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SuzeQ -> RE: ideas for leftist humiliation (11/22/2011 11:11:57 AM)

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I was specifically referring to asking someone if they've been saved as part of her humiliation.
Once again, why? How is it different? Other than that it touches on religion. Is what we do with our surveys for the boards crossing the line?



SuzeQ -> RE: ideas for christian humiliation (11/22/2011 11:14:04 AM)

How would you?



LaTigresse -> RE: ideas for christian humiliation (11/22/2011 11:16:53 AM)

I think for most of us it really is very subjective and personal.

I think that the way we treat celeb is vile. Imposing our voyeurism onto them, even when they are not performing. Yet  most of us do not think a thing about buying a supermarket magazine that supports that. And we justify our intrusion into their personal life because they are celebs.......but really? That means that we are entitled to seeing pictures taken of them, when they thought they were enjoying a moment of privacy, through a telephoto lens?

I think that the idea of some guy at the grocery, mall, where ever, following me around getting a woody and using something about me he saw as a reason to jack off later is totally fucking creepy. BUT.......if some gorgeous young college girl was doing the same, I doubt I would be as creeped out. Neither is illegal and the morality is subjective.

So I think based upon the lack of concretely solid reasons for any one of us feeling the way we do, I can only think that our reaction as to whether or not it's okay or no.......whatever 'it' is in this discussion, is just too emotion based rather than reasonable in a more factually legal or not, kinda way.

That all being said........fuck all, there is no damned way we will all agree. There are too many back grounds, differences in morality and values, to even come close. What is perfectly 'right' and acceptable to me very likely isn't going to match up with any other one person here. I can't agree with either side of the debate all the way through. I would want to verbally bitch slap anyone that approached me to draw me into their kinky fun just as much as I would some bible thumper. But the first not for any moral reason but because I don't like feeling used. And THAT is how it would make me feel.

I am not here to provide whank fodder for anyone.



SuzeQ -> RE: ideas for christian humiliation (11/22/2011 11:18:06 AM)

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As a Christian I find the whole thing extremly offencive.The symbol of the cross is not there for you to embrass you sub with
And there we have it in a nut shell. Finally somebody has the guts to say it outright.

Thanks Collarboy1, you have just made perhaps the best possible 1st post in my opinion. Welcome to the boards, I hope you continue to post so honestly in the future. But be prepared to take some flack over it.



Kaliko -> RE: ideas for leftist humiliation (11/22/2011 11:20:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SuzeQ

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I was specifically referring to asking someone if they've been saved as part of her humiliation.
Once again, why? How is it different? Other than that it touches on religion. Is what we do with our surveys for the boards crossing the line?



Once again, I've answered that already. And it has nothing to do with religion.



LaTigresse -> RE: ideas for leftist humiliation (11/22/2011 11:22:07 AM)

Surveys crossing the line? I don't get that one either.



tazzygirl -> RE: ideas for christian humiliation (11/22/2011 11:26:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SuzeQ

How would you?


How would I? You think someone coming up and asking for a blessing on water, recieving that blessing, then being told its to "Grow their own Garden of Eden" wouldnt be a clue?

A man walks up with a woman in a little school girls outfit.. he asks you.. "dont see look cute"? You agree. Then the conversation continues, how much of a good girl she is,, how sweet she is.. how she makes her Daddy so proud.. at some point, the bystander begins to feel.. uncomfortable. Is that "cool" with you?

non-kink

A parent is angry with a child, They attempt to pull you into it by asking you a question such as... What would you do with a child who just doesnt listen? And the conversation continues, how the parent is upset, how the child is head strong.. eventually you will begin to feel.. uncomfortable. And, yes, I have been in those situations.

There are all sorts of way... all sorts of scenarios....

My question to you is... is this "cool"? Is it ok to pull you into their drama, regardless of the source of the "drama"?



tazzygirl -> RE: ideas for christian humiliation (11/22/2011 11:27:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SuzeQ

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As a Christian I find the whole thing extremly offencive.The symbol of the cross is not there for you to embrass you sub with
And there we have it in a nut shell. Finally somebody has the guts to say it outright.

