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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 7:45:40 PM   
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TFB,

You DO need to learn how to shop for better options. Chips should NEVER be on your grocery list. Maybe once a month as a treat.

You can make SO many great things in a crock pot and they usually don't take much skill. Fresh fruit should last you at least a week, more depending on what it is. Apples last a really long time, so do oranges. Keep grapes refridgerated and they will last more than a week. Fresh blueberries will easily last a week (except in my house, but that is because they get eaten within a couple days). Pineapple, watermelon, cantalope, honeydew, will last a couple weeks until you cut them, then in a seal container should last a week in the fridge. Bananas don't last long, but when they get brown, you can mash them up for banana bread and they don't go to waste.

The best way to shop economically is to make a list based on what you are going to make for dinner all week. Then stick to the list.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 7:46:40 PM   
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I get it just fine. Some people don't have space or resources for a small freezer. Some don't have transportation to shop often (reason, perhaps to be less prickly and therefore capable of making friends with those who do have transportation).

I have a good friend who goes with me on my monthly shopping route, since she doesn't have a car. She doesn't have space for a freezer either, sometimes she tosses a roast or whatever into mine.

I so get not everyone has the space or resources I have. But to presume I have never been poor is a very erroneous assumption. I have been. I worked 3 jobs to put myself through school. I could give you all the ugly details, but I am not an "air my dirty laundry in public" person.

I have always, my entire life (no matter how much money I had), made eating healthy a priority. And guess what? I am pushing 60, and I have no major medical issues. No diabetes, no heart disease, and I've never had cancer. Now, maybe that is just luck, or good genes. I think it's paying attention to what goes into my body.

There may be many things I advise that you can't do. Why whine about it? Do what you can with what you have. It's all you can do.

In my never humble opinion, you would find your time better spent making up a meal plan than arguing with me about how poor people can't eat right.


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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 7:54:41 PM   
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Pulled pork is very inexpensive to make.

Buy the cheapest cut of pork available, usually the butt. Cut the majority of the fat off, but leave a bit for flavor. Just a bit.

Put the pork in the crock pot and add a large or small (depending on how much sauce you want) of your favorite barbecue sauce. Fill the empty bottle of barbecue sauce about halfway with hot water and put in crock pot. Turn you crock pot on high for about an hour before you go to bed. Then turn it to "warm" (not low) when you go to bed. Leave it on warm until about 2 hours before you want to eat, then turn it to "low."

The reason you cook it so long is because it is a cheap cut of meat, and the longer you cook it, the more tender it will get.

Take the meat out, and with two forks, shred it. It should shred easily.

Serve over rice or noodles or make sandwiches and serve with salad.

Pork Butt - about $2.50 a pound, so figure $9 for nearly 4 pounds
Barbecue Sauce - less than $3 a bottle (I use Sweet Baby Ray's)
Rice - $5 for a 10lb. bag

You will have LOTS of leftovers, so it is good for lunch all week, and dinner once or twice.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 7:55:54 PM   
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TFTB, Hell, if you don't have a stove, you wouldn't need a freezer cause you can't cook in the trailer anyway lol.  Problem solved. 

Something tells me she wasn't as good as what she does when she was your age but it was a necessity she HAD to LEARN because she had kids and stuff and i will be it's a skill and talent she has honed with age.  It's easy to say hey this is easy to do, and forget what it was when you first begin.    Plus TFTB, i think you are in your 20's, she is pushing 60, she didn't grow up in a world where processed food was the norm as were fast food etc, she grew up in the era of my mom, my mom eats a hell of a lot more healthier than i do and she knows how to cook things from scratch.  So her knowledge while it wasn't necessarily inborn, she grew up in a era wherein processed really wasn't a word yet nor was fast food.

But she is correct about one thing especially in this age of the internet, you can learn to do what she does, there are millions of articles on shopping for good quality on a budget, learning to store food, and learning to cook foods.

