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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/1/2011 11:09:17 AM   
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I can only go by the over all population of horses here in Iowa. Most are quarterhorse in type and certainly large enough by age two to butcher. Most farmers keep their horses out with their cattle in pasture with no additional feed.

Mine are not quarterhorse in bloodline so matured closer to age 4-5. I didn't even get on my younger horse's back until he was 5.

As for conditions. I certainly do not see any of the boarding stables in the Cedar Rapids area as being better than any of the meat cattle farms in Iowa. Actually considerable worse, and people pay dearly for the 'privilege'.

I know that big cattle feed lots exist but I have never seen more than one, clear up in NE Iowa, in the state of Iowa. All beef cattle farmers I know raised their cattle on pasture.

Obviously we all have different experiences and I can only draw my opinions from what I see around me. Both in animal management and type of animal.

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/1/2011 11:22:19 AM   
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I was just having a discussion with my sister and sister-in-law over this subject on FB. My sister-in-law reminded me that a farmer we both know, who adopted a bunch of mustangs back in the 70's and early 80's, runs a big herd on his place and over 90% of  the horses he raises are for meat. I had forgotten that.

He also raises beefalo and buffalo.


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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/1/2011 11:30:31 AM   
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i grew up next to a people who had their horses bred. and down the road was a trainer & breeder. all was nice people. and there is nothing wrong with breeding horses. if you can breed dogs,cats, birds, snakes, humans then you can breed horses. i live in the state that is known for horses and no i mostly like wouldn't try horse meat but i wouldn't be nasty or mean to someone who did. another thing, PETA can suck my strap on dick! we humans are made to eat meat! and i'd love to tie down one of those little skinny white bitches and forced feed her a huge meaty double quarter-pounder with cheese, bacon, tomato, swiss cheese, mushrooms, and eveything else. or a huge 24 oz stake, hot and juicy off the grill cook to mid rare, with shrimp topped on it with garlic cheese, and loaded cheese and mac!


Mind if girl volunteers for that? lol

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/1/2011 12:41:36 PM   
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I just saw this list of reasons why you should never eat a horse and it makes sense to me.....

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/reasons-why-you-should-never-eat-a-horse

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/1/2011 12:46:07 PM   
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LOL.  I personally have no intention of ever eating a horse, or allowing that to happen to either of my darling horses.  Still, pet horses may be a luxury that few will be able to continue to afford. 
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I just saw this list of reasons why you should never eat a horse and it makes sense to me.....

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/reasons-why-you-should-never-eat-a-horse
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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/1/2011 12:55:54 PM   
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I know that big cattle feed lots exist but I have never seen more than one, clear up in NE Iowa, in the state of Iowa. All beef cattle farmers I know raised their cattle on pasture.

Most cattle that ends up in a feed lot started out on pasture somewhere. The cattle ranchers sell the cattle to feed lot operators who then sell to the slaughterhouses.

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/1/2011 12:56:52 PM   
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Indeed. And neither of my boys will end up on my dinner table. But IF I could no longer care for them and didn't know someone I knew I could trust to care for them as I do, I would rather they be put down in a humane fashion. If someone else wanted to make horse stew with them, it wouldn't kill me.

And hell, their photos are some of my best selling prints!!!!


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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/1/2011 2:10:49 PM   
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I would add that the cattle business has changed a lot in the last few years.  Calves are generally only kept until they are weaned and then they are sold to feed lots.  That is why grass fed beef is such a big deal these days. 


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I know that big cattle feed lots exist but I have never seen more than one, clear up in NE Iowa, in the state of Iowa. All beef cattle farmers I know raised their cattle on pasture.

Most cattle that ends up in a feed lot started out on pasture somewhere. The cattle ranchers sell the cattle to feed lot operators who then sell to the slaughterhouses.


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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/1/2011 2:15:04 PM   
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I know that big cattle feed lots exist but I have never seen more than one, clear up in NE Iowa, in the state of Iowa. All beef cattle farmers I know raised their cattle on pasture.

Most cattle that ends up in a feed lot started out on pasture somewhere. The cattle ranchers sell the cattle to feed lot operators who then sell to the slaughterhouses.


There are no ranches in Iowa. There is much farm land with plenty of grazing land. That is how the majority of our beef is raised. One thing I noticed was a much smaller number of large feed lots in Nebraska and Kansas when I traveled through there several years ago. In one part of Nebraska there used to be a few that went on for miles and miles. My last trip through there was only one, rather smallish one.


