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RE: SM Publisher - 11/15/2011 9:33:49 PM

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Miss Immortal Pain, i much respect Your viewpoints as You create so i give further thought and to contemplate. Thank You as i truly am seeking guidance, awareness and input.

The self publishing aspect seems a no go as Goddess has requested i edit and to find a publisher. I begin to believe this shall be a bigger challenge than i anticipated in that the challenge seems not so much in finding a publisher as it is in garnering interest from a publisher.

Not so sure about the given out for free aspect in that Her website is not open to the public. The compilation of stories pertaining to this publication effort encompasses slaves/stories on Her membership site. To my knowledge i was/am Her only slave on LJ as it was with intent of publishing a book. That was a aspect we discussed in past. Events occurred which put that on hold and now perhaps it resurfaces.

I suspect making request of me to jump through these hoops and fulfill this task is partially a test and partially to determine the logistics and reality of such a project. It shall indeed be a learning project and hopefully i can achieve the ultimate goal. Here is Her comment: that is test and if it works we take you LJ slave and will make further entries slave. First we make a book with 10-15 stories of Me slave... and you will it do slave.

My task i see as doing grunt work and ground work. Details, arrangements and finesse of publishing/monetary details i interpret as domain of Goddess.

From what i comprehend it is two part project. Part one is publishing of true slave accounts currently as a series of short stories in possession of Goddess. This aspect i was not previously aware of but also i am with no qualms of it. Part two is the aspect i was previously aware of and which Goddess and i previously discussed. It became with a interruption because of life changes on my part and seems as to resume once again. It is with a basically agreed ending although exact details of such in reaching that ending are not yet known... or not not known to me. As in past it shall be documented in LJ and then to be edited.

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/15/2011 10:05:44 PM

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Lady Lafayette, i do not know if my skills are up to the task. Such in past has not been my forte and as conveyed here it is apparent my skills are lacking. I assume Goddess is with faith i can make some improvement. I will focus, concentrate and do my best. I shall carry it as far as i can for Her. After that She will have advice of others more proficient than i in such matters and can take it from there. Whatever i accomplish i am confident She will have appreciation of.

Thank You for insight of photos as it is a concern. I do not believe it would be part of a book, but i am with awareness such could potentially have big effect on my vanilla existence, thus with consequences and to cause some worry. It is good to know photos can not be published without consent, however do not think i would have much say in the matter... in truth i would, but from previous experience suspect i would find myself unable to invoke such say.

As to costs i do not know which of us takes on those costs. With Her original stories i assume i do the grunt work and labour aspects. If events progress to my life experiences as Her slave perchance that expense would fall to me but in truth i do not know.

Perchance a publisher does not take it on, but still i must jump through those hoops and to give my best effort. If it does not come about then i must at least create so Goddess is with insight, perspective, knowledge and information. Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/15/2011 10:20:18 PM

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Thanks Hausboy and also to Lafayette Lady, Miss Immortal Pain, Lady Hibiscus and Simply Michael. You all have given me a greater insight than i was with hours ago and it is much appreciated. I must progress forward and am with a greater sense of direction and with much to contemplate as result of Your advice and input. Also criticisms have been genuine and sincere.. and obvious... thanks for portraying it as constructive criticism :-) That i also do very much appreciate!

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/15/2011 10:36:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: DumbassSub

i have been requested to research North American publishers that are with interest in sm and power exchange journal/stories that are real.

From a quick Google search --> http://www.passionatepen.com/romancepubs.htm

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/15/2011 11:32:25 PM

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AND, there is now a CHEAP "vanity press," namely an e-book. Another choice - discs.

If what your Mistress is REALLY, really looking for is the MARKETING power of a publisher, "ain't gonna happen." And here's why: Almost all medium-to-small Publishers have a "House author" that is the publisher's bread and butter. Perfect example just happen in the field I deal in as a hobby - "Collectors Books" has had for more than 20 years ONE author writing 2 or 3 books a year. Plenty of one-shot wonders filled the catalog. Said author retired (for health reasons) and within 18 months, the publishing house closed.

Another example: Jack Rinella actually formed a publishing house - has a deal with a printer which is much better than "vanity press." I found out some details when I was visiting and "hot off the press" copies arrived. I'm happy to say that he was numbering them and autographing them and gave me one.

