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RE: Romance and Domination - 5/15/2004 12:09:32 PM   
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I personally feel that you cannot fully submit if you do not love your Master or Mistress and the same goes for the Dominants as well. To surrender you must be able to trust them with your whole being. Also I think Love is needed for any relationship to last long term.

Just my .02

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RE: Romance and Domination - 5/18/2004 2:17:50 AM   
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I sometimes feel I dont belong in the 'lifestyle' as I want to find someone with whom I can have the best of both worlds .... I want to be with someone who I love first, and who is a Dom secondly. I cannot let myself truly be submissive with someone unless they inspire the feelings of submission in me .. which is only usually once I am completely besotted with them and WANT to submit to them. Being a brat, its hard for me to be submissive at the best of times

So if my Dom sent me those flowers with that note, my knees would go weak and by the time he got home that night there would be a 3 course meal home cooked and me all grovelly and subby, waiting to fawn over him in gratitude.

If S/HE gains pleasure from making you happy, there is nothing un-Domly about it whatsoever.

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RE: Romance and Domination - 5/18/2004 9:29:51 AM   
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I haven't read all the posts on this, but I'm curious why most of the ones that I have read, assume that showing affection and appreciation is a weakness. I would feel wonderful if my Master sent me flowers (only I like white roses. LOL!) and a note like that. I wouldn't even consider the thought of it being a weakness. I would think of it as a reminder of what I mean to him. Personally, it's a wonderful feeling when I know that my Master is proud of me, or appreciates me, or loves me for who I am. Knowing that I can please him doesn't make me want to take advantage of him. It just makes me want to please him more.

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RE: Romance and Domination - 5/23/2004 7:07:54 PM   
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From a Dominant who views Dominance and submission as a multi-pieced jigsaw puzzle, I feel the roses would be a symbol of love, respect, and affection for the submissive (or slave) in question, and not a sign of weakness. To me, being a Dominant is not (only) being a hard-ass, forcing control or showing only a hard, controlling exterior. The human side of each of us should be embraced and shown, for better or worse.

Just my thoughts, thank you,

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RE: Romance and Domination - 5/23/2004 7:09:09 PM   
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And a well-written .02 it is, thank you for the mirror to my thoughts, Mistress Steele


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ORIGINAL: MistressSteele

I personally feel that you cannot fully submit if you do not love your Master or Mistress and the same goes for the Dominants as well. To surrender you must be able to trust them with your whole being. Also I think Love is needed for any relationship to last long term.

Just my .02

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RE: Romance and Domination - 5/23/2004 8:21:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetieboop
I haven't read all the posts on this, but I'm curious why most of the ones that I have read, assume that showing affection and appreciation is a weakness. I would feel wonderful if my Master sent me flowers (only I like white roses. LOL!) and a note like that. I wouldn't even consider the thought of it being a weakness. I would think of it as a reminder of what I mean to him. Personally, it's a wonderful feeling when I know that my Master is proud of me, or appreciates me, or loves me for who I am. Knowing that I can please him doesn't make me want to take advantage of him. It just makes me want to please him more.


I think that says it all right there.

He's a lucky man. *smile*

I know I know, the normal response is to say "Actually *I'm* the lucky one" but there isn't a need to say that cuz you already did with your post, hehehe, I just wanted to say HE was lucky too, and I'm quite sure that he is aware of that.

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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 5:40:34 PM   
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I admit to always being amused by this topic of inquiry.
Speaking only from a TPE perspective I will say that Ds/Sm/relationships are about love.
Now I can see the eyes rolling the heads shaking but I am not exclusively speaking about romantic love however I also do not reject the idea of it meaning just that.
First off a slave “loves” its Owner, pure and simple. You can argue the place that love comes from and the motivation but none the less it is love based, not hate or fear, those reasons for surrender never last long.
I have seen people say oh when love entered into the relationship it all changed, well I’d say then the relationship was less than was assumed to start with because if I love a slave I will Dominate her more not less. I will use her more not less. Why?
Because to honor and respect Total surrender can only be accomplished by Total Domination so therefore the “love” is in providing for E/each O/others true deepest needs rather than mere wants.
Frankly I am tempted to say that the questioning whether love and Ds/Sm go together comes from a vanilla perspective, a vanilla way of “thinking “about Ds/Sm.
So My answer is a strong yes, love and Ds/Sm relationships not only go hand in hand but in fact are a deep and profoundly personal expression of love and little else.
After all the body and sexuality are merely physical expressions of spiritual submission and Domination.