Hell, i have no clue how to cook most things, i have even less knowledge on how to store food, even more so, i don't eat left overs.  Just the thought of learning all of that for all foods is very intimidating for me -- i don't need to do this out of necessity, i want to.  But i will say this, i have been on many low carb boards and one of the BIGGEST reasons it's so hard to do is because it's back to basics and getting rid of processed foods and learning how to do that on a low budget for people who already stretch their food budget for their familes is not easy.  So you are probably in the majority of people TFTB, she is probably in the minority of people and knowing how to eat healthy, unprocessed foods from scratch on a already stretched budget.  

But she is correct, if you want to learn it -- you have to learn it.  Start small, perhaps focus on one thing at a time and then slowly add other things.  

Also, this isn't necessarily about being poor, i am not poor, never have been poor and i have no clue how to store most food, cook most food from scratch or shop on a budget.   In this day and age, i think you find more and more people who never had to worry about that now needing too and they simply don't know how to do it -- ergo, the processed food company's see money signs because they seem to be offering healthy food for low costs.  They play on the ignorance of their customers.


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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:05:58 PM   
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Why spend $3 on a bottle of BBQ sauce? I'm way to cheap to do that.

Basic BBQ Sauce for Pork

1 15 oz can tomato sauce
small amount of chopped onion (to taste)
2-3 cloves garlic, chopped fine or pressed
2 tab brown sugar
1 tab soy  sauce (low sodium)
2 tsp vinegar, can be as cheap as white or as pricey as rice vinegar (my choice)
Spices: small bit of allspice, clove (ground or whole), cinnamon, cayenne pepper, oregano, bay leaf, salt, and pepper

Simmer all these things together for a bit, then correct seasonings and brown sugar and vinegar to taste.

This will cost you less than $1.

See what I mean?


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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:08:20 PM   
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I get it just fine. Some people don't have space or resources for a small freezer. Some don't have transportation to shop often (reason, perhaps to be less prickly and therefore capable of making friends with those who do have transportation).

I have a good friend who goes with me on my monthly shopping route, since she doesn't have a car. She doesn't have space for a freezer either, sometimes she tosses a roast or whatever into mine.

I so get not everyone has the space or resources I have. But to presume I have never been poor is a very erroneous assumption. I have been. I worked 3 jobs to put myself through school. I could give you all the ugly details, but I am not an "air my dirty laundry in public" person.

I have always, my entire life (no matter how much money I had), made eating healthy a priority. And guess what? I am pushing 60, and I have no major medical issues. No diabetes, no heart disease, and I've never had cancer. Now, maybe that is just luck, or good genes. I think it's paying attention to what goes into my body.

There may be many things I advise that you can't do. Why whine about it? Do what you can with what you have. It's all you can do.

In my never humble opinion, you would find your time better spent making up a meal plan than arguing with me about how poor people can't eat right.



Actually, my housemate and I eat pretty healthy. I'm not going to lie and say we ONLY eat healthy, but we eat a lot of sauted chicken sliced on salad with romaine, shredded carrots, cucumbers and tomatos, sometimes cauliflower or broccoli as well. I do the same with steak.

We buy yogurt on sale because my housemate loves it (I don't care for it much). There is always some kind of fruit in the house and I make smoothies using just fruit and orange juice.

When I moved in here, my housemate lived on frozen dinners and Mt. Dew. He would drink a case of soda a week. Now there will be a couple of frozen dinners in the freezer, but they are for when I am too sick to cook. He drinks one soda a day and the rest of the time some type of sugar free drink like crystal light that we make by the pitcher.

I really don't care to shop more than once a week, but if I needed to, I do have friends I can get a ride with, but we get what we need once a week. We shop with a list and stick to it.

I don't eat pasta, except for very rare occasions. We have a couple dozen boxes. Pasta isn't all that healthy to eat, unless you get the whole grain, which tastes like shit.

I'm glad you have no major health issues. Neither did I until I fell and seriously injured my back.

So when you are giving your not so humble opinion, perhaps you should consider that you really don't have enough facts to form one.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:12:19 PM   
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Why spend $3 on a bottle of BBQ sauce? I'm way to cheap to do that.

