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MstrPBK -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 4:03:24 PM)
I have for many years advocated for my slaves to work. Not just because of the economy but for their own financial safety. In my case my slaves work outside of the home during the day, and then also work pro bono on MY own project with the goal of making the household totally self-supporting. I admit this is a ambitious goal; and most slaves run in the other direction when they fully realize what I present. MOST 24/7 slaves demonstrait themselves as not really wanting that lifestyle. My door continued to be open for those rare breed slaves with computer technical skills (see profile). MstrPBK St. Paul, MN USA

kalikshama -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 4:07:36 PM)
quote: chilling? I dunno about other women but when I was a wife I didn't do too much chillin..there was a baby to raise, dishes to wash, laundry to be done, errands to be run, breakfast, lunch and dinner to be cooked, a house to be cleaned and then making sure everyone had everything they needed for their day to run smoothly. It was nice to be able to have me stay home to make sure life ran smoothly for everyone so that when he came home from work he didn't have to worry about anything and he was able to simply relax instead of having to make his own dinner, run his own shower, look for anything he needed, etc...I was the family organizer and planner. My Mom stayed home and raised three kids, grew an extensive vegetable garden, and kept two goats which needed to be milked twice per day, etc, etc. No chilling for her either! Oh, and she prefers to not use a clothes dryer, so there was all that extra work with the clothes line, too.

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 4:14:28 PM)
My grandma stayed home, ran the business when Grandpa was away, raised 5 kids, did laundry, kept the house, fed cattle. Not a whole lot of chillin' there. :p

kalikshama -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 4:20:43 PM)
quote: What is your opinion on a Master requiring a slave to work outside the Household ? I am finding that a lot of slaves want 24/7 live in but want to be kept. What's the age range of these slaves? I work, go to school, or volunteer, sometimes in combinations. In the absence of children or a complicated household, there's really not enough to do to keep someone occupied. If Master is a CEO type who requires a personal assistant and slave is qualified, that's a great fit.

Baroana -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 4:34:18 PM)
It is my opinion that if my slave doesn't have a job, then he's not serving me. I'm serving him.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 4:54:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Baroana It is my opinion that if my slave doesn't have a job, then he's not serving me. I'm serving him. That appears to put a great deal of emphasis on the financial aspects. While I agree everyone needs to do what works best for them, it seems that most slaves who don't have an out of the home job, are still working, keeping the house, etc. It would seem that the biggest problem women have fought for ages, continues to exist to this day, only now may include "house husbands." Supporting a partner through working in the home is still work. It seems we see a big difference between female and male dominants on this issue. While many want their partner to work outside the home, more males expect they will also being working, while a significant number of females seem to think that if their male partner isn't working, then they are somehow serving the sub, putting the primary value of the s-type to be of a monetary nature.

OsideGirl -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 5:02:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady it seems that most slaves who don't have an out of the home job, are still working, keeping the house, etc. Our expectations are that if someone comes to us that is not employed, their job will be maintaining the household. If they come to us and they have a job or school, they would be expected to do a share of the housework. The majority of women we talked to flat out refused to do any housework.

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 5:04:55 PM)
That's baffling to me. :p I like cleaninng. I loved doing the Dude's laundry, even though hauling it upstairs sucked. Haha

tazzygirl -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 5:05:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied People should do whatever works for them in their relationship. That being said, unless he could provide me with health insurance, income and retirement funds, I will keep working, I enjoy being independent and it would be difficult for me to transition to a life where I had to be dependent on another, I think it would be a bad fit for someone like me. I agree. I honestly dont know too many who can live on one income anymore. And, if they can, its typically tight. Nice to see you posting again Katy.

tazzygirl -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 5:08:42 PM)
quote: The majority of women we talked to flat out refused to do any housework. Why didnt I think of that!

Baroana -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 5:49:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: Baroana It is my opinion that if my slave doesn't have a job, then he's not serving me. I'm serving him. That appears to put a great deal of emphasis on the financial aspects. While I agree everyone needs to do what works best for them, it seems that most slaves who don't have an out of the home job, are still working, keeping the house, etc. It would seem that the biggest problem women have fought for ages, continues to exist to this day, only now may include "house husbands." Supporting a partner through working in the home is still work. It seems we see a big difference between female and male dominants on this issue. While many want their partner to work outside the home, more males expect they will also being working, while a significant number of females seem to think that if their male partner isn't working, then they are somehow serving the sub, putting the primary value of the s-type to be of a monetary nature. Cost of living is tremendous these days. Housekeeping is valuable work, but it's part-time work (especially in the small place where I live). Most people do their own housework on evenings and weekends. If I chose, I could pay someone to do my housework for a fraction of my salary. In this day and age, there is seldom any excuse for an adult in a household to not be bringing in money. I don't feel that I should be the only one paying the rent, buying the food, keeping the cars, and so forth. What about health insurance? Either we're married and I'm providing it to him through my job, or we're not married and I have to buy coverage for him to the tune of an arm and a leg. And most importantly, every person needs to make sure that they have the means to take care of themselves financially so that they do not have to depend on someone else. This is not unlike the problem with all the males who tell me they want to be kept locked up in a cage or dungeon. Why, so that I can feed you and clean up after you all the time while you do nothing? Forget it.

DesFIP -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 6:12:45 PM)
Any dominant who demands the sub works 8 hours a day, with a couple of hours commute, and then comes home to do all the housework is a lazy asshole. And unfortunately there are a lot of them. Subs need down time too. Want them in good shape? Then add several hours a week to go to the gym. Which means when they do get in finally at 8:00PM, dinner had better be ready and laundry done. Because if they work 8 plus hours a day elsewhere, they can't add 3 - 4 hours nightly to it without burning out quickly.