2nd reason that it "ain't" going to happen: Y'all have too tight a niche.

If she INSISTS on traditional methods, the idea given above (by hausboy at post #19) is to check publishers of similar books. And here's where the REAL power of Google can help you. That is, pretend you want to find a book similar to the one she / you have in mind. Then Amazon can tell you author, publisher, etc.

BIG hint: AND a mistake made by just about every novice writer. Write ONE chapter and send to publisher. If you can't get the publisher to "bite" on the first chapter, nothing will happen.

The mistake is preparing a full manuscript and laying it at the feeet of the publisher saying "M'Lord. I present you the finest treasure. Please, take it and spread it upon the eagerly waiting masses. The masses of those of poor resources, waiting but for a glipse of this perfect jewel. A glimpse being all they need to send their minds soaring to the hitherto unknown heights of pleasure. Please, m'Lord, please take my gift."

Come to think of it, that hint is for novels. Character, plot, etc. You seem interested more in a collection of short stories. BUT where does the character devlopement "happen"? There are very, very few collections of short stories all by the same author. And even less when the story repeats itself. Let's see:

Chapter I: She ordered me to do that. I did this instead of that. She punished me by.... after our session, I crawled to the stone floor where I was allowed to sleep, dreaming that tomorrow, I could and would follow her instructions more to her liking.
Chapter II: She ordered me to do that. I did this instead of that. She punished me by.... after our session, I crawled to the stone floor where I was allowed to sleep, dreaming that tomorrow, I could and would follow her instructions more to her liking.
Chapter III: She ordered me to do that. I did this instead of that. She punished me by.... after our session, I crawled to the stone floor where I was allowed to sleep, dreaming that tomorrow, I could and would follow her instructions more to her liking.
Chapter IV: She ordered me to do that. I did this instead of that. She punished me by.... after our session, I crawled to the stone floor where I was allowed to sleep, dreaming that tomorrow, I could and would follow her instructions more to her liking.
Chapter V: She ordered me to do that. I did this instead of that. She punished me by.... after our session, I crawled to the stone floor where I was allowed to sleep, dreaming that tomorrow, I could and would follow her instructions more to her liking.
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I was the copy editor for a nationally distributed gay porno magazine for ten years <!> (Internet killed the dead-tree version. LOL!)

We always had many, many more stories submitted by readers than there was room for. I would read every one of them and assign a letter grade. These went into file in grade order. We'd pick off the top and send it to illustrator. At the same time, I'd be fixing punctuation, spelling, etc. [My all-time favorite "howler" as they are called, was "He let loose with a long groin of satisfaction." I think the author meant "groan of satifaction." Can you say "spell-checker doesn't catch everything"?]

At the beginning, I transcribed typed manuscipts into electronic form. Then we started asking for floppies, then e-mails.....) Any-who.... I'm here to tell you that publishers do NOT want YOUR story about YOU and what happened to YOU. I can't tell you how many stories I [had to] read that went "We met at the dance / school / my uncle's farm / on the train / where ever. We had wild sex, doing this and that and mabye a little of that thing there, but not too much. We fell in love THE END.

WHO THE FUCK CARES?

The grades were 5 equal parts:
1. Character developement
2. Setting / location description
3. "HEAT" - (aka "Did Lance get hard?")
4. Believabilty of dialogue / dialect
5. Plot developement / climax.

ETA: Entire post above can be expressed in one line:

Collections of ancedotes = NO SALE!

Oh, alright, 2 lines....

Collections of ancedotes (a.k.a. memoirs a.k.a. biography) = NO SALE (unless subject is famous.)

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/15/2011 11:54:35 PM

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Google it, you'll get hundreds of responses.

The other thing to consider is self-publishing via Amazon.

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/16/2011 4:10:10 AM

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Wow, thanks for experienced insight and wealth of info. Your words and experience are certainly a eye opener. Perspective as to short stories is logical and can see that likely will go down in flames. Goddess is insightful, clever, intelligent and meticulous which has me suspecting She is already aware of such. Creates so i give greater thought to Her word 'test'. To read Your straight talk is a reality check and reality checks are always good in that something of substance can be gleaned from it.