Basic BBQ Sauce for Pork

1 15 oz can tomato sauce
small amount of chopped onion (to taste)
2-3 cloves garlic, chopped fine or pressed
2 tab brown sugar
1 tab soy  sauce (low sodium)
2 tsp vinegar, can be as cheap as white or as pricey as rice vinegar (my choice)
Spices: small bit of allspice, clove (ground or whole), cinnamon, cayenne pepper, oregano, bay leaf, salt, and pepper

Simmer all these things together for a bit, then correct seasonings and brown sugar and vinegar to taste.

This will cost you less than $1.

See what I mean?



Well, thanks. Making my own barbeque sauce is something I never found a decent recipe for. Sadly, right now, all my spices are still in storage until we move to a bigger house. I'm too cheap to replace many of them because they are damn expensive and we don't have the room currently.

Personally, I can't wait until we move and I have all my kitchen stuff back (including my damn crock pot) so I can enjoy cooking and having more than a foot of counter space to try to prepare food on.

I am one of those people who didn't own a microwave for years because you can't cook in them. When people asked me how I reheated food, I told them I had this really nifty thing called a "stove."

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:12:21 PM   
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Ours didn't even have wings, Now, I didn't say you couldn't cook in one , I said you couldn't get a freezer chest in there
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http://www.freewebs.com/kc8jwa/classicshastas.htm

If you will scroll down you will see what I mean by wings. The trailer about a third of the way down, with the man standing beside it, is exactly what we had.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:13:36 PM   
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So how about a Teriyaki sauce recipe?

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:16:06 PM   
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Er...weren't you in the hospital with kidney failure?

Not that long ago?

I could be wrong, I'm not good at names and frankly can't be bothered with people who have to prove they are better than me.

Let's get this straight: I don't think I'm better than you. I think I shop and cook better (more healthy and cheaper) than you. I get to say this knowing 99% of the time I am correct.

And Angel is right, I have years of experience and long practice. Now, you can learn what I know, since I am happy to share it, or you can keep up with this pissing match, in which case I will stop responding.






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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:17:03 PM   
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No ChatteParfaitt, i don't get what you mean.

YOU HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE -- most people have no clue how to make BBQ sauce out of the air.  And to tell you the truth, i would spend more money buying the ingredients for the BBQ sauce than $3.00 because i really have no clue what else i can use the BULK buys of those ingredients.

"then correct seasonings and brown sugar and vinegar to taste"  what seasoning?  What is the correct seasonings.

hell a friend who knows how to cook and i were talking about a recipe on ALLRecipe's that asked for frozen whipped cream, thawed.  I seriously thought there was a product that was frozen whipping cream because that's what the recipe called for.  she kept telling me it's just whipped cream -- i.e., frozen whipped cream, thawed is unfrozen whipped cream.  But that completely threw me for a loop because i don't have the knowledge -- to gauge recipes or hell even know what is "to taste" because whose taste, mine, the people i am cooking for, should it taste like A-1 or Heinze?   Maybe you don't get what i am saying but the EASE you believe this is -- isn't as easy as you make it seem.  Oh, and i am not a poor person who has never eaten quality foods or don't know what they are or taste like. 

Do you see what i and others are trying to say to you?   Or are you so ignorant of your own lack of knowledge when you didn't have the knowledge you do now, you are blind to the fact in this day and age of processed foods, MOST people haven't a clue how to make same not processed.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:17:19 PM   
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Anyone here make their own pasta?

It’s so much tastier and much more filling, before I splashed out and bought a pasta maker I used to roll the pasta flat and then cut into small strips. I still prefer it that way however my husband and kids prefer it all nice and thin.
You can add chillies, garlic or tomato puree or any other flavouring to the pasta you like or leave it plain which I like.

I hate using store bought pasta now.


And pasta is so easy to make

And making any tomato based pasta recipe from scratch is so simple. Just a tin of tomatoes, passata if you want and whatever herbs you have dried and left around, I usually add a tin of baked beans instead of kidney beans in bolognaise as I prefer the taste and it’s extremely healthy and tastes so much better than the store bought stuff. Add your mince and voila a very filling meal.

Also I love my crock pot, it does chillies, curries, stews and slow cooks cheap joints of meat in a gravy that ends up tasting great. You can even cook your bolognaise filling for the pasta in it. And with the stews curries and chillies it always tastes even better the next day, so we always cook enough for 2 days and leave it cooking away slowly eating it the next day as well.

