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Servant4Queen -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 4:21:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NiceButMeanGirl


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ORIGINAL: Servant4Queen
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
S4Q......do you realize how very hypocritical your words are, considering your avatar?

Not hypocritcal at all. I am what I am exactly as described in my profile. 100%

AND you are nude DISPLAYING your chest , ass, legs in all your pictures, just as you accuse the women of doing. So are you saying it's perfectly fine for guys to do that, but if women do it they're wrong? I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong in either case. What I am doing is agreeing w/ LaTigresse and pointing out your hypocrisy.

NBMG



Lets stick to the facts shall we. I am partially nude in my photo. True. I am NOT asking for a relationship in my profile as my primary "objective". True. I do say I that I am looking for a long term situation with the right Domme but primarily I offer a service. True. Also I know that the physical features are not always an important factor for a female like they may be for a male. Are women visual ? yes But not to the degree males are when choosing a mate. At least cock pics are not going to do it for you are they. right? Mostly likely its the eyes, smile, or general physique to females, not that dang cock that's going to do it for you. But mostly its character and then what? what is next on the list? Its about mixed messages, thats really my point to the OP.

So not to detract from the OP's interesting questions and opinion concerning this subject, please email me directly if my you feel my facts do not stand.




Servant4Queen -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 4:35:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

When I took down the photos of myself, my junk mail plummeted!

I LOVE the play. I have Nostalgia Moments (tm) about the days when I could go to a party and play all night without even knowing anyone's real name. Good times! What changed? Is it the culture of entitlement? is it the idea that I should feel privileged to help some dude get his wank on?

Speaking for myself--I don't have to have Feelings for the people I play with, I just have to LIKE them. That means we chat a bit, have a lovely beverage, decide what's okay and not okay, what he'd like and what he's really going to get... and we BOTH have the chance to say no.

It's been a long damn time since I played with anyone NEW, that wasn't already in my extended circle. Because the DO IT NOW was too strong, I reckon, or the desire for fantasy over reality. (IRONY: on my website, my tagline was "make your fantasies a reality). I am tired of sifting throught the marrieds, the confused, the liars, to find the good ones, the ones that don't bore me.

More IRONY: I love watching men masturbate. I love making them do nasty kinky things and laughing like a kid with a new toy. Should I just become a vidchat cam queen? I am tempted, some days, for about thirty seconds. Shoot, two months of camming, that's a plane ticket to Peon! And some fine accomodations and shopping... Hmm...

Many of you know that I am a RealTime person. I am here to tell you that the self identified sub males that manage to show up to coffee, or a party, are just like their online counterparts much of the time. It's a big world of quid-pro-quo. Play, yes, service no. Many of them blow their chances reaaly soon on the game, and for that I say thank you, time was saved all around.

Take away the kin k. Is any of this different from vanilla life? If it was EASY, would there be POF and eharmony and the other sites? I don'think so.

(Typos courtesy of android)








Ha! LadyHibiscus, I find your comments refreshing really. You show both sides from your own perspective. Now I honestly wonder. Big question, do any of you wonder what it is like to walk a mile in our shoes? Equally, I wonder how many of us respresentatives of the "Y" chromosome do the same? I think we do.... I try but not always sympathetic ...lol. (I apologize in advance if this offends any of you) This is to me an interesting question to ask among the genders here. Again I think the OP is touching upon an interesting observation. ugh Go Pat's!!




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 4:49:19 PM)

I do try to see it both ways, Servant, and vinegary as I am, I do cut the ones who are TRYING some slack. My tolerance for the stupid is at zero, though. Yes, we are kinky, we are on a kink site. That does not mean that we have lost all sense of discernment, though. We are not OUT OF CONTROL.

Regarding the naked pictures...when I had pics up, they were in tthe pinup/sexy style. I don't know many femdoms (and I will not wave the "true" banner, but I meen femdom as opposed to kinkster) who wave the goods on the interwebs. I suspect you can use that as an acid test of who is into d/s, but that's opinion based on experience.

I like naked guys. I like pictures of naked guys. (I also dig naked women!) What I think should be on prfiles is pictures that make us look GOOD. Lots of pics of bathrooms out there, and messy bedrooms. I would be happy to see a vanilla pic, and preserve a little mystery in some cases.




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 5:04:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Servant4Queen

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ORIGINAL: NiceButMeanGirl


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ORIGINAL: Servant4Queen
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
S4Q......do you realize how very hypocritical your words are, considering your avatar?

Not hypocritcal at all. I am what I am exactly as described in my profile. 100%

AND you are nude DISPLAYING your chest , ass, legs in all your pictures, just as you accuse the women of doing. So are you saying it's perfectly fine for guys to do that, but if women do it they're wrong? I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong in either case. What I am doing is agreeing w/ LaTigresse and pointing out your hypocrisy.