Postings and research has me realizing there is much more to this task than i originally anticipated. Seems the more i learn and discover, the more venues i must pursue. Am ecstatic with responses as i had not anticipated such sincere insight, nor to find myself asking so many questions of myself and the challenge ahead. Shall follow through in direction and the hoops Goddess desires with short stories. With second part of task, gears are turning and developing a direction and focus for hoped for success.

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/16/2011 4:59:58 AM

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Cool... thanks crazyml. Amazon's 'Create Space' and 'Kindle' are options i had not considered. As conveyed in my response to Lance i am most impressed with nature of replies... it becomes a wealth of information for me and i much appreciate it :-) Also very much appreciate sincerity of straightforward comments and questioning that cause me to reflect.

Sounds strange perhaps but as i quickly see the challenge grows bigger, as it does so i also find myself with a growing energy and enthusiasm. Comments create so i suspect i am out of my league on this one in that i lack certain skills and knowledge which makes the challenge of my task to be greater, but also i recognize this feeling i begin to feel inside and it's one i've not felt in a long time.

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/16/2011 3:42:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: DumbassSub

Cool... thanks crazyml. Amazon's 'Create Space' and 'Kindle' are options i had not considered. As conveyed in my response to Lance i am most impressed with nature of replies... it becomes a wealth of information for me and i much appreciate it :-) Also very much appreciate sincerity of straightforward comments and questioning that cause me to reflect.

Sounds strange perhaps but as i quickly see the challenge grows bigger, as it does so i also find myself with a growing energy and enthusiasm. Comments create so i suspect i am out of my league on this one in that i lack certain skills and knowledge which makes the challenge of my task to be greater, but also i recognize this feeling i begin to feel inside and it's one i've not felt in a long time.

Lance's advice was great. As someone who was on the OTHER side of getting something published, your goddess would be wise to listen to what he has to say.

Think about the last book you read for enjoyment and liked. What was it that pulled you into the story? What made you want to turn the page? Did you care about the characters in the story, as in liked them, or even hated them and wanted them to get what was coming to them?

Once you answer those questions, forget that your goddess and you experienced whatever are in these short stories of hers. Read one as though you have no idea who the people are or anything else? Does it make you want to turn the page? How much editing will it take to make someone want to turn the page?

Penthouse magazine used to have their reader's forum, stories supposedly submitted by readers about their wild and crazy experiences. They also published a couple of books with those collections. Why do I say "supposedly submitted by readers?" Because it doesn't take much to figure out that there just aren't that many farmer's daughters ravaging guys in the barn in real life, lol.

I mention this because you say this would be a collection of "short stories" about various escapades of slaves. So, as Lance pointed out, where is the character development? How "short" are they? Can you make someone give a shit in 3 pages?

Writing is a skill, it isn't something that everyone can do well. A writer needs to draw the reader in to the story, unless you are talking about simply a collection of porn for porn's sake. Likewise, editing for more than grammar and spelling is a skill. Anyone with a grasp of the English language can read something and pick out spelling and grammatical errors. But an editor typically has more responsibility than that. They need to be able to tell the writer, "hey, this part here really doesn't flow well, delete it," or "you need to do something to make this character more likeable." An editor has to be able to spot inconsistencies in a story as well, details mentioned need to stay the same and someone has to keep track of that. Again, as Lance pointed out, when he read the submitted stories to the magazine he worked for, he didn't simply check the spelling, it mattered whether the story flowed well, whether it aroused any particular reaction in him.

Given what you have said about your relationship with your goddess, is it even possible for you to tell her those things? Or is she more likely to dismiss your opinions on that?

Head over to Literotica.com and read some stuff there. It is all amateurs, separated by category. Some stories are pretty good, some really suck and are spelling nightmares. See if you can't find some of both. That can at least give you a visual example of what you are being asked to take on.

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/16/2011 4:36:07 PM

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A post by January in Confusion/Resentment thread has so i prefer to avoid such judgments that incorrectly assume.

Bummer. I could have given you plenty of advice about publishing BDSM.

But, of course, that advice would have come with a side helping of "judgments that incorrectly assume".

