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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 7:55:55 AM

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When I was in school (studying to be a paralegal) part of learning the law is to learn how to divorce yourself from emotional thinking (when debating, etc.) It's an interesting concept and an interesting way of looking at the world. I'm sure if I had gone on to become an attorney, I would have learned even more. It does change the way you think and see the world. But of course I still can be emotional when I post. I just choose when and where I expend that energy.

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 7:58:47 AM

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as I said.. to me it is. Passion = drive, its sustaining
I certainly dont talk about my passions on here.. no reason to anyway..

The statement alone blew my mind. I read the "to me" part. I just can't fathom it. I always thought that "passion" meant pretty much the same thing to everyone.

Don't get me wrong. I understand that your assertion that issues can be discussed and debated without any emotion is a difficult one to defend. I just thought there was something other than discrediting the very definition of "emotion".

I promise, I am trying to understand because the concept is alien to me. I have always been very passionate about many things. I truly am curious how one makes their beliefs/opinions/viewpoints known ... hell, I'm wondering how one forms their beliefs/opinions/viewpoints without some amount of emotion.

As I said in a previous post: If you asked me to give you an assessment about migrant farm workers' rights in Southern California, I'd have to go and do some research because I know nothing about the subject but, between reading articles, laws, etc. and giving you my opinion, I'd have to decide how I felt about the data I'd absorbed (Do I believe the data, to begin with).

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Edited to add: There are plenty of issues about which I don't care. Therefore, I have no opinion and no amount of emotion but on any issue that I've formed an opinion, I realize that a certain amount of emotion went into my thought process of forming that opinion.

I dont see how i could form an objective opinion otherwise.. but as i have said before, i try to keep my emotions at bay, as much as humanly possible..
I am not a Terminator robot after all.. but following your logic, the Terminators must be acting on emotion cuz they were hell bent on destroying humans...

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 8:05:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

When I was in school (studying to be a paralegal) part of learning the law is to learn how to divorce yourself from emotional thinking (when debating, etc.) It's an interesting concept and an interesting way of looking at the world. I'm sure if I had gone on to become an attorney, I would have learned even more. It does change the way you think and see the world. But of course I still can be emotional when I post. I just choose when and where I expend that energy.

That makes sense, and I agree -- it is possible to separate emotion from an issue -- it's kinda necessary at times to make objective decisions. No problem there.

I just don't feel like I have to do that all the time.

Imagine a world where everything ran on emotions and whims -- that would be a quagmire and a half. :p

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 8:07:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
When I was in school (studying to be a paralegal) part of learning the law is to learn how to divorce yourself from emotional thinking (when debating, etc.) It's an interesting concept and an interesting way of looking at the world. I'm sure if I had gone on to become an attorney, I would have learned even more. It does change the way you think and see the world. But of course I still can be emotional when I post. I just choose when and where I expend that energy.

yes, when i was in my 20s i spent some time investing in the stock market and a bit in futures contracts and there you really need to learn to control your emotions or you can get whip-sawed... the biggest emotions are fear and greed..

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 8:08:21 AM

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For me divorcing passion from emotions is simple. I don't debate. I state.

Meaning, I will say what I believe and then walk away. I don't care what others think. What matters to me is what I think.

Well, you can't "divorce passion from emotion" because emotion is the very definition of passion:

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ORIGINAL: American Heritage Dictionary (as accessed through yahoo)
pas·sion (pshn) KEY

NOUN:

1. A powerful emotion, such as love, joy, hatred, or anger.
2.
A. Ardent love.
B. Strong sexual desire; lust.
C. The object of such love or desire.

3.
A. Boundless enthusiasm: His skills as a player don't quite match his passion for the game.
B. The object of such enthusiasm: Soccer is her passion.

4. An abandoned display of emotion, especially of anger: He's been known to fly into a passion without warning.

I think even more important is down at the bottom of the page ...

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ORIGINAL: American Heritage Dictionary (as accessed through yahoo)
These nouns denote powerful, intense emotion. Passion is a deep, overwhelming emotion: "There is not a passion so strongly rooted in the human heart as envy" (Richard Brinsley Sheridan). The term may signify sexual desire or anger: "He flew into a violent passion and abused me mercilessly" (H.G. Wells). Fervor is great warmth and intensity of feeling: "The union of the mathematician with the poet, fervor with measure, passion with correctness, this surely is the ideal" (William James). Fire is burning passion: "In our youth our hearts were touched with fire" (Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.). Zeal is strong, enthusiastic devotion to a cause, ideal, or goal and tireless diligence in its furtherance: "Laurie [resolved], with a glow of philanthropic zeal, to found and endow an institution for ... women with artistic tendencies" (Louisa May Alcott). Ardor is fiery intensity of feeling: "the furious ardor of my zeal repressed" (Charles Churchill). See also Synonyms at feeling.

