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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 5:23:13 PM   
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One of the interesting, and ironic, things about Iran deals with its capaticy to refine oil.

While Iran has very plentiful oil reserves, it still imports the vast majority of its refined oil products (gas, jet fuel, etc.) This is because Iran has virtually no domestic oil refining capacity. Preventing refined oil products from being imported into Iran would do a lot of damage to their economy and infrastructure.



Those kinds of embargoes tend to do more damage to the general populace than they do in encouraging the leadership of any country to change their ways.



I don't dispute that; I was merely pointing out a fun-fact.

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 5:28:10 PM   
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The inspectors did their job just fine.There was no WMD and I couldn`t care less about how sad felt.He was made impotent.


None of your weasel words and bullshiting justifies putting our GIs at risk like they were.

It wasn`t the weapons inspectors that saddam managed to fool,it was folks like yourself.



Dude. You are a loony.
I ain't saying squat about anything but the effectiveness of sanctions.
WTF are you getting this from?
I mean really dude, wear the tin foil hat to bed at night. It might help.

The only weasel words here are yours, putting words in my mouth and trying to shift the argument ala Thanks for Not Smoking.

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 5:30:58 PM   
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Hold on there, never saw it. My point was more that people believe this shit, that "our" "leaders" are so competent and we get the latest scoop on how they are winning whatever it is, when it is all a bunch of bullshit. We are losing, our money, our respect as well as whatever may have been left of our national pride. Flagwaving does not cut it in my book.

I thought I was agreeing with you but maybe I'll have to check out that site more.....

The fact is thus, we can't afford any more fucking war. Plain and simple, but these polioticians are suck MFs that they will take that lobby money from Israel, a bunch of which came from us in the first fucking place, and make war for Israel. Know why ?

Israel wants Israelis to be safe getting off a plane anywhere on this planet, bar none. I am not fucking kidding. This has nothing much to do with oil, has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the security of the country that pays for all this shit, it has to do with hubris. Achieving the absence of opposition. That is the real goal.

Whether the translation that Pres. Muwhatever of Iran wants to destory Israel is true or not, they would never do it. They should know that if they fuck Israel up, the rest of the world would jump down their throat so fast they wouldn't even notice dinner was done. Glass mde out of sand topped with brown suce made of blood. They know goddamn well that a nuclear attack would bring a reprisal. Do you really think they are that fucking stupid ?

They are not, and Russia and China are not. And that is why Russia and China don't have much to say right now. They are sick of our shit, and being georaphically a bit closer, do not appreciate us destabilising the region, and haven't for a long time. They save while we spend. By the time war breaks out we won't have the fucking money to pay the soldiers.

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 5:51:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		The tin foil has scrambled your brain. This has got nothing to do with Israel wanting it citizens safe off a plane in any country. A bizarre idea, and what country wouldn't want its citizens safe anyway? Imagine conspiracists screaming if the US took liberties with the safety of its citizens abroad? Its got nothing to do with the US starting a full-scale war on Iran. Thats a doomsday scenario. The most that would happen is a few targetted strikes, which the US would only probably do by proxy while its allie will take the heat at the UN. Hardly any other nation in the regions wants a nuclear Iran. Ever hear of Saudi Arabia, which Iran's state controlled media has also libelled?

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 6:00:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Term: They can build many refineries with the help of Russia.

True, but one doesn't just fly to Moscow and go to the Russian "Toys RUs" and pick up a Lego Refinery Kit. They take a while to bring online.

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 6:00:50 PM   
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Some perspective -
So who does this hurt ?

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interesting chart Termy but i dont see China on there.. not that it matters to this particular discussion, just my curiousity wonders what it would show about that country..

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 6:28:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		"interesting chart Termy but i dont see China on there.. "

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/china-oil-demand-projected-hit-11-mmbpd-2015-25-now-will-reach-consumption-parity-us-2030

Same here, and I don't see Japan either. That article claims that they have oil but their consumption v their usage makes it unconducive to persue pumping it. In the case of Japan, they have so little land that to have a drop in the bucket the oil would have to be squirting up 300 ft. in the air. However I do find it odd that at least their consumption isn't on the chart.

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 6:29:39 PM   
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http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=cn&product=oil&graph=consumption




But here's what people don't understand. China can get oil from China, Russia, Norway, Venezuela, plenty of places and that includes Iran. It is not in China's best interest to let the west lock up most of the viable sources, and since the west tends to operate from halfway across the globe instead of REALLY taking over a country, China is quite sure of herself, because of the fact that they are cool with Russia.

So is Iran. People keep forgetting that. Alot of countries would be quite influenced if a couple of bigboys like China and Russia told the US to go fuck off. In fact Russia alone would be enough.

Who cares ? Let the M.A.D. continue to it's fruition. Feed it, support it. That'll fixem because know why ?

They have the most to lose. Oil the war machine and add in our young Men. Take our pensions and life savings to affect some government hald a world away, just because. Because they will not play ball with us. Becaus it'sd a game, when your own blood has no chance of spilling.

The people who want these wars are safer than some people sitting home playing monopoly. Or worse yet, scrabble. It's like they roll the dice in a game of risk and we are the armies.

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 6:53:11 PM   
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True, but one doesn't just fly to Moscow and go to the Russian "Toys RUs" and pick up a Lego Refinery Kit. They take a while to bring online.