January

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/17/2011 4:36:20 AM

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Have received some great advice that creates so the the ol' gears are turning. Also it creates so i realize it is a more challenging project than i at first realized. As You and Lance convey with the short stories of various slaves there is no character development. Also i am curious as in conversation yesterday i have more insight. Apparently Goddess has already done some research/feedback and anticipates a $7,000 investment. I did not inquire who Goddess conferred with, nor if it incorporates both projects. As i become more aware what's involved and to realize such substantial investment the more i begin to think the short stories are a test and dry run. To edit shall not take long and then to have greater clarity where Goddess goes with it.

Feedback i received here i have not conveyed with Goddess other than options for publishing as it was part of my task. The aspects You and Lance have shared are logical and eye opening. That aspect i confess i have not discussed, but i shall. In answer to Your question yes Goddess and i converse openly and easily. We both have same trait of talking easily, open, direct and straight. It is a project Goddess is very much interested in and so it will progress in one venue or another. The more we are aware of challenges, roadblocks and bumps in the road and then the greater our awareness and ability to focus on such.

For Goddess to convey Her expectation of $7,000 and to have undertaken some preliminary opinion and advice has so i realize the project has obviously remained percolating in Her thoughts. At my end i shall do what i can and to give my best effort. What i am not capable of Goddess shall require to seek elsewhere. I anticipate it to go in stages. I shall edit as She requests, She will seek advice and have so i make further changes. That in turn shall be reviewed and likely further changes forthcoming. From previous experience that process will repeat until beyond my capability and then to be refined by another. That being said Goddess absolute will push my capability. That i have seen with other projects such as development of my business website. I knew nothing of making a website. Previous site i was not satisfied with and now am with a site i am absolute content with. It is with the features i want and how i want. Although i knew nothing of such it became so i did vast majority of it.... the grunt work under Her guidance. Book task i see as being similar... to perform the grunt work, groundwork and conforming to Her expectations.

Have not heard of Literotica but absolute shall read and check it out. I much appreciate Your opinion and input Lafayette Lady. You and Lance have given me greater awareness and much to contemplate. Also in having awareness i shall discuss with Goddess.

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/17/2011 5:01:35 AM

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I think the e book route is the one
you should really look into.
Look into smashwords. It's a site
where you can upload a manuscript
for free or pay a small fee for them
to do it if you can't. The manuscript
can then be downloaded on kindle,
nook, Sony, iPhones, etc.
Their site explains everything very well.
You might like to hire a line editor
to go over the manuscript before
you publish to check spelling and
punctuation and stuff. You can find
freelance ones for under two hundred
dollars. It's never a bad idea to have
fresh and knowledgable eyes look at
your manuscript.
Then for around two hundred dollars you
can have someone design a cover for
your e book.
Then you market it. As Lance said you
are a niche market. You need to find
your potential readers. You could have
a website for the book. Also find blogs
by submissive men who might agree to
interview her or give the book a shout
out. You can also use Livejournal to
reach readers. Also you can put links
on your fetlife accounts and write about
it on your profile.
But sociL networking is a great way to get
the word out and find readers.
As for the actual writing fetlife has a
lot of writing groups that can give you
advice and feedback.

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/17/2011 5:46:25 AM

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Am always open to opinion and advice, especially if seeking it out. I am with preference however that it not be delivered in sarcastic manner which rightly or wrongly is how i perceived your previous input in another post. If you can do so without the sarcasm or alluding my motives are less than sincere, i would very much appreciate your input.

To clarify... your response in previous post :
Is that really your motivation? Pride in your work and making the recipient happy? Here's an idea: Why don't you volunteer your services for Habitat for Humanity or for old people whose houses are falling apart? Help build playgrounds? Build raffle prizes like playhouses? Donate your time to organizations that are worthy. The satisfaction of serving and pride in your work can be independent of your kink.

Yeah, helping ordinary (read vanilla) folk won't satisfy your urge to sleep in a dungeon or get whipped. But selflessness and submissiveness comes in all forms, including creating a better world.