Thanks Collarboy1, you have just made perhaps the best possible 1st post in my opinion. Welcome to the boards, I hope you continue to post so honestly in the future. But be prepared to take some flack over it.


Hmmm.. and since I do not follow a religion, how do I fit into that "nutshell"? Many here have admitted they dont follow a religion, yet they are not agreeing with you.

Blows your "nutshell" theory.



JstAnotherSub -> RE: ideas for christian humiliation (11/22/2011 11:28:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lookingforyou123

I have a girlfriend who has assumed a submissive role in our relationship.  She is against religion yet I have gotten her to wear a cross for me at all times.  She hides it around people we know but I make her wear it in public when we don't think we will run into anyone.  Can anyone think of any other types of things I can do to further the humiliation?
Honestly, if she hides it from folks they know, which would, to me, be where it could be humiliating, how the hell is it going to be humiliating to her at any other place?  Folks that know her would know it went against her core beliefs, strangers wouldn't have a clue.

I think the OP was a drive by shit stirrer, although, there have been some great replies here that make ya think a bit.



SuzeQ -> RE: ideas for christian humiliation (11/22/2011 11:30:17 AM)

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So you believe they are wrong. And that gives you the right to be just as wrong. What is those who you are exposing have never once approached anyone asking them anything? Is that still "cool" then?
I didn't say anything about being wrong, my point is that without knowing that the person asking me is doing it for humiliation purposes, they are just another street Christian bothering passersby. I have never once approached anyone asking them about their religious beliefs, yet they ask me, and when I am with one of the others and we are holding hands we are bombarded by them. We are informed of the sinfulness of our ways regularly.

You said handing out tracts or asking if they have been saved would impose embarassement, upset or humiliation on the unaware public if it is done for humiliation purposes, I wondered if you think it imposes those things on the unaware public if it is done for some other reason, say as penance?

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I understand you and the girls would be upset with someone forcing their "beliefs upon any of you. That in no way excuses you to do the same. Why? Because you already know that its "not cool", and your excuse comes across as petty.
What beliefs would be forced on anybody by the actions in question?

And, since you want to make this personal, what beliefs have we forced on anybody? Why are others allowed to force their beliefs on us? And really now, who looks petty here? I don't see you accusing Roch of being petty, just me, and all I have done is ask some questions.

Sooner or later in any discussion any of us are involved in on these boards somebody with a weak position will come out with a gratuitous "I understand that for you and the girls...." remark, followed up by some low jab or other designed to insult or demean.

Personally I take that as a sure sign that that person has just forfeited the argument in their own mind.



GreedyTop -> RE: ideas for christian humiliation (11/22/2011 11:33:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

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ORIGINAL: lookingforyou123

I have a girlfriend who has assumed a submissive role in our relationship. She is against religion yet I have gotten her to wear a cross for me at all times.  She hides it around people we know but I make her wear it in public when we don't think we will run into anyone.  Can anyone think of any other types of things I can do to further the humiliation?
Honestly, if she hides it from folks they know, which would, to me, be where it could be humiliating, how the hell is it going to be humiliating to her at any other place? Folks that know her would know it went against her core beliefs, strangers wouldn't have a clue.I think the OP was a drive by shit stirrer, although, there have been some great replies here that make ya think a bit.



re: bolded.

Yep.

(edited because I fucked it up every which way to sunday at first. )

(let's add another few fucks to that cluster... DAMMIT!!)



JstAnotherSub -> RE: ideas for christian humiliation (11/22/2011 11:36:40 AM)

I think that the thread below is comparable to this one, on having beliefs forced on you.  There were many strong replies there.  So, walking up to someone to "witness" to them, or handing out religious stuff does offend a helluva lot of folks, kink or not.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3901173/tm.htm



SuzeQ -> RE: ideas for christian humiliation (11/22/2011 11:37:36 AM)

I'm sorry Lilly, but you analogy isn't apt at all. Its not just that they wouldn't know, they wouldn't be in any way harmed or affected by it. It really is no different than Heather and I holding hands on the street. there are people who will object to that, surely you're not suggesting we shouldn't do that are you? there are people who will find you holding hands with a white person objectionable, should you not do it?
You are OK with doing subjecting the public to somethings that they will find overtly objectionable, but not to subjecting them to things they will not even be aware of.
Don't you see the problem with that position?