As for the second part of your post: I have no trouble believing that a person might not care about what other people think but the question posed by the OP is asking if you have any emotion when you post on the forums.

Again: if you have no emotion about a topic; if you don't care about a topic, why would you waste your time posting about it?

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 8:15:24 AM

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I am not a Terminator robot after all.. but following your logic, the Terminators must be acting on emotion cuz they were hell bent on destroying humans...

Terminators are not sentient beings. They're machines, whose only reason for being is to perform the tasks to which they're assigned.

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 8:18:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
When I was in school (studying to be a paralegal) part of learning the law is to learn how to divorce yourself from emotional thinking (when debating, etc.) It's an interesting concept and an interesting way of looking at the world. I'm sure if I had gone on to become an attorney, I would have learned even more. It does change the way you think and see the world. But of course I still can be emotional when I post. I just choose when and where I expend that energy.

I never made it to law school either but I am almost positive that this is only half true.

A prosecutor is charged with representing their "client" without passion or prejudice while a defense attorney's job is to zealously defend their client. I can't be sure but, I'm almost positive that those ideals are part of the canons of the legal profession.

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 8:21:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Again: if you have no emotion about a topic; if you don't care about a topic, why would you waste your time posting about it?
Peace and comfort,
Michael[/color]

it could be for various reasons, could be you know something about the subject, could be you want to clear up some mis-information, could be you are bored or passing time, could be you want to hear other opinions if you havent formed one yet, could be you want to fuck with a poster's mind and wind them up, could be you are just a nasty troll.. i am sure there could be other reasons as well..

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 8:25:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: tj444
I am not a Terminator robot after all.. but following your logic, the Terminators must be acting on emotion cuz they were hell bent on destroying humans...

Terminators are not sentient beings. They're machines, whose only reason for being is to perform the tasks to which they're assigned.
Peace and comfort
Michael

now that's crazy talk..

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 9:09:09 AM

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i find myself overwhelmed with emotion a lot of the time, throughout life. In fact, i have to keep reminding myself to put things in perspective.

pam this surprises me...I've always found your posts thoughtful, interesting, and to the point but not particularly emotional…It just shows how hard it is to get a true picture of someone without observing body language.

This. (Peon!) Now, I'm sure I haven't read every post you've ever made, but I would say that you are one of the more even-keeled, less emotional persons here. Shows what I know, huh?

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 9:26:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

When I was in school (studying to be a paralegal) part of learning the law is to learn how to divorce yourself from emotional thinking (when debating, etc.) It's an interesting concept and an interesting way of looking at the world. I'm sure if I had gone on to become an attorney, I would have learned even more. It does change the way you think and see the world. But of course I still can be emotional when I post. I just choose when and where I expend that energy.

I like this very much and thank you for posting it Blushes. It reminded me of a conversation I had with a friend who is an attorney. He is a delightful man, very caring, a loving father and husband. He was representing a client that had committed a very horrible crime. Something that most people could not imagine, from any of the perspectives. Either commiting the act, being the victim, or being the victim's family and knowing what happened to her. I asked him how he was able to do his job so well, all things considered.

He told me that he simply focuses on the law. Making sure that procedure is followed and that the client's constitutional rights are maintained. That the client receives a fair trial and has fair representation. He focuses on that, doing what he feels is fair and just. Doing his best to keep emotionally detached from the crime itself.

I think that when debating, for ME, it's sometimes more productive to actually try and look at the issue from a place outside the place my emotions actually reside on the issue. Just as an example to explain, on the issue of abortion. My gut emotional stance is against it. But if I am going to debate the issue, I will generally take the side for it. Kinda goofy and weird, but it helps me learn and understand a stance on an issue that is not aligned with my own. And it helps keep me from getting all emotional and irrational about the discussion.

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 9:58:40 AM

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Again: if you have no emotion about a topic; if you don't care about a topic, why would you waste your time posting about it?

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 9:59:04 AM

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I do try to be detached about my cases, but I do occasionally become invested emotionally in a client or their situation. On thoe other hand, more often i have had clients become upset because I am not more emotionally involved in their cases.

