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littlewonder -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 12:10:26 PM)
I rarely if ever get intimidated by people. I've only met maybe 3 people in my entire life who do. I have however met a lot of people who are just downright lousy people. When I meet such people I just either ignore them if I'm able to...I don't interact with them or I leave the situation where the person is if I can't avoid that. I just don't deal with conflict. I'd rather find someplace where I feel comfortable around others. If you find this is a reoccurring problem with you though you may want to take a look at yourself and how you come across to people. Re-evaluate your own people skills. Do you come off as shy or unapproachable yourself? Do you come across as way too friendly and touchy/feely? A lot of people don't like that and find it quite annoying. As for the dog you are fostering and it having health problems, when you become a foster you agree to take care of that dog in all ways, including medical. If you cannot afford to do so then the organization will find someone who can do so. She's probably annoyed that you are calling her with your problems instead of simply taking care of the problems. She gave the dog to you assuming you'd take care of it. If you are going to call her she may as well have kept the dog herself. I know I'd get annoyed if someone was always asking me what to do instead of simply doing it.

angelikaJ -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 12:13:28 PM)
Tfb, I think the way we perceive other's perceptions of us is often to our detriment. You are hyper-focusing on the woman because you don't feel at ease with her. The problem with that is when you are around her it is probably all you are seeing. What you aren't seeing is that you are just a small part of things there. She is busy looking after all kinds of things. Your being nervous the other day was probably responsible for the mistakes you made; I say that because I am the same way: I get nervous and lose my focus on what I am doing and become preoccupied with how I am feeling, and then in my being hyper-focused on that I get more nervous or anxious and then mistakes happen. Once I make a mistake it just gets worse until I can ground myself. If I might make a suggestion, I think you might focus on the fact that both you and she ARE on the same side. It is true at the shelter and it is true in regards to caring for Bones. I might also suggest that you initiate a conversation, not about your feelings right now but about the dog you are providing care for. I think a simple statement that you want to provide the best care for Bones and you know that is her concern as well. (Perhaps it was getting a call on a weekend night (yes?) that made her wonder if you were up to the task. Weekend night calls should be reserved for emergencies. Weeping toes could probably have waited till the morning unless the dog was running a temp.) Another thing you can do is learn what you can about basic puppy first aid. How to take a dog's temperature and what a normal temp is. How to clean wounds. The things you absolutely can't give to a dog. I am not suggesting you are doing anything wrong, but most of the things we do can be done better and as with anything there is a learning curve to fostering a dog. You have a therapist, I think? This is a great issue to work with her on.

angelikaJ -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 12:18:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder As for the dog you are fostering and it having health problems, when you become a foster you agree to take care of that dog in all ways, including medical. If you cannot afford to do so then the organization will find someone who can do so. She's probably annoyed that you are calling her with your problems instead of simply taking care of the problems. She gave the dog to you assuming you'd take care of it. If you are going to call her she may as well have kept the dog herself. I know I'd get annoyed if someone was always asking me what to do instead of simply doing it. Different agencies have different policies regarding veterinary care for an ill dog. Sometimes the agency has a vet who looks after the dogs but the financial aspect is covered by the agency. It isn't fair to assume she is being neglectful in some way; we simply don't know the set-up of that agency.