SuzeQ -> RE: ideas for leftist humiliation (11/22/2011 11:39:27 AM)

And asking "have you been saved" or handing out pamphlets. How is that different from the WWJD shirt or the cross?



GreedyTop -> RE: ideas for christian humiliation (11/22/2011 11:39:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

I think that the thread below is comparable to this one, on having beliefs forced on you.  There were many strong replies there.  So, walking up to someone to "witness" to them, or handing out religious stuff does offend a helluva lot of folks, kink or not.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3901173/tm.htm




without checking that thread, Jsta.. I can guarantee that it offends the fuck outta me and many of my (real time, face to face) friends. again.. MY relationship with GOD is NOBODIES biz but my own, and my God.


*stopping there, because I LIKE the Mods and do not want them to work harder because of me*



tazzygirl -> RE: ideas for leftist humiliation (11/22/2011 11:43:18 AM)

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And asking "have you been saved" or handing out pamphlets. How is that different from the WWJD shirt or the cross?


How do you feel when you are asked?



SuzeQ -> RE: ideas for leftist humiliation (11/22/2011 11:43:31 AM)

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Once again, I've answered that already.
Once again, you haven't. You have stated categorically that it is wrong and disrespectful without ever once offering a single reason why it is.

I will repeat my question, do you think what we do with our surveys is disrespectful?



LillyBoPeep -> RE: ideas for christian humiliation (11/22/2011 11:44:21 AM)

I think the problem is that some of us are talking about the wackier examples, while others are talking about something else because of supposedly "appropriate topic drift." People are subjected to things that bother them every day -- some of those things they have a right to be upset about, and others they don't. People generally think they have a right to never be offended, period, which isn't true. You, however, are within your rights to show affection to a partner by holding hands. Someone can be indignant about that, but it doesn't harm them and it's none of their business.

However, going into a church confessional dressed as a sluttly school girl is over-the-top and harmful to people who are in their own space, i.e. their church, during a time that is important and special to them.

Having a girl carry a Bible, wear a cross, or wear a WWJD shirt, none of that stuff affects anyone or harms anyone. The majority of people wouldn't even notice her, and if they did, they wouldn't be able to see "oh, she's using my religion as humiliation" because it's not something that would be broadcast. Really, only people who knew how anti-religion she really was would know that anything "funny" was going on there.

But going into their space and making a mockery of something that's important to them -- engaging them and making them part of it -- that's wrong.





SuzeQ -> RE: ideas for leftist humiliation (11/22/2011 11:46:29 AM)

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Surveys crossing the line? I don't get that one either.
We are, by the standards being used in this thread, imposing the kinks of the entire board on the unconsenting public. or do you really think that the bulk of the membership didn't get a kick out of the idea of the three of us approaching random guys to ask them their opinion of being buttfucked with a strap on?



tazzygirl -> RE: ideas for christian humiliation (11/22/2011 11:48:14 AM)

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You said handing out tracts or asking if they have been saved would impose embarassement, upset or humiliation on the unaware public if it is done for humiliation purposes, I wondered if you think it imposes those things on the unaware public if it is done for some other reason, say as penance?


To humiliate the public, suze. And I stand by that.

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And, since you want to make this personal, what beliefs have we forced on anybody? Why are others allowed to force their beliefs on us? And really now, who looks petty here? I don't see you accusing Roch of being petty, just me, and all I have done is ask some questions.


You look petty. Look at what you wrote?

Why are others allowed to force their beliefs on us?

Force... which is what you would be doing by pulling someone in public into a humiliation scene. When do you have the right to include anyone non=consensually?

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Sooner or later in any discussion any of us are involved in on these boards somebody with a weak position will come out with a gratuitous "I understand that for you and the girls...." remark, followed up by some low jab or other designed to insult or demean.

Personally I take that as a sure sign that that person has just forfeited the argument in their own mind.


In your own mind, you may assume whatever you wish, if it helps you feel better. In this case, its far from the truth. You have repeatedly made the claim about others being "in your face" "being forced"?

Ask yourself this... what if you end up doing to another atheist what you are complaining about having done to you?



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