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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 9:33:30 AM   
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Russia's chief military officer says the nation is facing an increased threat of being drawn into conflicts at its borders that may grow into an all-out nuclear war.

Gen. Nikolai Makarov, chief of the General Staff, pointed at NATO's expansion eastward and said Thursday that the risks for Russia to be pulled into local conflicts have "risen sharply." He added, according to Russian news agencies wires, that "under certain conditions local and regional conflicts may develop into a full-scale war involving nuclear weapons."





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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 9:37:09 AM   
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Looks like we're agreeing on over 50%. Especially the same shit, different asshole.
Out of debt is one criterium and by several others.

Would you care to explane what they are and how they apply to jackson?

Jackson left it in pretty good shape. He wasn't in the top 10 or even 50% but he wasn't at the bottom either. That is reserved for more recent white house residents.

I think that it would take at least twenty years after a president leaves office to get a reasonably good handle on his ranking.

In a free society I would be less than receptive to giving a mass murderer a pass just because he was able to hire competent bean counters. I am reasonably sure that a non mass murderer could also manage to hire competent bean counters.

Actually, I thought Mussolini became just another DEAD asshole when his people got their hands on him. They basically lynched him, didn't they?



Re your first statement. The fucking points boy. christ. Someone can agree with you and you still want to be a contrarian. Grow up.

Breaking the banking monopolies, he did without hiring bean counters. he did it via executive order. Balancing the budget was via congressional deal making not bean counters.

Your mass murder comment has nothing to do with his job as prez any more than Willie's blow job.

Again. Quit being such a fucking contrarian and playing word games

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 9:38:58 AM   
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The Russians seem to think trouble is brewing too.

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Russia's chief military officer says the nation is facing an increased threat of being drawn into conflicts at its borders that may grow into an all-out nuclear war.

Gen. Nikolai Makarov, chief of the General Staff, pointed at NATO's expansion eastward and said Thursday that the risks for Russia to be pulled into local conflicts have "risen sharply." He added, according to Russian news agencies wires, that "under certain conditions local and regional conflicts may develop into a full-scale war involving nuclear weapons."






And here we were celebrating the end of the old USSR because we thought it also ended the risk (or greatly reduced at least) of nuclear annihilation.

Dem Russkies do like to rattle the old sabre don't they.

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 9:52:45 AM   
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And here we were celebrating the end of the old USSR because we thought it also ended the risk (or greatly reduced at least) of nuclear annihilation.

Dem Russkies do like to rattle the old sabre don't they.


The Russians can easily say the same thing about NATO.

But the pieces for trouble are being placed on the board right now.

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 10:28:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I asked you to answer a question based on this statement.
Out of debt is one criterium and by several others.

Would you care to explane what they are and how they apply to jackson?

Your response is:
Re your first statement. The fucking points boy. christ. Someone can agree with you and you still want to be a contrarian. Grow up.

Do you really think it makes your point to call someone boy?
You make a general statement and when asked to validate it you demand that I "grow up".
If you can't answer the question simply admit your ignorance and then we can dissmiss the general statement you made and move on to the rest of the discussion.

I remain unconvinced that a budget can be balanced by simple arm twisting...someone has to do the math and that is a bean counter.

I also remain unconvinced that a mass murderer is in the same ethical class as a philanderer.
I think jackson was a flawed individual whose human failures far outweighed his few political sucesses.

A discussion is when you state your opinion and offer facts to substantiate them. I respond with my opinion and facts to substantiate them. We both learn and if the discussion is ment to bring some sort of concensus we continue. If it is just some sort of debate scoreboard then one or both paries demand the other stop being contrarian.
The choice is yours.



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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 11:22:26 AM   
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And here we were celebrating the end of the old USSR because we thought it also ended the risk (or greatly reduced at least) of nuclear annihilation.

Dem Russkies do like to rattle the old sabre don't they.


The Russians can easily say the same thing about NATO.

But the pieces for trouble are being placed on the board right now.



When the fall of the USSR took place, I initially saw it as a golden opportunity to forge closer ties between Russia and America. It's ironic that our leaders chose to jump into bed with Communist China, while still taking a hardline stance against Russia even when they stopped being Communist.



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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 12:30:58 PM   
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And here we were celebrating the end of the old USSR because we thought it also ended the risk (or greatly reduced at least) of nuclear annihilation.

Dem Russkies do like to rattle the old sabre don't they.



sabre rattling is about all it is. Russia joined the nato defence shield in 2010. Russia and NATo have also agreed they are not a threat to each other in writing. This is encouraging in itself, since it is way different to the usual Rhetoric that eminates from Moscow.