I buy big jars of herbs as they are cheaper than the small pretty ones, and I admit I am too lazy to grow my own food even though it always tastes much better so instead I look for local produce when it's in season as then its cheaper than stuff shipped in from thousands of miles away.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:24:45 PM   
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ChatteParfaitt,  Perhaps you aren't realizing how your posts are coming across , perhaps you should have just shared your knowledge instead of trying to prove you are somehow better because you do this.  

Either share your information or don't.  Trying to use your knowledge to control what others do is beyond silly and i would think beneath you. 

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:24:52 PM   
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Easy Peasy:

16 oz pineapple juice (I use the liquid from canned pineapple, which I freeze til I have enough, I really *am* that cheap)
1 cup brown sugar
1 cup soy sauce
1/2 cup honey
1/2 cup sherry (sweet or dry) if you don't have sherry, whiskey, rum, or brandy will do
2 tabs minced fresh ginger
2 tabs fresh garlic (pressed)

Combine all in a large sauce pot. Bring to a boil (hard) and thicken with cornstarch (up to 1/2 cup).


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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:26:10 PM   
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It's called Crock pots and microwaves , and bumming someones grill, but even at that, there was not a lot of surplus to go buy things that needed cooking nor room to store it. plus yogurts and small things that can fit in the tiny refrigerator they provided, but no we did not need a big freezer chest even if their had been room.D

Yes, I am 29. I am used to home cooked meals from childhood, but they were not very healthy either, I'm talking about meat and potato dinner and then a desert, and for breakfast pancakes and eggs and bacon and syrup for the pancakes, now not all in the same day, or even the same week, but we ate heartily. it's true now as my parents age they don't cook as much food or as often as they used to, so more often than not it's fend for yourself, and I am not used to having to scrimp and save and worry about ways to make the budget last longer, or how to get the best bang for your buck, and there's nobody here to take me in hand and teach me like previous generations had. Home making and running a home , and managing the servants in it, and a large home at that, and all that fine art, was usually passed down from mom to daughter, and you had no choice but to learn it. You were often also expected to marry and have a family and a house going super young, or you were considered a spinster, at one point in time. It's to bad some of our best and finest at this couldn't tele transport to Sacramento to teach it.




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TFTB, Hell, if you don't have a stove, you wouldn't need a freezer cause you can't cook in the trailer anyway lol.  Problem solved. 

Something tells me she wasn't as good as what she does when she was your age but it was a necessity she HAD to LEARN because she had kids and stuff and i will be it's a skill and talent she has honed with age.  It's easy to say hey this is easy to do, and forget what it was when you first begin.    Plus TFTB, i think you are in your 20's, she is pushing 60, she didn't grow up in a world where processed food was the norm as were fast food etc, she grew up in the era of my mom, my mom eats a hell of a lot more healthier than i do and she knows how to cook things from scratch.  So her knowledge while it wasn't necessarily inborn, she grew up in a era wherein processed really wasn't a word yet nor was fast food.

But she is correct about one thing especially in this age of the internet, you can learn to do what she does, there are millions of articles on shopping for good quality on a budget, learning to store food, and learning to cook foods.

Hell, i have no clue how to cook most things, i have even less knowledge on how to store food, even more so, i don't eat left overs.  Just the thought of learning all of that for all foods is very intimidating for me -- i don't need to do this out of necessity, i want to.  But i will say this, i have been on many low carb boards and one of the BIGGEST reasons it's so hard to do is because it's back to basics and getting rid of processed foods and learning how to do that on a low budget for people who already stretch their food budget for their familes is not easy.  So you are probably in the majority of people TFTB, she is probably in the minority of people and knowing how to eat healthy, unprocessed foods from scratch on a already stretched budget.  

But she is correct, if you want to learn it -- you have to learn it.  Start small, perhaps focus on one thing at a time and then slowly add other things.  

Also, this isn't necessarily about being poor, i am not poor, never have been poor and i have no clue how to store most food, cook most food from scratch or shop on a budget.   In this day and age, i think you find more and more people who never had to worry about that now needing too and they simply don't know how to do it -- ergo, the processed food company's see money signs because they seem to be offering healthy food for low costs.  They play on the ignorance of their customers.