Baroana -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 6:54:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Any dominant who demands the sub works 8 hours a day, with a couple of hours commute, and then comes home to do all the housework is a lazy asshole. And unfortunately there are a lot of them. Subs need down time too. Want them in good shape? Then add several hours a week to go to the gym. Which means when they do get in finally at 8:00PM, dinner had better be ready and laundry done. Because if they work 8 plus hours a day elsewhere, they can't add 3 - 4 hours nightly to it without burning out quickly. You just described my life.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 7:34:47 PM)
If one has consented to belong to another under the guise of an M/s dynamic, and that's what the person in charge has ordered, then that's that -- else they can find another if they don't wanna work outside the home.

hausboy -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 7:35:40 PM)
I worked well more than 8+ hrs a day...(as did my ex) and I had a volunteer job on the weekends.....and I still managed to keep the house clean, the yardwork done, the cars washed/cleaned, bills paid and house maintained.... but we had to often schedule time for the two of us to be together with no other 'demands". It was actually really tough now that I think back. For me, a big part of my identity is in based in my job....if my Domme would not want me to work outside the home, I would lose a big and important part of my identity...so maybe that's the whole point, eh? I'll never say never..... if an independently extremely wealthy woman comes along, and wants me to be her full time houseboy.... without any more financial worries and once I complete all of the tasks and chores, I can use the rest of the time to work out, make art, write........I think I might be able to live with that [:D]

LafayetteLady -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 8:06:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady it seems that most slaves who don't have an out of the home job, are still working, keeping the house, etc. Our expectations are that if someone comes to us that is not employed, their job will be maintaining the household. If they come to us and they have a job or school, they would be expected to do a share of the housework. The majority of women we talked to flat out refused to do any housework. I assume you mean they would be living in the household as well? To me, it just seems reasonable that if all people in the house have jobs, then all people have to share some of the household duties. Even though D/s and M/s isn't necessarily "fair," if only one person is doing everything around the house while the other sits around, the one doing the work is going to be too tired to do anything else or they are going to burn out and get sick. Ask any single parent who is working, taking care of their kids and running the house. It would seem that the women you have spoken with were looking for a free ride all around or thought that the "honor" of having them as your (the both of you) sub was enough to not have any responsibility.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 8:18:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Baroana In this day and age, there is seldom any excuse for an adult in a household to not be bringing in money. I don't feel that I should be the only one paying the rent, buying the food, keeping the cars, and so forth. No one said that you should. However, the way you put it does demean those who choose to be a stay at home spouse/parent. You don't want it that way, that's all well and good. quote: What about health insurance? Either we're married and I'm providing it to him through my job, or we're not married and I have to buy coverage for him to the tune of an arm and a leg. Besides the reality that many employers offer coverage for people who live together, still many more companies don't offer benefits at an affordable rate. These are things that people in a relationship need to negotiate together, regardless of a power dynamic. It's something that affects couples of all kinds. quote: And most importantly, every person needs to make sure that they have the means to take care of themselves financially so that they do not have to depend on someone else. Of course they do. However, if I was in a relationship with someone and we weren't married, but it was a long term relationship (meaning lasted for years), I would expect his will to reflect that while I may not have "ownership" of things, I contributed having worked and paid towards those items. My will would reflect the same thing. Because I am not going to be with someone for years, with both of us working and contributing to our household and when he dies, find that everything we worked for together goes to someone else because we had a power dynamic relationship. That would be foolish on the part of ANY s-type. quote: This is not unlike the problem with all the males who tell me they want to be kept locked up in a cage or dungeon. Why, so that I can feed you and clean up after you all the time while you do nothing? Forget it. Well they are just wankers who have fantasies and aren't looking at reality. Anyone who really wants to own something like that should just get a puppy.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 8:25:36 PM)
If I do have a live-in, she better work because with the RE market the way it is, I can barely keep myself up. LOL

Baroana -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 8:26:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: Baroana In this day and age, there is seldom any excuse for an adult in a household to not be bringing in money. I don't feel that I should be the only one paying the rent, buying the food, keeping the cars, and so forth. No one said that you should. However, the way you put it does demean those who choose to be a stay at home spouse/parent. You don't want it that way, that's all well and good. Though I didn't make it explicit, I was excluding parents from my discussion entirely. That's a whole other ball of wax. As for those who choose to be a stay at home spouse without children, yes I fully intended to demean them.

RaspberryLemon -> RE: Slaves that work (11/27/2011 9:03:11 PM)
My Master has specifically stated that he doesn't want me to work outside the home. He prefers to have me take care of the house, cook, clean, run errands, etc. and he likes not worrying about me having to answer to someone other than him. He also views things pretty traditionally in that aspect--he likes the "housewife" ideal. It's especially important to him to have me stay at home because he currently works from home--he wants to have me available to cater to him 24/7. I prefer things like this--I like cooking and cleaning for him, I like being at his beck and call all the time, and I definitely feel more comfortable having him as the only one I need to answer to (no boss at a job.) We do understand that, in the event something happens to him sometime down the road, I will be shit out of luck having no work experience. Hell, it happened to my mom--she left the workforce and spent nearly 20 years as a stay at home mom raising 5 kids, and when she and my dad got divorced, it was incredibly hard for her to get back into the workforce. She'd been gone for ~20 years, her skills were outdated (computer science,) and she had not much on her resume. Taking this into account, my Master is making sure to set funds aside for me in case of an emergency, to make sure I am taken care of if he cannot. However, considering he is my Master, it is his prerogative to decide whether or not I have a job outside the home. If he decides that our financial situation is in a state where we cannot afford to live off of only one person's income, it's his right to tell me if he wants me to get a job. I'd happily obey, but yes, I definitely prefer being at home and I'm glad we both agree on that.

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