Enjoy your wonder-filled day

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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 6:03:22 PM   
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Here's my take.  If I sent my submissive roses, a heart felt card and and a box of chocolates.  If she was questioning my Dominance over this, then I would say she is having an issue with affection and love as being a hard limit.  You should accept his Dominance over your heart as well as over your body. 





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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 6:10:32 PM   
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i have never known a more romantic or affectionate man, ever. Does this make me think any less of Him?? definately not. i am under His control always and the love and romance only aids me in my submission to Him. Neither of us have ever known such a love, or the freedom and peace that this love brings. We belong together
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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 6:19:23 PM   
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I want mine to love me and love me deep,one to walk through fire and ice for me.IN return I offer her protection and a lot of like because love with my submissives is a hard limit....bounty

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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 6:25:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas

Your question more or less answers itself katerina. You wonder. Any collared slave or submissive would. What exactly does this mean.? Can you now manipulate your dominant or master because they are so taken with you? Will they bend to your will rather than risk losing you? If you are like most of the women that I have known over the years, you'll try and find out. You won't feel secure until you do. You'll test and probe, to see if there is weakness there that you can exploit. You probably won't even know that you are doing it, except maybe in hindsight. If you do find that your dominant is so smitten that you can bend them, or wrap them around your finger, it's the beginning of the end.

Leonidas


Greetings Leonidas...
 
I see that this is a revived thread from 3-31-04; however , I  had to comment on the power of knowledge in these words for submissives and Dominants alike.
 
Always,
~curious~

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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 6:31:44 PM   
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I completely agree, Curious.

I also have to say if my Master ever sent a note like the one referenced in the OP I'd ask if he was high.  I don't want to be his source of strength and his light.  That's not something that would be good for us at all.

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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 6:40:13 PM   
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my perception of Daddy would never change if He never sent me gifts or chocolates yet He does because He enjoys doing this to show how much He loves His daughter/submissive. i relish and delight in every small token of appreciation and love He bestows upon me. i don't see this as weakness since i'm Daddy's little special girl to be spoiled. 

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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 6:52:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Katerina

The note reads: For you, the love and passion of my life. My strength and wisdom, the vessel that is always full and ready to quench my needs; the courage to endure and remain loyal and true and one with my soul; my light and vision, the fulfillment of all my dreams.

Would your perception of them change? Would they seem, somehow, less dominant, less in control? Would you, as a sub or slave, see a weakness there, you may not have seen before?


I not only find the above terribly romantic, but also an act that is potentially very dominant. One of the greatest desires of many submissives is to feel accepted, worthy.. A gift like that acts as a reminder that one is. Plus, it is an active choice on the part of the dominant to be romantic.

I don't agree that all romantic elements in a D/s relationship have to have some sort of kink attached. They just have to be initiated by, and under the control of, the dominant.

In what possible manner could such an act of defining a relationship be seen as a sign of weakness?

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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 7:05:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas

Your question more or less answers itself katerina. You wonder. Any collared slave or submissive would. What exactly does this mean.? Can you now manipulate your dominant or master because they are so taken with you? Will they bend to your will rather than risk losing you? If you are like most of the women that I have known over the years, you'll try and find out. You won't feel secure until you do. You'll test and probe, to see if there is weakness there that you can exploit. You probably won't even know that you are doing it, except maybe in hindsight. If you do find that your dominant is so smitten that you can bend them, or wrap them around your finger, it's the beginning of the end.

What I am saying here certainly applies more to Master/slave relations than it does for couples whose D/s lifestyle begins and ends in the bedroom. If D/s is just about play time for you, then it certainly can coexist just fine with romantic notions of mutual devotion and heartfelt professions of undying love. My experience is that consentual slavery doesn't mix so well with classical notions of romance. That isn't to say that there isn't deep affection and even love in such relationships, the dynamics are just very different.

Take care of yourself.

