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tazzygirl -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 11:04:43 AM)
Depends on if he knew the family was at home?

servantforuse -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 11:29:12 AM)
I don't know why that would matter.

Hillwilliam -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 11:42:58 AM)
Here's the charges I see just off hand and I'm sure others can add theirs. He has a police record in 3 states so if one is a felony, we have posession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Discharging a firearm into an occupied building (even if the first family isnt home, the staff is) Transport of a firearm across state lines for commission of a felony. If it was a fully auto AK we have more but most AK knockoffs you can easily buy are semi auto. Posession of said weapon in DC. (DC has about the strictest gun laws and one of the highest urban crime rates of any large US city) Discharge in the city limits. Discharge near pedestrians. Property damage. At least one count of assault with a deadly weapon for every round fired (there were apparently several and 2 hit the WH). I'm sure there are a bunch more. Can anyone else think of others? Bottom line is this idiot hopefully won't see daylight for a while.

servantforuse -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 12:22:41 PM)
He was just charged with attempted assassination. It seems that his doughters were there with their grandmother. Seems appropriate to me.

Real0ne -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 1:20:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Here's the charges I see just off hand and I'm sure others can add theirs. He has a police record in 3 states so if one is a felony, we have posession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Where does it say in the constitution that a convicted felon cannot own and bear arms? Hmm? Discharging a firearm into an occupied building (even if the first family isnt home, the staff is) Well as I stated 10 counts of paint murder and attempted brick murder. Transport of a firearm across state lines for commission of a felony. Ah lets not forget mind reading. You knew the purpose was to commit a felony and kill paint. If it was a fully auto AK we have more but most AK knockoffs you can easily buy are semi auto. Posession of said weapon in DC. (DC has about the strictest gun laws and one of the highest urban crime rates of any large US city) huh? So congress shall make no law, wait you mean make all laws abriding right? Discharge in the city limits. Yep add attempted city limits murder to the case! Discharge near pedestrians. Yep peds too! Damn this guy tried to murder a lot of shit! Property damage. Yeh I said that. At least one count of assault with a deadly weapon for every round fired (there were apparently several and 2 hit the WH). Yeh assault on the fucking building LMAO I'm sure there are a bunch more. Can anyone else think of others? Bottom line is this idiot hopefully won't see daylight for a while. yeh all of which violate his rights. I already said that "legitimate" charges are property damage. All that other shit is speculation and typical bullshit.

SternSkipper -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 1:25:23 PM)
quote: Authorities are investigating the man's mental health and say there are indications he believed attacking the White House was part of a personal mission from God And this clown doesn't even know any decent musicians.

Real0ne -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 1:49:12 PM)
theres no need for a trial the news media already has that taken care of for us, fuck how much better can life be eh? Details Emerge About Suspect Who Fired Shots at White House The suspect, not who allegedly fired but who did fire..... Published November 17, 2011 WASHINGTON – A man clad in black that did it a man in black fucker is guilty! who was obsessed fuck and he was obssessed too! Holy fuck-a-buck-a-rama! with President Barack Obama pulled his car within view I cnat wait to hear the news "testimony" on that! of the White House at night and fired shots from an assault rifle, there we have it FUCKING GUILTY! cracking a window of the first family's living quarters while the president was away, authorities said about their still-developing investigation. Wow awesome shot who was the spotter? The U.S. Secret Service found two bullets had hit the White House and agents caught up with Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez in Pennsylvania on Wednesday after a four-day search. when did those bullets hit that whaite house? Police arrested the 21-year-old Idaho man at a hotel after a desk clerk recognized his picture. Ortega is scheduled to make his first appearance at 2 p.m. Thursday in federal court in Pittsburgh and many questions remained about his motive GUILTY BASTARD!!! and background. GUILTY BASTARD lets skip the bullshit of a trial and just draw and quarter the bastard and be done with it Authorities are investigating the word of God is about to speak! the man's mental health and say there are indications he believed attacking the White House was part of a personal mission from God, according to two different law enforcement officials who spoke with The Associated Press. There are also indications the man had become obsessed with Obama they can tell because he had nudies and they had his jizz all over them! and the White House, attempted paint and brick murder! according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. No shit, time for a fioa and let the torts begin. According to a Secret Service statement earlier Wednesday, law enforcement found one bullet that smashed a window at the White House before being stopped by a second layer of "ballistic glass." Another round was found outside the White House. The Secret Service said the damage "has not been conclusively connected" to the shooting. Hmm that does it we need to make a law that bans all people from going into washington! "An assessment of the exterior of the White House is ongoing," the Secret Service said. Fox News learned that the FBI joined the investigation on Tuesday at the request of the Secret Service and U.S. Park Police. The FBI has extensive expertise in evidence creating gathering, which could explain why the agency was called in to assist. Law enforcement for days had been searching for Ortega-Hernandez. He has a record of arrests in Idaho, Utah and Texas, according to MyFoxDC. Thatll teach him for not paying his fucking parking tickets! Park Police originally obtained an arrest warrant for Ortega-Hernandez after discovering an AK-47-style rifle in an abandoned car Friday night. The car was found after Secret Service officers heard shots being fired between two vehicles about a half-mile from the White House. U.S. Park Police spokesman Sgt. David Schlosser said Sunday that officers had obtained an arrest warrant for the suspect on a felony charge WTF???? of carrying a dangerous weapon, in connection with the incident. President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama were in California at the time of the shooting, before traveling to Hawaii for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum. Not a very well planned operation heh? News of the bullets' discovery broke shortly after the president landed in Australia for a brief 27-hour visit. Not a shooting but bullets discovery eh? Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/16/bullet-hit-white-house-window-secret-service-confirms/#ixzz1e04hlWwd what a fucking stage and watch the ass hats dance to the music. funny shit.

