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nyphylim -> A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 9:32:20 AM)

I seek the views of people who study religion and not those "blinded by faith". I am Jewish and have been on my path for quite a while. I studied many religions and felt most comfortable with the faith of my grandfather. Recently I was out picking and came across a statue of the Hindu goddess Kali. She imediatly spoke to me in a way I have not felt in a long time. Some would say she chose me. Now I have a ton of Jewish things about my room with a Kali statue in the window by my bed. My path directs me to not worship another god but my connection is so strong with Kali. Any advise?




BoxwineForBrunch -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 9:37:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: nyphylim

I seek the views of people who study religion and not those "blinded by faith". I am Jewish and have been on my path for quite a while. I studied many religions and felt most comfortable with the faith of my grandfather. Recently I was out picking and came across a statue of the Hindu goddess Kali. She imediatly spoke to me in a way I have not felt in a long time. Some would say she chose me. Now I have a ton of Jewish things about my room with a Kali statue in the window by my bed. My path directs me to not worship another god but my connection is so strong with Kali. Any advise?


you seem to be worried the statue of kali is clashing with your jewish accessories. don't fret, bro. eclectic is hip. buy a ralph lauren polo bear comforter for your bed and call it a day.






laborboleta -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 9:44:18 AM)

I know many people who are Jewish by birth and identification but also embrace one of the Eastern faiths and are very comfortable with that. It seems to be fairly common. Anyway, your connection doesn't necessarily equate to worship, does it? Maybe just admiration? Or esthetic appreciation?




LillyBoPeep -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 9:45:05 AM)

I grew up pretty old-fashioned and very religious, but eventually abandoned it. I consider myself to be a spiritual person, but with no affiliation. However, a friend gave me a beautiful statue of Sarasvati, which sits on my painting table, towards mt head when I sleep. She resonates with me and I don't have an issue with that. I permit myself to feel important thinngs, wherever they may originate from.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 9:45:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: nyphylim

Some would say she chose me. ..... Any advise?


psychopharmacology might help.




DarkSteven -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 9:50:42 AM)

First piece of adice I would give you is to study what Kali actually is.  Without that, you're a Jew with a funky statue.  How can you have a strong connection with an inanimate object?

I'm confused by how you define religion.  You define it by the Jewish things you have in your room and the Hindu thing by the window.  I define it by worship, regular attendance, and what life you live.






kalikshama -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 10:01:56 AM)

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I know many people who are Jewish by birth and identification but also embrace one of the Eastern faiths and are very comfortable with that. It seems to be fairly common.


According to Wikepedia, less than 2% of the US population is Jewish yet I would estimate 30% of the ashram where I spent two years to have been Jewish. (We celebrated the Jewish High Holidays, so this came up regularly. As we also celebrated Hindu holidays, we did lots of celebrating :)

I also identify with some aspects of Kali, and Kshama (hence my nic.)




laborboleta -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 10:02:32 AM)

Funny thing about Judaism; there are many people who are not at all religious or are even anti-religious, who identify with being Jewish. It's much more than a religion, it's a community identity. I *feel* Jewish even in the absence of a synagogue membership. I identify with other Jews in a way that I don't with other people; a sort of recognition of kinship if you will. Similar to finding out that someone's grandparents came from the same little town as yours. I have Jewish friends who are Buddhist or Wicca but still retain their Jewishness.




LillyBoPeep -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 10:32:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama



I also identify with some aspects of Kali,


Same here




nyphylim -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 12:52:18 PM)

DarkSteve Maybe it has yet to sink in that I knew full well who and what Kali is before I bought the statue. I can empathize well with the Dark Mother. Hence the seeking of educated people and not faith driven fanatics.
Thank you everyone else for your input.




Kirata -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 1:23:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: nyphylim

I seek the views of people who study religion... Recently I was out picking and came across a statue of the Hindu goddess Kali. She imediatly spoke to me in a way I have not felt in a long time. Some would say she chose me... my connection is so strong with Kali. Any advise?

Kali is a dark forms of Sakti. Her Lord is Kala, the Lord of Death, a dark aspect of Siva.