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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:29:16 PM   
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OMG lol Cheryl, i have a friend who makes his own pasta, and i swear everytime he feeds me that we are doing the Will and Grace promise -- he is gay -- if we aren't married by 50, i will marry him just for his food.

It's funny, i compare all pasta with his now and it's really hard to impress me with pasta now.

I make my own spaghetti sauce sorta -- it's more of chopping up roma tomatoes, adding a whole bunch of garlic and oregano and a leaf of basil and then stirring it until i get impatient -- THEN, its done! lol

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:32:24 PM   
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Anyone here make their own pasta?



I often do yes. A pasta machine is on my wish list for sure.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:32:40 PM   
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Er...weren't you in the hospital with kidney failure?

Not that long ago?

I could be wrong, I'm not good at names and frankly can't be bothered with people who have to prove they are better than me.

Let's get this straight: I don't think I'm better than you. I think I shop and cook better (more healthy and cheaper) than you. I get to say this knowing 99% of the time I am correct.

And Angel is right, I have years of experience and long practice. Now, you can learn what I know, since I am happy to share it, or you can keep up with this pissing match, in which case I will stop responding.




Yep, kidney failure in May. Injured my back in a fall in 2008 and got hit by a car while walking in town in January of this year.

There is no doubt you cook healthier and cheaper than me, but I wouldn't go so far as to say you cook better than me. I'm a damn good cook and have been doing it since I was younger than 12. Some things, sure, but some things I probably make better than you. I'll readily admit that I don't make a lot of sauces from scratch, but my tomato sauce is pretty hard to beat, especially since I got tips from a chef who owned an Italian restaurant that was one of the most popular in town. Now I'm not able to stand for the amount of time it takes to prepare the sauce, because the injury to my back caused my legs to go numb or collapse.

I have no desire to "prove I'm better than you" or anyone else. In fact, for the most part, I quite like you. I also liked several of the recipes you posted and look forward to trying them.

Yes, TFB obviously needs to learn how to shop better and to prepare healthier meals. However, given that her disability is not a physical one and we all know that, I really believe that being snarky is counter productive. Very few people learn that way, and you know that. You and I know how to put spices into things without measuring, but that is from years of experience. Half the recipes I make I couldn't list here, because I can't translate it into measurable amounts.

There is no need for a pissing match.

There IS a need for a Teriyaki Sauce recipe.

Got one of those?

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:33:22 PM   
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I love to make my own pasta. It tastes so much better. It's very easy and you can make whole grain pasta with some taste.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/2/2011 8:33:45 PM   
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Chips were just an example because they were on sale recently for Thanksgiving, Daddy likes them but I don't like them as much so I don't eat them near as much as he does.


Remember LafayetteLady, I am considered pre diabetic now closer to actual diabeties, because my last tests have shown protein in the urin, which is an indication of kidney distress the dr says , and on metaformin, which is another name for glucophage, to control my blood sugar, I am supposed to watch and severely limit or not have at all some food groups. Like my dr doesn't want me having fruit juice at all, to much sugar even in those no sugar added in one serving, for to little nutritional value.


But I can still have some fruits and in moderation, and they are some of the things my dad grows in his garden, apples and pears at least.

With the crock pot, I do want to get a list of diabetic friendly recipes I'd like to try together, and then go shopping for that and general needs like yogurts, and his Gatorade.
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TFB,

You DO need to learn how to shop for better options. Chips should NEVER be on your grocery list. Maybe once a month as a treat.

You can make SO many great things in a crock pot and they usually don't take much skill. Fresh fruit should last you at least a week, more depending on what it is. Apples last a really long time, so do oranges. Keep grapes refridgerated and they will last more than a week. Fresh blueberries will easily last a week (except in my house, but that is because they get eaten within a couple days). Pineapple, watermelon, cantalope, honeydew, will last a couple weeks until you cut them, then in a seal container should last a week in the fridge. Bananas don't last long, but when they get brown, you can mash them up for banana bread and they don't go to waste.

The best way to shop economically is to make a list based on what you are going to make for dinner all week. Then stick to the list.



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