SternSkipper -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 2:11:10 PM)
quote: He has a record of arrests in Idaho, Utah and Texas, according to MyFoxDC. Thatll teach him for not paying his fucking parking tickets! Has somebody been missing around here lately?

tazzygirl -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 2:22:47 PM)
lol

lovmuffin -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 5:10:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl If its automatic, its a crime to simply transport across state lines. If it's automatic possession it's illegal period unless the gun is registered.

thompsonx -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 5:16:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Here's the charges I see just off hand and I'm sure others can add theirs. He has a police record in 3 states so if one is a felony, we have posession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Some states return your gun priviledges after you serve your felony time, some even if the felony was a violent felony.

lovmuffin -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 5:22:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Here's the charges I see just off hand and I'm sure others can add theirs. He has a police record in 3 states so if one is a felony, we have posession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Where does it say in the constitution that a convicted felon cannot own and bear arms? Hmm? Discharging a firearm into an occupied building (even if the first family isnt home, the staff is) Well as I stated 10 counts of paint murder and attempted brick murder. Transport of a firearm across state lines for commission of a felony. Ah lets not forget mind reading. You knew the purpose was to commit a felony and kill paint. If it was a fully auto AK we have more but most AK knockoffs you can easily buy are semi auto. Posession of said weapon in DC. (DC has about the strictest gun laws and one of the highest urban crime rates of any large US city) huh? So congress shall make no law, wait you mean make all laws abriding right? Discharge in the city limits. Yep add attempted city limits murder to the case! Discharge near pedestrians. Yep peds too! Damn this guy tried to murder a lot of shit! Property damage. Yeh I said that. At least one count of assault with a deadly weapon for every round fired (there were apparently several and 2 hit the WH). Yeh assault on the fucking building LMAO I'm sure there are a bunch more. Can anyone else think of others? Bottom line is this idiot hopefully won't see daylight for a while. yeh all of which violate his rights. I already said that "legitimate" charges are property damage. All that other shit is speculation and typical bullshit. Good Grief RealOne..... Get real. I'm a second amendment type but I don't think there are many of us who advocate shooting up the white house. The laws that go after this nut job seem reasonable to me. Ex felons lose many of there constitutional rights because of their past crimes all of which can be reinstated by law. The right to own and carry a small arm doesn't give a person the right to shoot up the white house or anyone elses house. Hell you don't even need a gun to get into double dutch, all you have to do is threaten the president. And you make light of it by joking about assault on a building..........but I know you're just kidding .....right ?