Duskypearls -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 12:19:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom No, I didn't. But hat happened is that Bones has on going ear flap issues, and he tears at them an causes damage, and he had a boil, that had formed the day I took him home, and I called her and told her that, that evening it had broke open and was bleeding, what do I do for him? She said put neosporin on it d watch it. i said thank you , and we hung up. 4-6 or so hours later I noticed all his toes were very red, and 2 were weeping puss, and I called her and said Hi .... i'm so sorry to call you again, but did you know Bones' toes on all 4 feet are red and 2 are weeping? Her reply was well why don't you bring him back and we"ll take care of him. I said as in , end our foster agreement? And she said yes, and I said, no no, I don't want to end our foster agreent, I just want to get his issue treated. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: The incidence with her suggesting I return bones and cancel our foster agreement when I called her to let her know and ask did she know bones' toes were weepy and red, doesnt help things. Did you discuss this in another thread? If so, could you post a link to that? quote: d without the "help" of the supervisor, until it came to its natural conclusion. I sucked it up for that year until the child was safe. I recognized what I was doing was critical to the future of this child, no matter how unpleasant this supervisor was. I am satisfied I did my job. If, and I don't know if it is, Boney has an aural hematoma (broken blood vessels within the ear that pool blood, it is painful, and easily returns, especially in long-eared dogs, or those prone to ear infections/irritations. Neosporin ointment would not be sufficient. He would need surgery to open and drain it, then receive multiple stitches tacked in to seal the tissues layers of the ear together, so the blood won't pool there. Is the boil near the affected ear? Are the insides of the ear (s) red, infected, sensitive, or smelly? Does he shake his head much, or scratch his ear (s) alot? I can't speak to the red, weepy toes or their cause, as they can be many. To what degree does he have it? Does he excessively lick them? Did he arrive with any indications his toes were a problem? Is there something of concern in his environment he's exposed to? Could he have food, etc. allergies? Could he have worms? Does he seem particularly stressed? Do you use products in your home or on your floor/rugs that contain chemical fragrances? You remark about noticing his toes after he was in your home makes me wonder if it might be a food/chemical reaction. What is his diet composed of? One may attempt to bathe them in a gentle disinfectant like Novalsan (nothing with isopropyl alcohol - rubbing alcohol or anything stingy), dry them well, and try to keep them dry, while discouraging him from licking/chewing on them. Once a bit dried out, an antibiotic cream (not ointment, as it's too greasy and doesn't allow "breathing") may be appropriate if there's any sign/chance of infection. All this may require a plastic Elizabethan Dog Collar to keep him from messing with them, which you should be able to get from the shelter or a vet, or may be significant enough to require proper bandaging (with frequent changing) till they heal. One might try calling their local vet's office. Most have office managers, techs, etc., that may be willing to field some of your questions and offer light advice until you have the opportunity to get the dog seen and treated. If they think the feet problem might be due to an allergic reaction, they may suggest giving him some sort of antihistimine like Benedryl.

LadyConstanze -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 12:31:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom No, I didn't. But hat happened is that Bones has on going ear flap issues, and he tears at them an causes damage, and he had a boil, that had formed the day I took him home, and I called her and told her that, that evening it had broke open and was bleeding, what do I do for him? She said put neosporin on it d watch it. i said thank you , and we hung up. 4-6 or so hours later I noticed all his toes were very red, and 2 were weeping puss, and I called her and said Hi .... i'm so sorry to call you again, but did you know Bones' toes on all 4 feet are red and 2 are weeping? Her reply was well why don't you bring him back and we"ll take care of him. I said as in , end our foster agreement? And she said yes, and I said, no no, I don't want to end our foster agreent, I just want to get his issue treated. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: The incidence with her suggesting I return bones and cancel our foster agreement when I called her to let her know and ask did she know bones' toes were weepy and red, doesnt help things. Did you discuss this in another thread? If so, could you post a link to that? quote: d without the "help" of the supervisor, until it came to its natural conclusion. I sucked it up for that year until the child was safe. I recognized what I was doing was critical to the future of this child, no matter how unpleasant this supervisor was. I am satisfied I did my job. Now call her, tell her Bones has medical issues, you do want to continue with the foster agreement but you do think that Bones has medical issues and should see a vet, paws and ears could be bacterial or fungal, or mites, whatever it is, it needs to be treated, whatever he has on his paws he is spreading to his ears by scratching. Bottom line is he's not well and he needs to see a vet, you can take him to the vet or you can talk to her or anybody else there and get a recommendation for a vet, you can always stress that you want to keep fostering him, but I'm terribly sorry, cuddling and feeding a dog is not enough, you also have to take a pet to the vet when needed, weepy paws are not a good sign and him tearing at his ears also makes me think that he must have a terrible itch. What if she knew about the problem and it is only a test to see if you will take charge of the problems and care for the dog as best as you can? Usually if you do foster a dog, the organisation you foster for picks up the vet bills and treatment costs. Check it out and do something ASAP, even if it means taking him back temporarily, because if you do love that dog, you want to do what is best for the dog.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 12:34:58 PM)
Wow I would hate to think she was testing out a foster dog keeper in that way!