NBMG

Lets stick to the facts shall we.

And the fact is, you ARE nude in your profile, with the single exception of the partially-nude tool belt picture. Nudity is what you were condemning the women for. I realize that your profile does not say you're looking for a relationship, but you still have nude pictures in yours also. It's kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.....

NBMG




xxblushesxx -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 5:13:24 PM)

Miss Hibiscus,
You wouldn't even have to show yourself on cam to make a tidy sum laughing at and teasing men on cam as they're uhm...doing what it is that they do.
*helpful Chrissy*




Servant4Queen -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 5:36:33 PM)

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Nudity is what you were condemning the women for.


Incorrect.

I am stating that despite the fact that most women know men are visual creatures, many post provactive photos of themselves anyway knowing that men (in general) will notice the physical first. Yet all we are hearing is its about forming a relationship that is in the hearts of a woman. Yet...some women play to the lowest common factor and sometimes the results that are gathered hypocritcal.


I will ask for a third time if you have an issue with me or my opinion to email directly so not to "hijack" this thread. NiceButMeanGirl
, if you have a bone to pick me, a chip on your shoulder, or an ego issue its best to communicate with me directly via email. Up until now you havent proved a single point other than the fact my profile picture is a partially nude. It is I'm afraid.




LaTigresse -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 5:51:55 PM)

I don't think it is NicebutMeanGirl that has the attitude problem.

You are either stupid or being purposely obtuse and refusing to see the hypocrisy of your words.




Servant4Queen -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 5:58:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I don't think it is NicebutMeanGirl that has the attitude problem.

You are either stupid or being purposely obtuse and refusing to see the hypocrisy of your words.



Perhaps I am. I wouldnt be stupid enough to rule that out. If you can point it out factually to me I would certainly appreciate it. Since you are both calling me out individually....





Lockit -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 6:16:29 PM)

Wow.... I didn't see Servant say anything hypocritical. He stated that it was hypocritical to basically pose in ways that attract a mans attention or sexual desire and then claim men are wrong to look at them basically with a sexual desire. I do have to agree for the most part with him.

He is half naked... thank you very much... BUT I have never seen him getting upset because women looked at him in the way you all know many of us are... and he hasn't said anything about matters of the heart as far as I know.

He isn't being a hypocrite. He is saying if it matters that much... how men treat you and you are hanging there with your titty out or overly sexual and you're complaining about men objectifying you or sexualizing you... think about it.

Men may be visual... some are real fucking dogs, picture or none... but the bottom line is... when we go over board on a picture... we have no right to complain to some degree. Seeing a woman in sexy clothes or being sensual shouldn't be the only way she is viewed... which is where our points of view may differ... but... Servant wasn't being a hypocrite.




LaTigresse -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 6:28:18 PM)

You call it as you see it and I will call it as I see it.




Lockit -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 6:31:56 PM)

The basic thing is... he may be half nude.. but he isn't bitching about the response. Some women are laying it all out there and ARE bitching about the response.

Hell... if he were, I would have heard it... because I did make a few comments about his tool belt, privately and he was nothing but a gentleman throughout the conversation. He is half naked and not bitching. Worked for me.




FrostedFlake -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 7:06:18 PM)

I have been doing a little research.

On some dated threads I have noted folks like Akasha, Angelika and Venitrix citing discard figures of up to 95%.

I found this a little difficult to believe. Note the use of the past tense.

I took the trouble to compare my page to ALL the guys looking for Dominants in Washington back to September 1st.

Not to brag or anything, because my page isn't perfect and neither am I (IN SPADES), But I won.

There are just two pages that gave me a contest. And all but a few of the rest were (word omitted for the sake of charity)

It is pretty clear to me now..... That I ought to get around more.  Those guys ought to make me look pretty decent.

I wonder how a fella would politely go about asking for a helpful suggestion or two to improve his page?

Not to distract anyone form the ongoing discussion.

Thanks.
FF




SoulAlloy -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 11:24:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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I suggested that you did.
And you were wrong. Another stereotypical luci post dismissive of whatever we post, even if you have to make stuff up to justify it. Either your dislike clouds your comprehension, or you really just don't get subtlety and self deprecating humour. Personally, my vote is for both.



Must admit I read the original response the same way, though I tend to be oversensitive and read too much into things. Try rereading it without hearing your tone of voice or knowledge of your sense of humour and you can see easily how the mistake could bemade.

As for the provocative pics debate, I have to say I didn't read it as hypocritical either - just an idea that if you portray yourself as overly sexed then expect to gain responses to suit. If he'd said he didn't want such messages then yeah that would have been hypocritical.