I did not respond at the time as i felt your judgments were way of base and not deserving of such. Since it resurfaces i shall respond. In answer, yes that was my motivation... combined with a power exchange aspect, session aspect, OWK aspect as agreed upon. As for your idea/comment as to why i do not perform volunteer service... fact is i am with decades of service and community work and indeed having received a number awards and acknowledgments for such. Have also served in numerous chairmanships and offices of two well established major service club organizations in addition to serving all offices of a umbrella organization overseeing sixteen service clubs. With world's largest service club organization i served a number of chairmanships at Zone, Region and District levels and receiving a number of awards and recognitions for such. Some are knife and forkers others are active and involved... myself being the later and with thousands of hours of service to others, some personal sacrifice and much financial expense. It is also my character to be giving of self, generous and to assist others. As such your comments as to service work i viewed as assumptive, with ignorance and totally baseless. I am very proud of my extensive involvement in community service both locally and on a wider scale, in a number of venues and resent you naively alluding otherwise. Your comment i viewed as uninformed sarcasm and judgmental. Your final comment is equally sarcastic and judgmental. In reply to that aspect, obviously vanilla interactions shall not satisfy desires of servitude and power exchange. What you missed or chose to ignore is fact a series of work weekends were sessions with a professional Mistress and not a vanilla person, nor of vanilla intent. Sessions were a total of five and with agreement of bd/sm and OWK expectations which incidentally were not forthcoming as promised. It was a bartering of services, difference being instead of paying cash(although the experience did have me with total expense of $600) i paid via providing a service with my time, expense and skills.

Your side helpings of sarcastic attitude and judgments i admittedly am with no interest in. If however we could commence on a clean slate and positive venue i very much would appreciate it. To be here i hope for constructive criticism, insight, assistance and wider perspective. I seek to on occasion perchance vent, opinionate and to learn. I am not here as a wanker, nor as a troll, nor as a nuisance. I speak open and honest and see no reason to be otherwise.

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/17/2011 12:40:52 PM

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Have received some great advice that creates so the the ol' gears are turning. Also it creates so i realize it is a more challenging project than i at first realized. As You and Lance convey with the short stories of various slaves there is no character development. Also i am curious as in conversation yesterday i have more insight. Apparently Goddess has already done some research/feedback and anticipates a $7,000 investment. I did not inquire who Goddess conferred with, nor if it incorporates both projects. As i become more aware what's involved and to realize such substantial investment the more i begin to think the short stories are a test and dry run. To edit shall not take long and then to have greater clarity where Goddess goes with it.

Feedback i received here i have not conveyed with Goddess other than options for publishing as it was part of my task. The aspects You and Lance have shared are logical and eye opening. That aspect i confess i have not discussed, but i shall. In answer to Your question yes Goddess and i converse openly and easily. We both have same trait of talking easily, open, direct and straight. It is a project Goddess is very much interested in and so it will progress in one venue or another. The more we are aware of challenges, roadblocks and bumps in the road and then the greater our awareness and ability to focus on such.

For Goddess to convey Her expectation of $7,000 and to have undertaken some preliminary opinion and advice has so i realize the project has obviously remained percolating in Her thoughts. At my end i shall do what i can and to give my best effort. What i am not capable of Goddess shall require to seek elsewhere. I anticipate it to go in stages. I shall edit as She requests, She will seek advice and have so i make further changes. That in turn shall be reviewed and likely further changes forthcoming. From previous experience that process will repeat until beyond my capability and then to be refined by another. That being said Goddess absolute will push my capability. That i have seen with other projects such as development of my business website. I knew nothing of making a website. Previous site i was not satisfied with and now am with a site i am absolute content with. It is with the features i want and how i want. Although i knew nothing of such it became so i did vast majority of it.... the grunt work under Her guidance. Book task i see as being similar... to perform the grunt work, groundwork and conforming to Her expectations.

Have not heard of Literotica but absolute shall read and check it out. I much appreciate Your opinion and input Lafayette Lady. You and Lance have given me greater awareness and much to contemplate. Also in having awareness i shall discuss with Goddess.

Earlier you stated she was not interested in a "vanity press" type of publishing. The ONLY type of publishing that requires an investment (beyond one's time and perhaps computer expenses), IS a vanity press. Kind of like all the young girls who dream of being a model and get involved with companies who charge you. If someone is interested in your (or your goddess's) work, they PAY you, not the other way around.

I have to ask, WHO is expected to invest $7,000.00? I get that perhaps you think that as a sub/slave, it may be a whole part of the experience to pay "tribute" or whatever. HOWEVER, seven grand is a big chunk of change to simply stroke someone's ego. Certainly, if that kind of money is "disposable income" to you, do what you want with it (although I can think of a lot of charities where it would be put to better use).