LadyConstanze -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 12:48:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls If, and I don't know if it is, Boney has an aural hematoma (broken blood vessels within the ear that pool blood, it is painful, and easily returns, especially in long-eared dogs, or those prone to ear infections/irritations. Neosporin ointment would not be sufficient. He would need surgery to open and drain it, then receive multiple stitches tacked in to seal the tissues layers of the ear together, so the blood won't pool there. Is the boil near the affected ear? Are the insides of the ear (s) red, infected, sensitive, or smelly? Does he shake his head much, or scratch his ear (s) alot? If it happens to be an aural hematoma, get medial leeches on the case, a very effective, non invasive treatment that works amazingly well (got a friend with a Labrador and one with a French Bulldog, and they get aural hematoma often, they had great results plus the leeches seem to stop the problem from reoccurring for a while, while surgery doesn't), the saliva of the medical leeches contains not only a natural anti-inflammatory but also anti-coagulants, which well dissolve the blood pooling and causing the problem. I swear on the little blood suckers, I got a 7 year old Dobie bitch who had such bad arthritis I had to coax her out of the house on rainy days, because she limped badly, we spent thousands on conventional treatment (Cartophen injections, food supplements, you name it) with very limited success, after 2 treatments on the arthritic knee with leeches, she's a changed dog and we have to stop her from taking fences. The only side effect is that after the treatment and a day later, she was super bouncy and hyper, sort of "Oh the coffee table, I jump over it because I can, oh a fence/waste paper basket/chair/hoover - I jump over it BECAUSE I CAN!" Oh and the leeches including the application by the vet cost a fraction of what we usually spent on Cartrophen shots, not that this was a motivator or reason, more like a nice side benefit. I had a slight problem getting the vet to give it a try as it is not a treatment approved for animals in the UK, so I pointed out that it is approved for humans and thoroughly tested on humans, and unless she can give me a good reason why canine arthritis is different from human arthritis, I would like to have it done to my dog. The vet is now a convert, after she saw the spectacular results and quite a few people we met on dog walks are going in to have their dogs get it.

Duskypearls -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 1:38:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls If, and I don't know if it is, Boney has an aural hematoma (broken blood vessels within the ear that pool blood, it is painful, and easily returns, especially in long-eared dogs, or those prone to ear infections/irritations. Neosporin ointment would not be sufficient. He would need surgery to open and drain it, then receive multiple stitches tacked in to seal the tissues layers of the ear together, so the blood won't pool there. Is the boil near the affected ear? Are the insides of the ear (s) red, infected, sensitive, or smelly? Does he shake his head much, or scratch his ear (s) alot? If it happens to be an aural hematoma, get medial leeches on the case, a very effective, non invasive treatment that works amazingly well (got a friend with a Labrador and one with a French Bulldog, and they get aural hematoma often, they had great results plus the leeches seem to stop the problem from reoccurring for a while, while surgery doesn't), the saliva of the medical leeches contains not only a natural anti-inflammatory but also anti-coagulants, which well dissolve the blood pooling and causing the problem. I swear on the little blood suckers, I got a 7 year old Dobie bitch who had such bad arthritis I had to coax her out of the house on rainy days, because she limped badly, we spent thousands on conventional treatment (Cartophen injections, food supplements, you name it) with very limited success, after 2 treatments on the arthritic knee with leeches, she's a changed dog and we have to stop her from taking fences. The only side effect is that after the treatment and a day later, she was super bouncy and hyper, sort of "Oh the coffee table, I jump over it because I can, oh a fence/waste paper basket/chair/hoover - I jump over it BECAUSE I CAN!" Oh and the leeches including the application by the vet cost a fraction of what we usually spent on Cartrophen shots, not that this was a motivator or reason, more like a nice side benefit. I had a slight problem getting the vet to give it a try as it is not a treatment approved for animals in the UK, so I pointed out that it is approved for humans and thoroughly tested on humans, and unless she can give me a good reason why canine arthritis is different from human arthritis, I would like to have it done to my dog. The vet is now a convert, after she saw the spectacular results and quite a few people we met on dog walks are going in to have their dogs get it. Lady, I was not familiar with leaches for treating arthritis. What a novel approach. I must research this. Thanks for putting it up. Can you give me more details on the actual treatment itself, from start to finish?