That leaves me wondering how many they are building. If I were running the thing tis would be a priority. We got the fucking money, use it right. Hey, maybe the whole nuke thing is a hoax and they are putting up refineries and about to change the moneygraphics of the region.

And I get what you say, they can't just go pickup a Ronco Home Petro-cracker kit. But how long did it take when you worked ? Two or three years right ? Well things change and they can probably get it done in six months now. However they know they are under surveilence and for a refinery to work you need a bunch of area, and therefore roads to it. I don't see a country like Iran having a problem building a few refineries. I could be wrong though not having looked into it. There may be impediments of which I am not aware.

But my point is that people got this idea in their head that everyone in the world has to obey us. Well I do not agree, and a good part of the world does not agree either.

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 6:53:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought Iran only supplied 3% of the market?

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 6:57:39 PM   
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I thought Iran only supplied 3% of the market?


This is true, however, they still haven't fully learned math.  They count by 100's.

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 6:58:50 PM   
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Meh....it`ll go up a little...whatever.
Probably the best and most direct way to fuck with their fundi-rightwing-dictator like leaders is to cut off oil money.
Economic blockade didn't work quite well with Cuba. It would provoke povetry, but would make reforms harder and would not prevent the nuclear program (see North Korea about miserable countries developing nukes).



(I could have sworn you mentioned something about leaving CM...somewhat abruptly if I recall).

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 7:11:22 PM   
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This is true, however, they still haven't fully learned math. They count by 100's.


Really. Math now, 3%. OK what does the US supply ?

Fucking zero. The fact is that 3% is more than zero, in fact we supply a negative amount. And we are among few countries in that respect, at least to anything near this degree. The US, Japan, India, China and a few others that don't mean much.

Almost all of the other countries have a positive cash flow when it comes to black gold. Doesn't anyone see this ? Do you understand positive cash flow ?

I know our government sure as hell doesn't, but some people do.

See folks, this is a human trait. Strength, which is very useful in offense, is oft mistaken for invulnerability. The weaknesses are forgotten. When that happpens, goliaths tumble.

This is where this society is at, mentally as a unit. Lacking maturity. The idea now is to take from others. It has to run it's course.

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 7:14:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand that, T. I still dont see how a 3% reduction will cause oil to double.

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 7:16:10 PM   
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at least to anyonewho dislikes speculators

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 7:30:51 PM   
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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 8:41:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just wondering tazzy... you did see where for the first time in many years America is an exporter of energy. Otherwise we sell more energy than we buy. So I doubt under any circumstance energy costs would double if oil did.

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 8:52:46 PM   
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True, but one doesn't just fly to Moscow and go to the Russian "Toys RUs" and pick up a Lego Refinery Kit. They take a while to bring online.


That leaves me wondering how many they are building. If I were running the thing tis would be a priority. We got the fucking money, use it right. Hey, maybe the whole nuke thing is a hoax and they are putting up refineries and about to change the moneygraphics of the region.

And I get what you say, they can't just go pickup a Ronco Home Petro-cracker kit. But how long did it take when you worked ? Two or three years right ? Well things change and they can probably get it done in six months now. However they know they are under surveilence and for a refinery to work you need a bunch of area, and therefore roads to it. I don't see a country like Iran having a problem building a few refineries. I could be wrong though not having looked into it. There may be impediments of which I am not aware.

But my point is that people got this idea in their head that everyone in the world has to obey us. Well I do not agree, and a good part of the world does not agree either.

T^T

Really, I have no frikkin' idea how long it takes to build a refinery. Those things are HUGE. And I guess it would depend on the technology one wanted, like ultra-low sulfer fuel, high efficiency catalytic cracking, stuff like that. If I were Iran, I'd be building nuclear power generation facilities.

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 9:58:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		"If I were Iran, I'd be building nuclear power generation facilities. "

The fact is they want nukes because they want a gun under the pillow. They don't want the west to walk in there and fuck the place up with impunity like they did in Iraq, and that is understandable. They want to be able to say "We aren't going to bomb anyone, but if you fuck with us we will".

It makes far more sense for them to build refineries becasue they have the raw materials on site, in stock so to speak.

If I were President I would go to Iran and tell them they can just have nukes and we ain't gonna fuck with them about it. I would also mention that if they ever bombed anyone with them there would be no Iran.

So all they really buy by having nukes is the ability to annihilate themselves.

Now understand this, do we care ? YES. If they have nukes, and maybe don't even have good missiles, if we go there and take over, they can blow off the nuke right there laying waste - to all we are fighting for. You see a nuke would either destroy or make their natural resources near impossible to steal ( we would be like a probate attourney eh ? ). They would rather destroy it than let their enemies have it.

And I agree with them and I would do exactly what they are doing now. Succor relations with other nations that are sick of this axis shit, hell bent on absolutely controlling every fucking blade of grass.

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RE: Iran says price of oil would double - 12/4/2011 9:58:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why is it that those who propose strong action against Iran's alleged nuclear weapons program only talk about punitive options against Iran?

Force should only ever be considered as a last resort....yes? It seems incumbent on those proposing military initiatives to demonstrate that ALL other alternatives have been exhausted. Thus far, this hasn't happened. Exhausting sanctions is not exhausting all other alternatives.

There are number of peaceful alternatives that could see Iran signing up to a verifiable no-nukes treaty. Yet these are never discussed. It's almost as though they don't exist. Why?

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