As for the editing and your abilities in that area....understand that it wouldn't be a bad thing for you to do this work and improve your skills in that area. Here's the thing, the way you write your posts, it would appear that English is not your first language or that you are attempting to speak in a more "old world" type manner. If English isn't your first language, then a continuing education course or a college course in English would go a long way into helping you do the spelling, grammar and usage part. If it is that you are speaking in a more "old world" type of manner, unless that is your market audience, great, if not, you need to give it up. If English IS your first language and it is simply poor writing skills, back to the continuing education or college course. All ways, however, would probably do you some good as a person, since learning to do those things better can only benefit YOU.

I have to be honest though. From your posts and your "clarifications," it really sounds as though your goddess got it into her head that it would be "cool" to be an author, but she really has no desire to put any of her own work into the mix. She wants to use stories OTHER people have posted to her site, have you do the editing, finding the publisher, getting it printed. Exactly where is SHE in this as being an author or writer? Sounds like the only thing she has to do with it is her name as author and if (big if) any profits are gained, they will be hers. In most circles that is pretty much sums up someone who is a fraud. Perhaps fraud in the legal sense, but really more fraud in the sense of claiming to have achieved something that others have done all the work for and you just took credit.

The decisions are yours to make. I realize you have known this woman for some time and trust her. It is unclear if you have actually met in person, and I have to tell you that if you haven't, you need to stop what you are doing NOW and THINK...

You are a trusting person and want to see the good in people, that is a good trait to have. But it can get a person taken advantage of very easily and no offense but it has gotten you taken advantage of before. In your effort to be submissive and to worship a woman, it is dangerous, financially and emotionally, to be overly trusting.

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/17/2011 1:09:24 PM

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Had not previously given thought to e-book or self publishing until reading of it via CM responses. Mentioned it to Goddess however Her interest seemed to remain with a publisher. I think perhaps because like myself, other options were not previously considered. These venues i shall research deeper and discuss with Goddess again once i am better aware of the nuances and pros/cons of each. Although Goddess seemed set with a venue and with a predetermined budget, i personally like the e-book option. As i read your post i like it more in cost effectiveness, versatility and that they offer services where i may fall short or to be unknowing.

As i receive some excellent feedback i become to realize there a number of options, also that this is more detailed challenge that i originally anticipated. In past Goddess has demonstrated to be with a number of outside resources and thus i am not too worried as to my shortfalls, although i confess those shortfalls appear more obvious than i realized. She will get Her opinions and feedback and have so that i follow Her guidelines. What i appreciate is feedback i receive so i can be more aware and with better vision of where i should be heading with this task. Always easier to start on proper path and with proper concept/expectations than heading on wrong tangent and having to redo or to be with failure.

Marketing is important and not sure of Her plans for such, but with a e-book i think the marketing aspect to be even more important. Your reply is only a few paragraphs but with a wealth of ideas :-) Between you, Lance, Lafayette Lady and others i see i was naive at the outset. I am much further ahead with awareness now than i was a few days ago. Responses have been helpful and informative... in a word... awesome.

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/17/2011 1:14:49 PM

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If you can do so without the sarcasm or alluding my motives are less than sincere, i would very much appreciate your input.

My previous post, on a different thread, was in no way sarcastic. My post did, however, question your motives. Your answer, on this thread, claiming you volunteer for a nameless organization, doing something for someone, and getting awards for it, did not impress me. I evidently have a different understanding of submissiveness than you. That's fine.

Regarding the writing. Here's my tough love: Being an author is difficult. Finding a publisher is a long process. Think years. Learning how to write requires not only English skills, but reading and understanding your genre. How many BDSM books have you read? Editing and re-editing, revising again and again, and taking critiques to heart require open-mindedness, patience, and leaving your ego at the door. Think more years. Dude, if you become a writer, even if you are superb, people are going to call your writing utter trash! Are you prepared for that?

Based on your posts, awash with entitlement and anger, makes me think this author stuff is all a pipe-dream. In any case, I will let you start with a clean slate. It's called ignore.

January

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/17/2011 1:43:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: January

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If you can do so without the sarcasm or alluding my motives are less than sincere, i would very much appreciate your input.