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 1:48:43 PM)
The rescue owner Told me today she got a bunch of emails saying I was having a hard time with Bones and stuff, from the deaf dog group I was on, and some how out of all that came an offer to help him because the organization deals solely with deaf dogs and thinks they can place him So she is going to take him back and place him with that organization. One one hand I did what I came to do, I took care of him till someone else could, and I am a little bit relieved, because as much as I adored him, someone else with more experience would benefit him more, but on the other hand I am a little upset that someones took it upon themselves to go running to the owner and tell them what I was saying here, because we all have growing pains in the beginning and we all need a chance to find out bearings so tattling to the owner about what's said on the group was a low blow.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 1:51:36 PM)
Actually, this group doesn't make you pay to get them food or vet care, they pay for it all. We are told in our foster contract to call ***** if there's a medical concern, and we are not to take the dog to a vet other than the one they use, with out permission. I followed protocol. But thanks for the assumption. quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder I rarely if ever get intimidated by people. I've only met maybe 3 people in my entire life who do. I have however met a lot of people who are just downright lousy people. When I meet such people I just either ignore them if I'm able to...I don't interact with them or I leave the situation where the person is if I can't avoid that. I just don't deal with conflict. I'd rather find someplace where I feel comfortable around others. If you find this is a reoccurring problem with you though you may want to take a look at yourself and how you come across to people. Re-evaluate your own people skills. Do you come off as shy or unapproachable yourself? Do you come across as way too friendly and touchy/feely? A lot of people don't like that and find it quite annoying. As for the dog you are fostering and it having health problems, when you become a foster you agree to take care of that dog in all ways, including medical. If you cannot afford to do so then the organization will find someone who can do so. She's probably annoyed that you are calling her with your problems instead of simply taking care of the problems. She gave the dog to you assuming you'd take care of it. If you are going to call her she may as well have kept the dog herself. I know I'd get annoyed if someone was always asking me what to do instead of simply doing it. [