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 2:58:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

When I was in school (studying to be a paralegal) part of learning the law is to learn how to divorce yourself from emotional thinking (when debating, etc.) It's an interesting concept and an interesting way of looking at the world. I'm sure if I had gone on to become an attorney, I would have learned even more. It does change the way you think and see the world. But of course I still can be emotional when I post. I just choose when and where I expend that energy.

This brought up a memory for me. When I told my father I was going to divorce my husband, some of the best advice he gave me (which I had trouble following, actually) was to detach myself emotionally from the process. He said to look at it as a business transaction, so that I wouldn't get so sucked in I'd lose perspective. It really took practice for me to be able to do this, and I didn't always succeed.

I appreciate the other comments re: books, and found what tj444 said particularly interesting - about reading non-fiction only.

LaT, I too find human behaviors and interactions fascinating. I also like to figure out why I respond to things the way I do, too. I've learned a lot about myself that way (for example, I found myself feeling extremely angry during the first couple of Pilates classes I tried - I kept going back until I could figure out why, but that's a whole other topic lol).

As for emotions being affected during posting, I was also thinking about my job. I work for a large company with offices throughout the state. I often regularly interact (email/IM) with people I have never met. Over time, relationships (to some degree) are formed, and I've come to care about these people. Just like here at CM - I have interacted (whether on the boards or in CMail, and in some cases on the phone and in person) with so many people for a number a years, so yes I DO care about them, and that's why my emotions are affected, particularly by what long-timers have to say. As mentioned before, when negatively affected, I examine myself to understand why. I like that process, even when it's difficult.

Thanks for such a great topic. I love this stuff!

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 4:04:19 PM

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I love it also.

Last night I went to a holiday cocktail party. Most of the people there I only know casually. I know them enough to be past the beginning of meeting a person but that is about it. Most of them know one another a great deal better than they know me or visa versa. That of course, led to them talking to one another more than me, which my job as the party photographer magnified a bit. The camera always creates a slight distance.

The combination put me in a very good position to be very aware of the body language and various energy flows between different people, even partners both business and personal. And, because of the few people there that I do know very well, I had inside information on various issues between various people.

The great people watching combined with really enjoyable company and conversation made for a very enjoyable, but also very very late evening.

We had 70 miles to drive back home at o-dark-thirty in the morning (didn't get to bed until after 3am), it was nice to be able to discuss our views of the evening and the various dynamics we observed.

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 8:00:36 PM

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It is certainly possible to go through an emotional experience and be, well, unemotional. When my husband of 20 years and I decided to split, we did a good job of treating each other fairly, just like two people who' used to love each other should. Neither of us got too hung up on stuff, and I took the first offer of property division he made me, because it was fair. Our marriage was more like a business venture than a relationship, but it sure made breaking up easy.

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/11/2011 9:45:03 PM

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Terminators are not sentient beings. They're machines, whose only reason for being is to perform the tasks to which they're assigned.
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Dude, since we were talking about.. Terminators.. I remembered an article i clipped a while ago...

http://news.yahoo.com/ibm-pursues-chips-behave-brains-064403419.html

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/18/ibms-cognitive-computing-chip-functions-like-a-human-brain-her/

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/12/2011 1:39:34 AM

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pam this surprises me...I've always found your posts thoughtful, interesting, and to the point but not particularly emotional…It just shows how hard it is to get a true picture of someone without observing body language.

i often feel more than i express. i pull back because i'm shy, for diplomacy, and to correct for the tendency to be too emotional.

pam

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/12/2011 5:14:20 AM

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hell, I'm wondering how one forms their beliefs/opinions/viewpoints without some amount of emotion.

Thats what I am wondering as well. If I have no emotion about something, feel no passion about something, then I have no opinion on it one way or the other.

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RE: How does emotion figure into your on-line interacti... - 12/12/2011 7:05:23 AM

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I believe that is an individual thing. I have opinions about a lot of things that I really do not have an emotional attachment to whether or not my opinion is correct.

It is my opinion that it is summer south of the equator. I base that opinion on the facts I am aware of. I have no emotional attachment to whether it is summer in Australia or not. I only have the opinion that it very likely is.

I have the opinion that Rick Perry is a blithering idiot. I have no emotional attachment to whether he is or not. Either way, it doesn't affect me or my life.

< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 12/12/2011 7:06:16 AM >

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