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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

We have the biggest retard in the w.h. now!
The only way we can go is "up" from here after we get rid of, "Herbert Hoover."

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

We have the biggest retard in the w.h. now!
The only way we can go is "up" from here after we get rid of, "Herbert Hoover."

Is it your considered opinion that he is worse than jackson,grant,buchannan or harding?

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ORIGINAL: Ax2

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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Appeasement led to WWII. It is this administration's policies that would lead us there again.

The Treaty of Versailles led to WWII. No Treaty of Versailles, no "make Germany pay". No "make Germany pay", no German economic collapse. No German economic collapse, No Nazis.

It was actually an Obama-like policy the Fourteen Points that tried to make the Treaty of Versailles fair. Of course the US didn't have nukes back then so France didn't listen and the rest is sadly history.

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker

The Japanese would have lit the war off if the Germans hadn't.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Crapping on the street! barbaric. I am willing to give up some of my freedom so we can keep people from doing that!

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

We have the biggest retard in the w.h. now!
The only way we can go is "up" from here after we get rid of, "Herbert Hoover."

Is it your considered opinion that he is worse than jackson,grant,buchannan or harding?

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

We have the biggest retard in the w.h. now!
The only way we can go is "up" from here after we get rid of, "Herbert Hoover."

Is it your considered opinion that he is worse than jackson,grant,buchannan or harding?

Don't be knocking Jackson too badly. He not only balanced the dudget and broke up the banking monopolies, he saw the national debt paid in full for the first and only time in American History.

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The Japanese would have lit the war off if the Germans hadn't.

With no allies to speak of, do you think they might have invaded China, French Indochina, a few other little places in SW Asia and Korea and let it go at that. No right or wrong answer there, just curious as to your thoughts.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Crapping on the street! barbaric. I am willing to give up some of my freedom so we can keep people from doing that!

So you'd rather have shitty streets instead of letting the authorities do something about it? Not surprising, I've seen what most inner cities look like and that's not far off. But I don't recall the constitution including anything about the freedom to shit in the streets. Until it does, I'll side with the authorities who are just trying to make the city a little cleaner, a little safer and little more secure for regular people to be able to go to their JOBS.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

We have the biggest retard in the w.h. now!
The only way we can go is "up" from here after we get rid of, "Herbert Hoover."

Is it your considered opinion that he is worse than jackson,grant,buchannan or harding?

Don't be knocking Jackson too badly. He not only balanced the dudget and broke up the banking monopolies, he saw the national debt paid in full for the first and only time in American History.

He was guilty of individual murder.(cheating in a dual)
He was guilty of murder under color of authority.(executing a foriegn national exonerated by jackson's own "drumhead court martial)
He was guilty of mass murder.("trail of tears")

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ORIGINAL: slut4prodomme
There are only two things that get the rabid right hoppin' up and down and crapping in their cages. One is murdering Muslims; world opinion and human decency be dammed, while at the same time  enriching the 1% of the private sector [...]

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You have him 100% on the trail of tears and even worse (Seminole wars, etc). He only served as prez 1829 until 1837 and the ToT was 1838-9.

I am quite aware of the when,where,who,what and why of the trail of tears and of jacksons involvement there in.
Duels were quasi legal at the time.

I was refering to cheating not the dual itself(having a misfire and recocking and firing).

After what the guy said regarding Jackson's wife, he deserved at least a serious ass whipping.

I made no reference to his wife or social shit perpetrated on him via peggy eaton.
As far as actually running the country, though, he didn't do too badly.
As far as executing a foreign national. Unfortunately, we've been doing that for the last 9 years via drone attacks. Hundreds of em.

He invaded a soverign nation we were not at war with. Kidnapped a foriegn national and held a drumhead court martial at which the foriegn national was acquited. He then had the foriegn national executed.
He was not the president but only an officer in the u.s. army subject to the commands of his superiors and the president, none of whom sanctiond the murder.
He tried to claim that texas was part of the louisiana purchase. He turned a blind eye to thefts from the u.s.arsenal by general gains who was smuggling arms into texas.
To give this sort of an individual a pass simply because he was less than a total fuck up as an administrator is no different than those who excuse mussolini by saying that the trains ran on time for the first time in italian hstory.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/andrew-jackson-kills-charles-dickinson-in-duel

Per cheating at the duel. That is a heresay claim.

This from your cite:

Dickinson's seconds claimed Jackson's first shot misfired, which would have meant the duel was over, but, in a breach of etiquette, Jackson re-cocked the gun and shot again, this time killing his opponent.

Written accounts of eyewitnesses is hardly "hearsay"

Invading a soverign nation we are not at war with and killing people? We do that every day.
Will you demonize Obama in the same way.

Obama said he would stop the war and close gitmo and tell the dea to stop fucking with mmp.
So far nothing but lies.
The only difference I see between him and the last guy to occupy 1600 pennsylvania ave. is that he has bigger ears and is more articulate...same shit different flies.

Jackson certainly wasn't a saint but he left the country in better shape than he found it.

Being out of debt is not the only criteria for the country being in better shape.

Mussolini can't say that obviously.

He was just another loud mouth asshole.

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Besides he first ammendment is there any other part of the consitution of my country you would like to wipe your ass on?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Besides he first ammendment is there any other part of the consitution of my country you would like to wipe your ass on?

Any that allow a person to throw a fit in the streets and prevent me from getting to my JOB.

If you are not willing to abide by the constitution of my country then you have three choices.
Ammend the constitution.
Overthrow the government and write a new constitution.
or:
You could move someplace you like better..


I think that will about do it. Your freedoms stop where mine start.


This from the u.s.constitution

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

So it would appear that you have very little understanding of what your rights actually are.


You can't prevent my legal, lawful and necessary trek to work just because YOU want to throw a fit about shit that isn't going to change.

The constitution says I do.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Looks like we're agreeing on over 50%. Especially the same shit, different asshole.
Out of debt is one criterium and by several others.

Would you care to explane what they are and how they apply to jackson?

Jackson left it in pretty good shape. He wasn't in the top 10 or even 50% but he wasn't at the bottom either. That is reserved for more recent white house residents.

I think that it would take at least twenty years after a president leaves office to get a reasonably good handle on his ranking.

In a free society I would be less than receptive to giving a mass murderer a pass just because he was able to hire competent bean counters. I am reasonably sure that a non mass murderer could also manage to hire competent bean counters.

Actually, I thought Mussolini became just another DEAD asshole when his people got their hands on him. They basically lynched him, didn't they?