As for the big question, why the mismatch? I'm not sure really. When I started exploring this lifestyle I was very much in the dark and naive, all I'd ever managed to find online were prodomme websites and alt.com, and based my first interactions via mail on those concepts, that we are lowly and that the domme persona is who they are 24/7 - stupid and naive no doubt, life is a learning curve. Being willing to learn is the key, and of course to figure out exactly what you want from life.
Then of course you have the minefield of expressing the sentiments in an alluring way without looking like a wanker lol




myrgth -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 11:38:39 PM)

They may not be lining up on line, but I see quite a few people (Domme, Dom, Tops, etc.) who are more than happy and willing to provide play at events and parties.  One of the frustrations in my local community is that there are not enough bottoms to go around. Unless you bring your own then odds are you won't be playing bdsm style with anyone.  My advice to those who correspond with me and are just looking for some play is to go to any of our local events and yet none ever do.  It's very possible that I or any of the others there would be more than happy to play for the night.

I don't see this site being any different than any other site in regards to the way men and women relate.  The amount of success you have on line is often very similar to the amount of success you have off line.  You either have game or you don't.  Many think that coming on line gives them an advantage.  More people, more opportunity, less work when the reality is it is often much more work to make a connection.

"So, the point of this is, since there are a bunch of Dominant women hoping that a sub male will start a relationship with them, why haven't the sub men realized and acted upon that?"

Wouldn't that be a gross misrepresentation of intent?  That's no different than any variation of faking a relationship to get sex.  It's what gets men labeled 'player' and 'dog'.  I would rather know that someone is just looking for play then have them try and manipulate my emotions and feelings just to get play.

A better question, in my eyes, would be why not participate in local events and parties where they are people who will meet those needs available who won't be looking for more than the night offers instead of messaging women who clearly are looking for something more substantial on line.










myrgth -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/4/2011 11:54:56 PM)

"If a relationship is first and foremost to a Domme than why knowingly confuse a male with these visions first?"

Sex sells.  

'Wouldnt a knowledgeable Domme know what she is doing when she posts provocative photos of herself ?"

Absolutely.  I most certainly posted provocative pictures with a specific intent.

"Would it ultimately be better to post a less provocative photo(s) with emphasis on what you are looking for in a relationship?"

This depends on your personality.  I've met people with the mindset that serious Dominas do not post provocative pictures... blah blah blah.  Of those I know and interact with, they are no more or less successful than I. 






FrostedFlake -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/5/2011 3:01:09 AM)

Reagrding the Original post and the point of it.

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Mygrth
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Steven "So, the point of this is, since there are a bunch of Dominant women hoping that a sub male will start a relationship with them, why haven't the sub men realized and acted upon that?"

Wouldn't that be a gross misrepresentation of intent?


Yes. If the intent was deception. But I think Steven was likely looking at another thing entirely. It occurs to me that, completely aside from the general nastiness of such a deception and overlooking entirely the fallout sure to result = genuine & general disdain, there is also the fact that it is a practical plan only in the very short term. For the effort involved, and the price paid in various coin, why wouldn't a fella who would bother himself to mess with someone this way, thus eclipsing his future prospects, take instead the much easier, less expensive and MUCH less disreputable course of $imply hiring help? Is it because only FREAKS pay for services rendered, whereas fine upstanding NORMAL men prefer shoving a dagger into the heart of a lover?

Hmmm...

That is not what bothers me about the notion I think Steven was mulling.

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Soul Alloy
As for the big question, why the mismatch? I'm not sure really. When I started exploring this lifestyle I was very much in the dark and naive, all I'd ever managed to find online were prodomme websites and alt.com, and based my first interactions via mail on those concepts, that we are lowly and that the domme persona is who they are 24/7 - stupid and naive no doubt, life is a learning curve. Being willing to learn is the key, and of course to figure out exactly what you want from life.
Then of course you have the minefield of expressing the sentiments in an alluring way without looking like a wanker lol


Soul Alloy here thinks over the learning process. We all start in the dark. we feel our way through things and we learn stuff. A little tiny bit at a time. At least, some of us do. And what of the rest?

Returning to first principles, when we deal with any situation, what we see is that part of it most directly in front of us. When we open the refrigerator door, for example, we don't see what makes a refrigerator WORK. That part is out of view, out of reach, underneath. Either you know how a fridge works or you don't and while it is easy to find out, it is just as easy to live ones entire life without knowing. It is largely a matter of interest. And, here is the point : if you don't know and someone tells you something that isn't so and you say, "Oh!", well then my friend, FOR YOU, that IS how a refrigerator works. Even though it doesn't really work that way.

It is not what we know that is the problem, but what we know that isn't so. The mental habits (inertia) that lead us into knowing things that are not so is at the root of the matter. And overhead, if you look, is the fact that IF we THINK we KNOW, we are not going to try to find out. Our ignorance protects us from feeling the effects of our ignorance.