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 1:58:18 PM)
Well one of the mistakes was an office staffs fault, she gave me permission to go into the puppy yard and had no right to but the other mistake was just not knowing any better. I do believe I am feeling so off kilter around her cause I am insecure and worried about being a pest. Yup, social anxiety is a good thing to work on with them. my old therapist was going to work on reading social cue's and maybe going out to places where I had to be calm and aware, and work on me being calm and aware of stuff and my own spacial relationship to other things going on. quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ Tfb, I think the way we perceive other's perceptions of us is often to our detriment. You are hyper-focusing on the woman because you don't feel at ease with her. The problem with that is when you are around her it is probably all you are seeing. What you aren't seeing is that you are just a small part of things there. She is busy looking after all kinds of things. Your being nervous the other day was probably responsible for the mistakes you made; I say that because I am the same way: I get nervous and lose my focus on what I am doing and become preoccupied with how I am feeling, and then in my being hyper-focused on that I get more nervous or anxious and then mistakes happen. Once I make a mistake it just gets worse until I can ground myself. If I might make a suggestion, I think you might focus on the fact that both you and she ARE on the same side. It is true at the shelter and it is true in regards to caring for Bones. I might also suggest that you initiate a conversation, not about your feelings right now but about the dog you are providing care for. I think a simple statement that you want to provide the best care for Bones and you know that is her concern as well. (Perhaps it was getting a call on a weekend night (yes?) that made her wonder if you were up to the task. Weekend night calls should be reserved for emergencies. Weeping toes could probably have waited till the morning unless the dog was running a temp.) Another thing you can do is learn what you can about basic puppy first aid. How to take a dog's temperature and what a normal temp is. How to clean wounds. The things you absolutely can't give to a dog. I am not suggesting you are doing anything wrong, but most of the things we do can be done better and as with anything there is a learning curve to fostering a dog. You have a therapist, I think? This is a great issue to work with her on. quote: w I am feeling, and then in my being hyper-focused on that I get more nervous or anxious and then mistakes happen. Once I make a mistak

LaTigresse -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 1:58:48 PM)
Well I am glad that the dog will get the care it requires. You did not explain the protocol which does leave people to assume otherwise.

LafayetteLady -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 2:03:31 PM)
LC, I'm not sure if medical leeches are used in the US. I'm not questioning their effectiveness, but if such therapies aren't used here, your suggestion is moot.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 2:04:48 PM)
Yes, it was smack in the center of the ear flap. His ears, the vet said are always going to be smelly. it's an unfortunate side affect of his neglect she said. He does rub his head on stuff a lot, specially when you've cleaned his ears. ever toe on every foot was red. He does like to lick them yes, and I kept him from doing that as best I could. No, I had no idea his toes were red and one was weepy when I took him home. But I assume it's from yeast, and also they do not have a lot to do in their kennel all day long, so he may have spent a lot of time grooming his feet. He eats a food toted be to all natural and holistic, they provide it for him. quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls If, and I don't know if it is, Boney has an aural hematoma (broken blood vessels within the ear that pool blood, it is painful, and easily returns, especially in long-eared dogs, or those prone to ear infections/irritations. Neosporin ointment would not be sufficient. He would need surgery to open and drain it, then receive multiple stitches tacked in to seal the tissues layers of the ear together, so the blood won't pool there. Is the boil near the affected ear? Are the insides of the ear (s) red, infected, sensitive, or smelly? Does he shake his head much, or scratch his ear (s) alot? I can't speak to the red, weepy toes or their cause, as they can be many. To what degree does he have it? Does he excessively lick them? Did he arrive with any indications his toes were a problem? Is there something of concern in his environment he's exposed to? Could he have food, etc. allergies? Could he have worms? Does he seem particularly stressed? Do you use products in your home or on your floor/rugs that contain chemical fragrances? You remark about noticing his toes after he was in your home makes me wonder if it might be a food/chemical reaction. What is his diet composed of? One may attempt to bathe them in a gentle disinfectant like Novalsan (nothing with isopropyl alcohol - rubbing alcohol or anything stingy), dry them well, and try to keep them dry, while discouraging him from licking/chewing on them. Once a bit dried out, an antibiotic cream (not ointment, as it's too greasy and doesn't allow "breathing") may be appropriate if there's any sign/chance of infection. All this may require a plastic Elizabethan Dog Collar to keep him from messing with them, which you should be able to get from the shelter or a vet, or may be significant enough to require proper bandaging (with frequent changing) till they heal. One might try calling their local vet's office. Most have office managers, techs, etc., that may be willing to field some of your questions and offer light advice until you have the opportunity to get the dog seen and treated. If they think the feet problem might be due to an allergic reaction, they may suggest giving him some sort of antihistimine like Benedryl. quote: e you pay to get them food or vet care, they pay for it all. We are told in our foster contract to call ***** if there's a medical concern, and we are not to take the dog to a vet other than the one they use, with out permission. I followed protocol.