Hillwilliam -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 5:24:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Here's the charges I see just off hand and I'm sure others can add theirs. He has a police record in 3 states so if one is a felony, we have posession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Some states return your gun priviledges after you serve your felony time, some even if the felony was a violent felony. You are absolutely correct but I think he did the shooting on his 21st birthday according to the article (I may have misread) and most states require more time to pass than a couple of years before returning your rights. I have a friend about my age who decided he was Butch Cassidy at age 19 and just now got his rights back. He has been out of jail for 25 years or more. I would find it interesting if he was a convicted felon and free with rights returned on his 21st birthday because of the timing.

thompsonx -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 5:33:26 PM)
There was a discussion about this on npr which I was listening to on the way to town this afternoon. They did not list all of the states that do this. They did say that it varied state by state. I believe it was washington state which returned gun rights to a convicted violent felon after five years of playing nice. Bad reception and a broken speaker kept me from some of the discussion. It came as a surprise to me as I was under the impression that it was an absolute. They said it came about in te 80's as a result of some lobying by he nra which caused the fed to relax it's grip and allow the states more latitude in this matter.

Hillwilliam -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 5:39:28 PM)
I don't know about Washington but here in TN which is a REALLY big time gun state, it is taken on a case by case basis. Sorry, but I don't keep up with other states (noone not a federal attorney can). I can barely keep track of the ones I've lived in a lot (FL and TN). If the guy was 21, the odds of him playing nice for 5 years are kinda slim.

TheHeretic -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 7:13:34 PM)
Chill out, Hill. I have the homophobe in a time out right now, so I wasn't replying to him anyway, just to the state of the larger discussion. I heard an initial report that the shooter had been in the OWS camp, and riffed on it with the photo (where he would blend seamlessly into the crowd). There are jackasses still happy to run with the wildass speculation about Loughner from the opening craziness, and I'm rarely going to miss an opportunity to have a wee bit of fun with what goes around, coming back around. You'll forgive me if I don't regard this as some terrifying close call for our President, and his family though. Nutcases do what nutcases do, and if that building can be penetrated by a random round of gunfire, then the whole damn Secret Service needs to be fired. I don't imagine anything less than an armour piercing tank round would do more than scuff the paint, and I have a good imagination

Hillwilliam -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 7:19:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Chill out, Hill. I have the homophobe in a time out right now, so I wasn't replying to him anyway, just to the state of the larger discussion. I heard an initial report that the shooter had been in the OWS camp, and riffed on it with the photo (where he would blend seamlessly into the crowd). There are jackasses still happy to run with the wildass speculation about Loughner from the opening craziness, and I'm rarely going to miss an opportunity to have a wee bit of fun with what goes around, coming back around. You'll forgive me if I don't regard this as some terrifying close call for our President, and his family though. Nutcases do what nutcases do, and if that building can be penetrated by a random round of gunfire, then the whole damn Secret Service needs to be fired. I don't imagine anything less than an armour piercing tank round would do more than scuff the paint, and I have a good imagination You'll see that I figured it was a nutcase. I'll agree that it would take a minimum of an RPG round to penetrate the WH. I'm also thinking heads will roll on the SS because of the lag time between "Shots fired" and "They shot at us" WTF was it? 4 days or something. I was just getting tired of debates on traffic cameras or some such turning into "Owser vs Teabagger deathmatch".

lovmuffin -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 7:23:53 PM)
One question that I haven't seen answered here and forgive me if I'm too lazy to look for it myself but what evidence or probable cause is there that points to this guy or warrants his arrest ?

tazzygirl -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 7:26:03 PM)
Park Police originally obtained an arrest warrant for Ortega-Hernandez after discovering an AK-47-style rifle in an abandoned car Friday night. The car was found after Secret Service officers heard shots being fired between two vehicles about a half-mile from the White House. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/16/bullet-hit-white-house-window-secret-service-confirms/#ixzz1e1XZxrCS Reading really helps.

Hillwilliam -> RE: White House shooting (11/17/2011 7:35:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Park Police originally obtained an arrest warrant for Ortega-Hernandez after discovering an AK-47-style rifle in an abandoned car Friday night. The car was found after Secret Service officers heard shots being fired between two vehicles about a half-mile from the White House. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/16/bullet-hit-white-house-window-secret-service-confirms/#ixzz1e1XZxrCS Reading really helps. Yaknow, taz, I read the article and it was really light on how they developed the case against this guy. The only thing I can figure is he had left an electronic trail (emails, chat rants, etc) and the SS was onto him as a 'possible nutcase'. Another alternative is witness descriptions but I have a feeling that what tied it was they found the gun and pulled prints. As he had priors, his prints would be accessible rather easily on the federal database. Lift prints off the gun. Scan em into the machine, wait 10 seconds DINGGGGG. You have a suspect's name and mugshot.

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