpoations in this country you cited one example(a better one would have been walmart).I cited one to counter your example and pointed out that that my example is somehwat of a bigger player. We can continue trading one for one or you could disabuse yourself of your ignorance by doing a bit of research.

you have been disproven,


I said virtually all... finding a few that pay more than 10% does not disprove my statement. If I said "all" then finding even one would disprove me...Do you understand the difference?


you want to be taken seriously?

I am taken seriously by the rational.

stop massively exaggerating and painting all business by what a few huge corps do..

What did I exagerate about g.e?

or do you just want to whine away day after day?

If someone points out a verifiable fact are they a whiner?
Does that make martin king a whiner?
Does that make ghandi a whiner?
Does that make adams,jefferson,franklin et al. whiners?


btw, you may feel its morally wrong but the huge corps are doing it legally.

When a corp. has the ability to have laws written specifically for them then of course it will be legal.

He's a radical idea for you..
make a list of these huge corps that pay little in tax, make a list and website of all their products and services, then find alternative companies and products that do pay and dont offshore and do what OWS is doing, create a website and a massive boycott of those companies by not buying their fucking products!


Here is a radical idea for you...do not presume to tell me what to do, unless of course you would like to get nake(nake being the present tense of naked)with me.

Yeah, it would be a lot of work, much easier to sit back and whine on a forum..

Pointing out your ignorance is hardly a whine.

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Between the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world,

This is intellectual dishonesty. You are a regular poster here and have been informed many times that while the tax rate is high virtually no corporation pays anything near even ten percent. and many pay nothing.

Taxes raised by the government come from somewhere... Or is it the so called 1% who are footing the entire bill?

The fact remains that you are being disingenuous when you state that the u.s. has a high corporate tax rate while being fully aware that virtually no corp pays anything near that figgure


the regulatory agencies like the EPA

Do you think it is ok to dump toxic waste into the environment?
No, but I do believe the EPA goes way too far under their mandate.

What regulations would you repeal? Please be specific

& OSHA,
Do you believe that stairways should not have hand rails or that punch presses should not have tamper-proof safety handles?
I think people shouldn't have to be regulated to work smarter or safer,

It is not the people who work who are being regulated to work smarter or safer it is the employer being required to provide a safe work place. What are the specific osha reg. you would like to see repealed?


but a lot of people are stupid,

Is there a law against being stupid?


therefore work for unions,

Labor is the union...those who work for the union are those voted in by the union to perform certain task.
they need some kind of job security

I believe you mentioned that you belong to a union, are you stupid?


and Unions,

Do you feel that there should be a limit on how much money someone can be paid?
You and the OWS folks certainly do,

Where have you ever seen me say such a thing...if you cannot bring up a post to that effect then I will expect an apology.

or you wouldn't be whining about how much a CEO makes.

Where have I done so?

who would want to bring their business here?
Those who want to make money.
How's that working out for the 9+% unemployed?

How is this comment relevent?

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ORIGINAL: hlen5

To Whom this applies to:

Please no name-calling. I don't want this thread have to be killed AGAIN! The topic is American laziness or complacency. Anyone have any ideas on how to reverse such a trend if it indeed exists??

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: hlen5

To Whom this applies to:

Please no name-calling. I don't want this thread have to be killed AGAIN! The topic is American laziness or complacency. Anyone have any ideas on how to reverse such a trend if it indeed exists??

I think one thing that would help would be raising the minimum wage so that it actually PAYS to get off assistance and working.
As it is right now, for some people, it just doesn't make sense to get a job and lose their EBT and gov't assisted housing and child care. I mean, who would work 40 hours a week and come out more broke than when you were unemployed?

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As it is right now, for some people, it just doesn't make sense to get a job and lose their EBT and gov't assisted housing and child care. I mean, who would work 40 hours a week and come out more broke than when you were unemployed?

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ORIGINAL: Ninebelowzero

OK this is not a snipe. It's easy to point the finger at our own national corporations irrespective of nationality but think this through. Look at your cars are they made in your country, what about the cooker, the dishwasher, the TV, the HiFi, your mobile phone,. How can the corporations thrive when WE buy Japanese, German, Korean?
We are as responsible for our industries decline no matter if we are citizens of the U.S or Britain.