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 4:55:53 PM   
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When the fall of the USSR took place, I initially saw it as a golden opportunity to forge closer ties between Russia and America. It's ironic that our leaders chose to jump into bed with Communist China, while still taking a hardline stance against Russia even when they stopped being Communist.


When was russia or the ussr communist?
All the facts say that they were socialists.

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 5:44:55 PM   
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When the fall of the USSR took place, I initially saw it as a golden opportunity to forge closer ties between Russia and America. It's ironic that our leaders chose to jump into bed with Communist China, while still taking a hardline stance against Russia even when they stopped being Communist.


When was russia or the ussr communist?
All the facts say that they were socialists.


Except for the fact that the name of the only legal political party just happened to be "Communist." Don't worry; I'm well acquainted with the distinction between socialism and communism, but in this case, "Communist" is more of a geopolitical term, such as in the phrase "Communist Bloc."

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 5:55:25 PM   
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When the fall of the USSR took place, I initially saw it as a golden opportunity to forge closer ties between Russia and America. It's ironic that our leaders chose to jump into bed with Communist China, while still taking a hardline stance against Russia even when they stopped being Communist.


When was russia or the ussr communist?
All the facts say that they were socialists.


Except for the fact that the name of the only legal political party just happened to be "Communist." Don't worry; I'm well acquainted with the distinction between socialism and communism, but in this case, "Communist" is more of a geopolitical term, such as in the phrase "Communist Bloc."


If you are aware of the difference between the two words why did you choose to use the wrong one?
We have democrats as one of the two controling parties in this country but we are not a democracy and never have been.

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 7:23:05 PM   
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You could move someplace you like better.


the same could be said of the protesters. If they don't like the way things are here, they should leave.

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The constitution says I do.


Once again, you don't have the freedom to deprive me of my freedoms. Your rights stop where mine start.

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 7:31:45 PM   
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I hadn't realized anyone over seven used the word "retard."

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 11:20:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The nazis started WWII.

Period.

Only a retard would think they`d never have invaded Russia,Poland or France.

Only a retard. "

That is such a stupid statement I don't know what to say. No wait I actually do. Anyone with a fucking brain knows that the Kaiser started WW1 which lead to WW2 because of war reparations demanded chiefly by the French. The people worked hard but reparations had them living in poverty while they created all kinds of wealth.

These conditions are precisely what enabled Hitler to power and subsequently the nationalist movement which resulted in the folllowing reactions in history. The US specifically prohibited reparations after WW2 because they knew that it would just happen again.

Now look at the plan here. Fuck the people out of everything, I don't know if it is worse than post WW1 Germany here now but I'll bet it will be. The party doesn't matter. They got other people's money to spend. The biggest difference is in foreign intervention.

One party will spend five trillion on war and one trillion on social welfare. The other party will spend four trillion of war and two trillion on social welfare. Big fucking difference.

Are you so blind that you don't know that ?

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/17/2011 11:33:25 PM   
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The Japanese would have lit the war off if the Germans hadn't


Huh ? They did.

Germany wanted no part of the US. People say otherwise but they are full of shit. I know they were in Africa, but they never planned on staying forever. The Nazis wanted about half of Europe or something. Maybe like where the old Austrio-Hungarian Empire was or some shit. I bet they could give or take a few miles, unlike Israel.

But eventually they would come to enjoy taking. Cherish the hunt and no less to say the least - the victory. The original blitzkrieg or whatever gave them that boost in adenalin bias, day to day.

You have to understand something. The soldiers of our enemies are not forced to serve. They are every bit as patriotic as any of us. Just like cops and whoever who violate our rights, busting people for possesion of drugs and shit like that. They know what they are doing and they know it is wrong. I know some of these people and knew alot more in the past. It's all a money game and after a few more pieces of evidence it is clear that even war is a money game.

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/18/2011 12:04:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Pragmatically you are correct.

However the EUrocentric neglect learning that Asian part of the history of WW2. The Germans were latecomers, the Japanse started this plan back when they whipped the Russians and really had it going on starting in the 1920's. Picture the Nazis with an extra ten-twenty years to get their act together.

Unlike the Germans, the Japanese had a list of what they wanted and a plan for getting it done, and anyone thinking taking away the British Empires and the Dutch's richest  colonies would not result in a war and would not become a world war . . . (the Sun never sets on the British Empire) never mind thinking they would have India as a puppet along with the Philippines and Hawaii and even parts of Latin America without trouble . . .