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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/1/2011 2:44:14 PM   
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Humans have been eating, and are eating today, every animal on this planet. Nothing is safe from human consumption. Not camels, not pigs, not bivalves, not horses, not cows, not dogs, not shrimp, not sheep, not cats, not bears, not rabbits, not octopi, not squirrels, not whales, not birds, not fish, not insects, not frogs, and you can continue until you've named every animal. Past, present, and if trends continue, future as well. Most people reading this will be saying in their head "that's sick, but I stick to birds, cows, and pigs". A few will be thinking "that's sick, but I stick to fish, dogs, and whales". Others prefer cats, birds, and bears. Something they all have in common, though, is that they believe eating the animals they eat is appropriate, and that other animals are either unfit for human consumption, or protected because they're sacred (like cows), or taboo because they're pets (like pigs).

Personally speaking now, I don't use anything that requires something capable of suffering to suffer*. And yes, that means I had to decide what "suffering" meant, and to research what animals are capable of it. For the record, that essentially means no mammals (cows pigs dogs cats dolphins horses bears etc), birds (chicken duck turkey etc), factory farmed milk, or factory farmed eggs. My protein comes from vegetables and fruit (yes, you can get all your daily protein needs simply by eating a bite of avocado), fish, nuts, and free range milk and eggs. I'm 37 and I've never been healthier.

Seeing a slab of flesh labeled "horse" in a supermarket wouldn't surprise me one bit.

* I make my human slut suffer all the time. But she is capable of taking her release. The animals mentioned above are not.


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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/1/2011 3:47:43 PM   
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I have eaten Myotherself.
It was a little sweet, maybe a bit like chicken.

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/1/2011 4:40:20 PM   
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Humans have been eating, and are eating today, every animal on this planet. Nothing is safe from human consumption. Not camels, not pigs, not bivalves, not horses, not cows, not dogs, not shrimp, not sheep, not cats, not bears, not rabbits, not octopi, not squirrels, not whales, not birds, not fish, not insects, not frogs, and you can continue until you've named every animal. Past, present, and if trends continue, future as well. Most people reading this will be saying in their head "that's sick, but I stick to birds, cows, and pigs". A few will be thinking "that's sick, but I stick to fish, dogs, and whales". Others prefer cats, birds, and bears. Something they all have in common, though, is that they believe eating the animals they eat is appropriate, and that other animals are either unfit for human consumption, or protected because they're sacred (like cows), or taboo because they're pets (like pigs).

Personally speaking now, I don't use anything that requires something capable of suffering to suffer*. And yes, that means I had to decide what "suffering" meant, and to research what animals are capable of it. For the record, that essentially means no mammals (cows pigs dogs cats dolphins horses bears etc), birds (chicken duck turkey etc), factory farmed milk, or factory farmed eggs. My protein comes from vegetables and fruit (yes, you can get all your daily protein needs simply by eating a bite of avocado), fish, nuts, and free range milk and eggs. I'm 37 and I've never been healthier.

Seeing a slab of flesh labeled "horse" in a supermarket wouldn't surprise me one bit.

* I make my human slut suffer all the time. But she is capable of taking her release. The animals mentioned above are not.



Pretty much that, as I said with the exception of free ranged chicken where I know how the chicken was raised and slaughtered.

I have animals that need meat in their diet, I wouldn't deprive them of that as it would be cruel, but I can't have pets and with a clean conscience support the suffering of any kind of animal raised for consumption, that would make the whole thing of loving animals a joke, so the cats and dogs are also getting fed food that comes from organically raised and locally slaughtered cattle. I've never been able to grasp the difference of why it is OK to love a pet but see a food animal suffer, and people who pretend to love animals but readily buy mass produced meat or battery eggs and chicken are simply hypocrites, or just a bit simple and not able to think it through.

Again, if it comes down to a horse suffering neglect and dying slowly and painfully or to end the suffering, I know what is preferable. I carry an organ donation card, in case I die they can use whatever part of my body is useful for anybody else, won't bother me when I'm dead! I love my pets, but if their lives would be just pain and suffering, I would have them put down, have done so in the past no matter how much it gutted me, it's the last kindness I can do them. If they're dead, I don't want to take the ashes home or have them stuffed, that always seemed to be slightly weird to me, I wouldn't be bothered if somebody ate them - they are gone and the empty shell doesn't matter anymore, pretty much like my body!