Leonidas

I suppose that all depends upon perspective, and what you believe is possible. If you live in a constant dread of the manipulative tendencies of those you love, If you feel a need to prove your dominance, and that you have no need for your slaves, in fact that you are being magnanimous even keeping them around... well, yeah. I guess you will have to remain ever vigilant against manipulation. Of course, you will often fail too. You'll be surprised at how effectively a person can manipulate if you -expect- them to.

I tend to believe that serious full-time D/s, or even M/s, can exist even in a state of mutual devotion. In fact, it might be more solid. Because the slave feels needed, accepted....fulfilled. But, I will admit that I don't have a lot of experience. I've had servants, no full slaves, and there was less romantic love than just genuine affection.

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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 7:12:15 PM   
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I'm not much of a romantic in any recognizable way, but the sweetest thing a D-type ever did was give me a whole handful of ciggarette lighters.  It was such an honest gesture that came out of no-where, I was totally floored by it.  It didn't lessen his dominance.

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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 7:14:35 PM   
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Maybe its different being a Dominant woman, but male submissives are supposed
to spoil their women.

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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 7:20:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Katerina

Would your perception of them change? Would they seem, somehow, less dominant, less in control? Would you, as a sub or slave, see a weakness there, you may not have seen before?

Do romance and domination live in the same bed, walk down the same road, or are they forever separated when Dom/me and sub make that committment to each other along the dusty crossroads of life?


My perception of Master would not change one bit - his softer side is part of who he is, and it is in those moments that I know that I am involved in a ~whole~ relationship that is not just one-sided in his favor.

Romance / consideration / expressions of love and appreciation are the payoffs for me and he is good at showing me his pleasure in me. It is give and take, not just him taking from me and giving nothing in return.

His thoughtfulness would not alert me to any sort of shoe dropping, although if a shoe ~did~ drop, I am sure I'd like that as well, knowing Master and his mind fucks as I do.

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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 7:32:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Katerina

hypothetical....
Your Master/Mistress, Dom/me walks throught the door or stops by your house, or sends it by courier...a dozen yellow roses and a box of chocolates.

You know he/she is not trying to make up for some bumbling error they committed on your body or being, nor did you catch them with the tramp next door.

The note reads: For you, the love and passion of my life. My strength and wisdom, the vessel that is always full and ready to quench my needs; the courage to endure and remain loyal and true and one with my soul; my light and vision, the fulfillment of all my dreams.

Would your perception of them change? Would they seem, somehow, less dominant, less in control? Would you, as a sub or slave, see a weakness there, you may not have seen before?

Or would you just accept the gifts, in the spirit they were given, as the note implies, and not wonder if the other shoe is somehow, about to drop?

Do romance and domination live in the same bed, walk down the same road, or are they forever separated when Dom/me and sub make that committment to each other along the dusty crossroads of life?

Be safe and well,
katerina


I'd think somebody else wrote the card. That's about it.

Valyraen has given me roses. He has given me cards and chocolate. He surprised me with a beautiful rose on my computer for Valentine's day. Such things make me happy, stereotypical though they may be. When he was very late with a Valentine's card, he wrote me a beautiful message about how much he cared for me in the belated card. Such things do not make him less dominant. They simply mean he cares about my happiness. It's healthy in a loving relationship, regardless of the power dynamic.

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RE: Romance and Domination - 4/11/2007 7:34:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SAMANTHALYNNE

PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM DOMINATION AS FAR AS YOU CAN
SINCERELY
SAMANTHALYNNE
DOMINATION IS A SIN AGAINST EVERYONE THAT IS BEING DOMINATED AND IF A PERSON REALLY LOVES YOU THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE THREATENED BY FREEDOM,AND IF SOMEONE REALLY LOVES THEN THEY WOULD LET YOU BE FREE AND THEY WOULD NOT LET YOU BE TRAPPED IN DOMINATION THEY WOULD SET YOU FREE
I FOUND OUT THAT DOMINATION IS BAD THE HARD WAY,STAY AWAY FROM DOMINATION IT WILL ONLY HURT ALL THOSE WHO ARE TRAPPED BY IT.


She joined in 04 to tell us this? I mean... this is just sad. She clearly has no idea what loving domination is about. I find my wings in submission.

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