In reality Hitler just jumped the starting gun, he wasn't supposed to get rowdy until 1945 under the original plans historians have found so far.

The EU is lucky the Axis did not stay on script, with all the French and British  military and naval strength around the world fighting in Asia, the Germans would have had a lot of fun with the locals when they did act.

But what could have happened did happen.

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/18/2011 12:58:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I heard that the Japanee planned on a mini blitzkrieg and then a somewhat protracted effort after the undesirables were gone. And then to sue for peace. But, for one Iwo Gima happened, but that was not what fucked up their plans. That general who was schooled in the USA told the Emporer that they have awoken the sleeping giant.

But they had no choice. All these motherfuckers planned on WW2, starting right at the end of WW1. It didn't go well enough so they had to have another one and they sure did, fucked everything up.

If the south would've won the civil war here, the north would not quite have the moxy to get into WW2. If the north and south were to coexist, each would have it's own intelligence and armies. Within fifty years it is reasonable to assume that they would have become allies, but to jointly support an effort in the world war might not have made it, which would have left the north to do it on it's own.

Therefore there would have been no antagonization of Japan and therefore no attack on Pearl Harbor, which means no public support for the US's involvement in WW2. This could mean a victory for Germany, but it wasn't all that likely, however without the US, other countries may have allied with Germany, tipping the balance of power.

Would it have been so bad ? First of all the Nazis would never come here. Know why ? Because they were not stooooopid. This is the same reason England let us win the war of independence. They could never hold on to this. For some years they enjoyed the fruits, meaning taxes but they knew it wa going to end. We can't keep tabs on a country this size when we are here with high tech weapons and the biggest military budget in the world. You think some country using old radial engine prop bombers and handguns could do it especially without high speed air trasnsport - and I mean en masse ? What's more in revolutionary times it was even worse, the King could say something and people don't hear it for months. How the fuck do you govern like that ? Even so, Germany would maybe have tried to govern a shitload of northern Europe, whatever, but the US was never on the table, contrary to popular belief.

Anyone who knows anything at all about strategy knows that.

Fuck no, they would be stupid to try.

Just like all this supposed threat out there. NO FUCKING BODY IS GOING TO ATTACK THIS COUNTRY WITH A NUKE. Nobody is that stupid. They can hate us all they want but really, a bunch of them would use it as a suicide device to keep us from running their country and you know what ? I don't blame them. Live free or die motherfucker.

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/18/2011 1:18:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		The original published Japanese plan was to let the Phillipines finish gaining their independece which it was slated to do anyways (in 1943-44, but WW2 interfered with that) and then treat it like they did Thailand. Without the Japanese the Axis would not be at war with the US.

Without the USAsians getting into the thing, times would be a lot easier for Japan. And when they jumped on the EUropeans, they would have been given the lot a good beating. Especially when the Germans did their part of the thing.

The Austrian Paperhanger, the Philippines and Russia are who cost the Axis this war game. Take any of them out of the Big Equation and things go a lot differently.

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/18/2011 1:52:40 AM   
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We have the biggest retard in the w.h. now!
The only way we can go is "up" from here after we get rid of, "Herbert Hoover."



Ah.....another infamous statement from our resident Independent.

I just keep trying to figure out out what you are independent from?

You constantly slam Obama, liberals, and Democrats.

Doesn't that suggest you are leaning in a slightly less independent direction?

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RE: Its simple folks,we elect one of the retards, we ge... - 11/18/2011 7:34:45 AM   
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If you are aware of the difference between the two words why did you choose to use the wrong one?


Because it would have entailed a lack of clarity if I just said "socialist," since there are other socialist countries which were not part of the Communist Bloc. When referring to the Soviet Union, we're actually referring to the Bolsheviks, but since they officially changed their name to "Communist" in the early 1920s, then that's what they were called.

I suppose we could have called anything we wanted, but generally, we just take on whatever name they choose for themselves. Since they called themselves "Communist," then that's what we called them, too. They picked their own name; we didn't just label them that unilaterally.

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We have democrats as one of the two controling parties in this country but we are not a democracy and never have been.


Some might call it a "democratic republic" or a "democracy in a republic." Some might use the term "representative democracy." People might use different terms to describe the same thing. "You say pot-ah-to, I say pot-ay-to."

The Democratic Party was once known as the Democratic-Republican Party, with the other major party being the Federalists. The Democratic-Republicans eventually became just the Democratic Party, and the Federalists were displaced by the Whigs, after which the Whigs were displaced by what we now know as the Republican Party.



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