TheHeretic
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Time to waste my time, I suppose.
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
And that the science, and efforts to do something about the issue, have been hijacked to serve a sociopolitical agenda that has nothing to do with the environment is blatantly obvious to anyone capable of opening their eyes.
My! My! i wonder what this "sociopolitical agenda that has nothing to do with the environment " might be. Here, the claim that climate change science is a "left wing conspiracy to re-distribute wealth" is commonly offered by those who oppose action on climate change as said "sociopolitical agenda that has nothing to do with the environment ".
Doesn't that claim have it all - sinister conspiracies, devious leftists subverting knowledge science and the path of righteousness, an appeal to base instincts ("they're going to steal your wealth") creeping covert socialism ..... The only thing missing is a skerrig of evidence to back it up. Such a shame that this paranoid fantasy has nothing to do with fact, reality or climate change. No one needs to dress up the need to re-distribute wealth behind any fancy climate change theories. All we need do is point to reality - The OWS movement has made clear how the 1% owns so much and the 99% own so little.
So I do hope that the "sociopolitical agenda that has nothing to do with the environment" you're referring to has a bit more substance than this discredited drivel. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us and reveal the damning details of this 'conspiracy". I hope (for your sake) it's a bit more credible than the usual nonsense trotted out by climate change deniers from the looney Right.
So let's hear you outline just what this agenda is, who is behind it, and how it hopes to achieve its 'goals'. Supporting evidence, (NOT the usual wild unsubstantiated claims and deluded looney Right fantasies) IS required.
First off, Tweak, an agenda is not automatically a grand conspiracy (why yes, after savoring the delight of prolonging your squirming and squealing for attention, I'm now going to give you a ruined orgasm), so all of this;
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sinister conspiracies, devious leftists subverting knowledge science and the path of righteousness, an appeal to base instincts ("they're going to steal your wealth") creeping covert socialism .....
is just your own projections, which aren't my problem. The agenda is the accumulation of power and/or money. It is straightforward, plain, and quite simple. You've been repeatedly challenging a snip of my statement all along here, and not once have you addressed the whole sentence. It is right there, for anyone capable of opening their eyes. I don't think you are, which is why I consider giving you a response such a waste of time.
Did you, by any chance, bother to read the comment, and the particular email I quoted when I joined the conversation in the thread?
I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.
There are a couple ways we could read that. Whether he means "all our sakes" in the sense of the scientific community dependent on global warming for the next grant and the preservation of their own credibility, or in the broader sense of humanity at large, the author of that email clearly understands that other, counterproductive, forces are in play, and in control.
I promised you I'd pull up something to read, so here you go.
http://www.american.com/archive/2010/july/science-turns-authoritarian
That's the agenda that doesn't have anything to do with the environment, Tweak. Power. You want to see the money? Google up Al Gore's financials, or the Solyndra debacle for yourself.
Now, it's interesting that you would bring up the OWS protesters, because there is an interesting similarity between the environazis and the campers - all sorts of passion, but no real clue what to do about it. Have a read of this as well, from a greenie;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/02/environmental-fixes-all-greens-lost
and the follow up to the column, on his blog;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2011/may/05/green-problem-environmentalism
There's nothing we can actually do, but we'd all be better off as sheep in a stable-state economy anyway, so let's keep the ball rolling in that direction from this horse, for a while.
So there you are, Tweak. I hope it was anticlimactic. Don't bother replying to this, without first addressing the question I raised to the thread, and have directed to you more than once.
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