In Jung's formulation, to succeed in the inward journey along the Ego-Self axis, the dark underside of the Ego, the Shadow, must be confronted and passed beyond in order to unite the Ego with the Self. Myths of a dying and resurrected God reprise the same need to pass through and survive the Underworld, to die in order to be reborn, whole, having conquered the barrier that separates the Ego from the Self, the profane from the sacred, the particular from the universal.

Possibly your attraction to Kali is drawing you toward that dark night through which you must pass on your path.

K.




nyphylim -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 2:11:54 PM)

Read too much Freud? lol Sorry. I do see your point but I see her more of the enbodyment of the duality. The id, ego and superego never seemed deep enough to expain the heart of the duality of man. I do enjoy theo/psychological debates thouh.




DarkSteven -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 2:25:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: nyphylim

DarkSteve Maybe it has yet to sink in that I knew full well who and what Kali is before I bought the statue. I can empathize well with the Dark Mother. Hence the seeking of educated people and not faith driven fanatics.
Thank you everyone else for your input.


Reread yer own post.  You address the STATUE of Kali and the Jewish THINGS that are in your room.  Never did you address who she was or what Judaism means to you.

It can't sink into my noggin if it's not mentioned.  Your post did NOT make it clear at all that you knew squat about her, thus my answer.  Any idea why you declined to mention it?




nyphylim -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 3:28:19 PM)

I mentioned that I studied religions for years. Why would I not study every religion I could find information about? I guess I was not clear. I have studied about Kali. Next?




Kirata -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 3:35:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: nyphylim

Read too much Freud?

Most of the Standard Edition actually, but I don't recall him ever going by the name "Jung". [:D]

K.




Kirata -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 3:41:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Any idea why you declined to mention it?

Probably so he could blow off anybody his post suckered into responding.

K.




DarkSteven -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 3:51:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: nyphylim

I mentioned that I studied religions for years.


Crap.  You're right.  I missed that part.  I apologize.




stellauk -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 4:03:07 PM)

Yes.

Everything about you is individual -- your person, your life, your perception, your thoughts, your feelings, and your chosen path through life. So too is everything around you, everything you relate to and everything that relates back to you.. every person, every thought, every day, every hour, every passing minute.

No matter in what direction you are looking, you will always be looking at the centre of the Universe from your perspective. Place yourself mentally there where you are looking and look back, and you will be doing the same. Therefore wherever you look in whatever direction you are seeing yourself.

When you understand that whatever you see when you look is part of you and when you invert the relationship you see the same you are half way to understanding what is necessary for you to understand.

Everything is relative, you are relative, therefore the only change possible is to work to expand, or increase your awareness, perception and understanding of all that what is relative - both within you and without you.

It is relative because there is polarity in everything - for example light and dark, truth and illusion, day and night, good and evil and it is such to facilitate that progression, or increase in awareness, understanding and perception.

To do this you need to embrace the illusion and examine it, and look for what is relative to it, and what isn't, and to go away and come back to see what remains the same and what changes. That what you perceive and on what you feel confident that you can base your perception on, or your assumptions, is commonly regarded as the truth, reality.

This is also where you need to disconnect, to walk away, to meditate, isolate, separate yourself from all that is relative between you and Kali and what is communicated.

This is because Kali is a symbol, of which it is somehow communicated to you that this is both relative and important to you. But you are relative to such thoughts, which are relative to you, and you need to be able to transcend that relationship to arrive at the change which determines that what is illusion and that what you can accept as the truth.

If meditation at a given moment in time escapes you, then you need to find something with constant change on which to focus in order to disconnect and transcend those thoughts.

A body of water is good for this, as are clouds, or anything which offers enough perceptible change to focus on the sensory input to bring about the disconnect and be able to transcend.

I hope this helps.




Kirata -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 4:05:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Crap. You're right. I missed that part. I apologize.

I still think you had a point. Studying doesn't equate to learning anything. If he really knew half as much as he's pretending to know, he would have no need for the advice he requested.

K.







nyphylim -> RE: A Jew with a choice. (11/27/2011 6:14:10 PM)

I am seeking help with the internal conflict of my faith and the change that I am now living with. I have understanding about both but am torn. Now I respect the Victorian age but Freud's ideas are a bit dated. I am far from his study subjects.




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