I seem to recall from school, the colloquial term for this is Stupidity.

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SoulAlloy
Being willing to learn is the key, and of course to figure out exactly what you want from life.
Then of course you have the minefield of expressing the sentiments in an alluring way without looking like a wanker lol


Uhmm... Y'think?
FF





MariaB -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/5/2011 3:31:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: myrgth

"If a relationship is first and foremost to a Domme than why knowingly confuse a male with these visions first?"

Sex sells.  

'Wouldnt a knowledgeable Domme know what she is doing when she posts provocative photos of herself ?"

Absolutely.  I most certainly posted provocative pictures with a specific intent.

"Would it ultimately be better to post a less provocative photo(s) with emphasis on what you are looking for in a relationship?"

This depends on your personality.  I've met people with the mindset that serious Dominas do not post provocative pictures... blah blah blah.  Of those I know and interact with, they are no more or less successful than I. 





^This

The submissive guys I have had long term and semi long term relationships with didn't meet me on here. They met me at fet clubs where I wasn't only dressed rather provocatively but they witnessed me doing what could certainly be considered, provocative things to other men.
Wank they may well of done but what they actually wanted was a relationship with me and so they showed me control and they acted accordingly to entice me into enjoying their company. They didn't just act on the visual image of me to get their jollies even though that visual image was plainly there for them to see.
My lifestyle is wild. I love BDSM and that's why I am here. I portray that in my pictures. Those pictures clearly show that I am not looking for someone to come over and dress in frilly knickers and clean my house every 3rd Friday of the month but for someone who enjoys some of the wilder sides of BDSM.
I refuse to wrap myself in a knitted sweater and smile sweetly at the camera. I don't want to come over as the girl next door. I'm not interested in vanilla dating or taking things softly softly.
I consider my pictures do me a favor. The men that just look at them and write to me without reading my profile are not serious and the men who do read my profile and journal entries have gone beyond just the visual. Those are the men that spark my interest.

I don't think anyone here has ever heard me complain about wanky men writing to me and that's because it honestly doesn't bother me. It doesn't offend me in the least but what it does do is help me eliminate and move on to the more serious ones.





Arienos -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/5/2011 4:20:48 AM)

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This depends on your personality. I've met people with the mindset that serious Dominas do not post provocative pictures... blah blah blah. Of those I know and interact with, they are no more or less successful than I.

The picture, the allure, the tempting quality, somewhere around his 9th year a male begins to fall victim to these very powerful and often dangerous attractions. Many males quickly recognize they too exert a similar tempting quality and by the time they reach their teens have had sexual encounters with females answering to only the raging hormones in both their bodies. The prescient is set but there comes a time where something more is needed, a bonding, an emotional attachment and although the male does not separate himself from the lustful driving forces of natures demand he becomes more selective and quickly learns the more selective he is the more in demand he becomes. So do not be misled, attaching the word submissive to the male does not diminish him nor will assigning a stereotype alter or change the content of his character. The male submissive is not about sex, or pain for pleasure alone but he sure as hell hasn’t abandoned either of them.




DarkSteven -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/5/2011 5:16:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: myrgth

"So, the point of this is, since there are a bunch of Dominant women hoping that a sub male will start a relationship with them, why haven't the sub men realized and acted upon that?"

Wouldn't that be a gross misrepresentation of intent?  That's no different than any variation of faking a relationship to get sex.  It's what gets men labeled 'player' and 'dog'.  I would rather know that someone is just looking for play then have them try and manipulate my emotions and feelings just to get play.


My intent was to say that a man willing to provide a relationship, will get play out of it.  Unfortunately, you're likely right that some will simply "rebrand" themselves and change the image but not the actual man himself.  In other words, lie about intent. 

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A better question, in my eyes, would be why not participate in local events and parties where they are people who will meet those needs available who won't be looking for more than the night offers instead of messaging women who clearly are looking for something more substantial on line.



This is one of the reasons I suggest going to events as opposed to meeting online.  This will screen out people who refuse to go to events because they're terrified about stepping away from the computer, or in some cases, have totally screwed their reputation locally.




gungadin09 -> RE: Why the mismatch? (12/5/2011 5:26:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
So, the point of this is, since there are a bunch of Dominant women hoping that a sub male will start a relationship with them, why haven't the sub men realized and acted upon that?  Is it stupidity, or not being emotionally healthy enough to sustain a relationship?  Or stubbornness at not wanting to provide one?  Or something else?


Because a relationship involves more then just kink? I suspect the ones that want relationships will find Dominant women. But the ones who don't aren't going to agree to it for the sake of getting their asses beat. Or, at least, i hope not.

pam




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