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/2/2011 8:27:00 AM   
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Humans have been eating, and are eating today, every animal on this planet. Nothing is safe from human consumption. Not camels, not pigs, not bivalves, not horses, not cows, not dogs, not shrimp, not sheep, not cats, not bears, not rabbits, not octopi, not squirrels, not whales, not birds, not fish, not insects, not frogs, and you can continue until you've named every animal. Past, present, and if trends continue, future as well. Most people reading this will be saying in their head "that's sick, but I stick to birds, cows, and pigs". A few will be thinking "that's sick, but I stick to fish, dogs, and whales". Others prefer cats, birds, and bears. Something they all have in common, though, is that they believe eating the animals they eat is appropriate, and that other animals are either unfit for human consumption, or protected because they're sacred (like cows), or taboo because they're pets (like pigs).

Personally speaking now, I don't use anything that requires something capable of suffering to suffer*. And yes, that means I had to decide what "suffering" meant, and to research what animals are capable of it. For the record, that essentially means no mammals (cows pigs dogs cats dolphins horses bears etc), birds (chicken duck turkey etc), factory farmed milk, or factory farmed eggs. My protein comes from vegetables and fruit (yes, you can get all your daily protein needs simply by eating a bite of avocado), fish, nuts, and free range milk and eggs. I'm 37 and I've never been healthier.

Seeing a slab of flesh labeled "horse" in a supermarket wouldn't surprise me one bit.

* I make my human slut suffer all the time. But she is capable of taking her release. The animals mentioned above are not.



Pretty much that, as I said with the exception of free ranged chicken where I know how the chicken was raised and slaughtered.



there is no such thing as free rang chickens! free rang chickens are kept in a cage and the door opens and they can go out.
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Free range is a term which outside of the United States denotes a method of farming husbandry where the animals are allowed to roam freely instead of being contained in any manner. In the United States, USDA regulations apply only to poultry and indicate that the animal has been allowed access to the outside.[1] The USDA regulations do not specify the quality or size of the outside range nor the duration of time an animal must have access to the outside
~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_range

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/2/2011 8:50:06 AM   
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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/2/2011 9:07:12 AM   
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Pretty much that, as I said with the exception of free ranged chicken where I know how the chicken was raised and slaughtered.



there is no such thing as free rang chickens! free rang chickens are kept in a cage and the door opens and they can go out.
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Free range is a term which outside of the United States denotes a method of farming husbandry where the animals are allowed to roam freely instead of being contained in any manner. In the United States, USDA regulations apply only to poultry and indicate that the animal has been allowed access to the outside.[1] The USDA regulations do not specify the quality or size of the outside range nor the duration of time an animal must have access to the outside
~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_range



Just because the term free range is a bit too complicated for you to comprehend, it doesn't exist?

Maybe you should stick to pretending to be really hard and that you could beat up skinny white bitches (I assume for you skinny means what would be normal sized for most people) and force them to do anything, everybody has the right to be deluded, so keep on shoveling those steaks and burgers into your own gob, it's not my health and figure your ruining.
Hopefully you won't be a whiny bitch when your cholesterol levels have risen dramatically and you might have suffered a heart attack or a stroke, I'm sure those saturated fats made it all worthwhile.

Btw who opened your cage door?

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/2/2011 11:45:28 AM   
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LadyC........just look at the profile and it will tell you alllllllllllllllllllllllll you need to know!

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/2/2011 1:52:41 PM   
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LadyC........just look at the profile and it will tell you alllllllllllllllllllllllll you need to know!


I might just risk a look...

ETA: Had a look and trying to stop laughing, obviously not free ranged, more bred at the shallow end of the pool and possibly never won a spelling bee. What tops it off is the "Warning to the University of Sidney" thing...

LaT, thanks for the laugh!

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/2/2011 2:11:48 PM   
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You are most welcome. I just had to share.

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/2/2011 9:07:24 PM   
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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 12/3/2011 5:18:09 AM   
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I had wondered why I hadn't seen horsemeat in the grocery the last few years.  I didn't know some idiot had banned it. 

This is not some kind of NEW thing.  I've always seen horsemeat, bison, venison, and wild game, in the specialty section of the meat market.

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