LadyConstanze -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 2:30:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady LC, I'm not sure if medical leeches are used in the US. I'm not questioning their effectiveness, but if such therapies aren't used here, your suggestion is moot. Actually I got an amazing lot of help from an American vet who sent my vet very detailed instructions on how to apply them as the vet surgery he works in uses them and has seen amazing results, a relatively new (or rather rediscovered) treatment, so I'm a bit surprised that you say that they aren't used in the US, because also when I sourced the leeches, most of the companies supplying medical leeches were in the US and one of them could give me their partner in the UK. It might not be standard treatment, but from my understanding the treatment of animals with medical leeches is far more common in the US than in the UK, where they are mainly used for competition horses with tendonitis. The suggesting for the aural hematoma also came from the US vet and after the result with my dog, the vet was far more willing to give it a go. Here a US site dealing with them with a fair bit of information for what they are used and how they are used by surgeons http://leeches.biz/

LadyConstanze -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 2:32:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Duskypearls Lady, I was not familiar with leaches for treating arthritis. What a novel approach. I must research this. Thanks for putting it up. Can you give me more details on the actual treatment itself, from start to finish? I shoot you a PM

LadyConstanze -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 2:36:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom Actually, this group doesn't make you pay to get them food or vet care, they pay for it all. We are told in our foster contract to call ***** if there's a medical concern, and we are not to take the dog to a vet other than the one they use, with out permission. I followed protocol. But thanks for the assumption. quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder I rarely if ever get intimidated by people. I've only met maybe 3 people in my entire life who do. I have however met a lot of people who are just downright lousy people. When I meet such people I just either ignore them if I'm able to...I don't interact with them or I leave the situation where the person is if I can't avoid that. I just don't deal with conflict. I'd rather find someplace where I feel comfortable around others. If you find this is a reoccurring problem with you though you may want to take a look at yourself and how you come across to people. Re-evaluate your own people skills. Do you come off as shy or unapproachable yourself? Do you come across as way too friendly and touchy/feely? A lot of people don't like that and find it quite annoying. As for the dog you are fostering and it having health problems, when you become a foster you agree to take care of that dog in all ways, including medical. If you cannot afford to do so then the organization will find someone who can do so. She's probably annoyed that you are calling her with your problems instead of simply taking care of the problems. She gave the dog to you assuming you'd take care of it. If you are going to call her she may as well have kept the dog herself. I know I'd get annoyed if someone was always asking me what to do instead of simply doing it. [ I was not assuming anything, THANKS! Fact is, you moan about worrying about losing your foster dog and the place in the rescue group, while the dog is obviously in pain. So have you followed protocol by explaining there is a medical problem or have you literally just said "He has weepy paws" - which does not sound all that serious. The only assumption I am making is that I would never ever let you look after my pets. What is the reason of the post? To moan a bit about the owner of the place or to actually help the dog? If it is to help the dog, then DO something, without the usual excuses and playing victim.

LafayetteLady -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 2:42:46 PM)
I didn't say they didn't use them, I said I wasn't sure. I've heard of leeches being used in treatments in people, but you don't hear about it regularly and it was always a last resort kind of thing. Honestly, they would have to put me in a coma first, because the anxiety attack I would have over it would be very problematic. I also don't look into a lot of animal treatment type things. Europeans often have access to a lot of treatments we don't here in the US have approved.

xxblushesxx -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 2:43:55 PM)
How did the deaf dog group (online, right?) know how to reach the agency from which you fostered the dog? I'm sorry he's going away. I hope you'll continue to volunteer, and maybe another time open your home to a different dog.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: i find the rescue owner, where I volunteer for , very intimidating (11/29/2011 2:44:24 PM)
you make it sound like I wasn't going to give it the care it needed. quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Well I am glad that the dog will get the care it requires. You did not explain the protocol which does leave people to assume otherwise.

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