My previous post, on a different thread, was in no way sarcastic. My post did, however, question your motives. Your answer, on this thread, claiming you volunteer for a nameless organization, doing something for someone, and getting awards for it, did not impress me. I evidently have a different understanding of submissiveness than you. That's fine.

Regarding the writing. Here's my tough love: Being an author is difficult. Finding a publisher is a long process. Think years. Learning how to write requires not only English skills, but reading and understanding your genre. How many BDSM books have you read? Editing and re-editing, revising again and again, and taking critiques to heart require open-mindedness, patience, and leaving your ego at the door. Think more years. Dude, if you become a writer, even if you are superb, people are going to call your writing utter trash! Are you prepared for that?

Based on your posts, awash with entitlement and anger, makes me think this author stuff is all a pipe-dream. In any case, I will let you start with a clean slate. It's called ignore.

January

January, part of being a good writer is being a good reader. The OP has no intention of writing anything, it is his lady that wants to be an author. To be a published writer, English skills, and understanding your genre are important, but regardless of that, writing at that level is a SKILL, it is an artform that can't be taught. Yes, one can learn the mechanics, but weaving a story in a manner other people will like is something you can't learn, you either have it or you don't. The learning process simply brings out that ability in those who already possess it.

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/17/2011 2:01:52 PM

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Kindly disregard, some one else had the same idea.
dee

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/17/2011 2:53:45 PM

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Cool by me and i'm most content with such.

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RE: SM Publisher - 11/17/2011 3:08:09 PM

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Okay, where to begin?

Let me start with the negatives and criticism. 'Find a publisher' is too vague. 'Find me a publisher who...' is better. Your Dominant is writing the book, but for what audience or readership? What does she expect to get from it? What work has she done herself towards publishing this book?

My background is performing arts, but there's not much difference. These sorts of industries are hard, and much harder for those who are unpublished (LiveJournal and vanity publishing doesn't count), it takes a lot of work, a lot of time, and the end result might not be what you anticipate. It may also take investment. There might be no return on that investment.

Get to know copyright law and stick to it. Generally you're looking for a 'First Rights' type of contract. Your Dominant is writing it as a book, but some books are adapted to plays and movies. They can also be serialized. 'First rights' (if my memory serves me well, though it may be outdated) brings in royalties not just for publishing, but also a smaller amount from any derivative work or adaptations. The publisher gets a cut too, and this motivates them to promote and sell the book.

You need to research your market, and the publishers who cater to that market. You need to network, make and find contacts and also examine the output of that publisher.

You might like to invest in books like The Market or The Writers and Artists Yearbook which gives you lots of useful information, particularly on copyright, taxation, formats, a list of publishers.

Get to know the correct formats for your MSS (manuscripts) and what publishers require. They get tons of manuscripts, and if it isn't within their requirements it goes to the shredder, recycling, or waste bin. If you mail anything to anyone include return postage. Be patient when it comes to replies.

Literary agents probably don't matter, as there's no established audience and most will want a reading fee if you don't have an established audience or readership.

Generally speaking publishers will want to see any or all of the following:

Synopsis - what the book is about in a few paragraphs. That what is written on the back cover of a book is generally formed from the synopsis.
Outline - the structure of the book.
Sample chapter - a sample of part of the book.
Bio - info on who wrote the book, etc.
Schedule - when the full book (first draft) is to be completed.
MSS or manuscript - the complete book.

My opinion is to avoid vanity publishers. It's not necessary now with the Internet - you have the option of self-publishing. You can find your own bookbinder if you want a book, but you can also publish in PDF, open an account with Amazon dot com, PayPal and do it all yourself.

With regards to software I would avoid using anything Microsoft and consider using alternatives such as WordPerfect, LibreOffice or OpenOffice. MS Office can become unstable once you go beyond 50 pages or so.

You might also consider using Tex, LaTex which is a document processor with inbuilt typesetting. You just type in the content and these programs format it all for you, paragraphs, headings, page numbers, everything.

This is off the top of my head and may be corrected by someone who actually works in publishing or who has been published.

I'm meeting the organizers of LAM (London Alternative Market) in the next few days, I can ask them and if they have anything useful I will come back and post it or send you a PM.

It might be in the UK but does it matter where it gets published?

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