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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 9:07:05 AM   
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That was the view of your masters, still is.



not anybody, or anyperson is My Master,

I will let that Slide... For now..

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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 9:11:12 AM   
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When I talk about Israel and Palestine I am talking politically, not religiously. "Expelled by god" is a farcical basis for any political claims to territory.


on what political claims did the state israel is formed on?
since The founders of the state of israel were terrorists in the era of the British Mandate...


Youve gone down this path before, and I told you then, if youre going to mimic tweakabelle's rhetoric Im not going there with someone brainwashed their whole lives. If you can make an attempt to break out of that and actually learn history that was hidden from you, then we've got something to talk about.

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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 9:11:32 AM   
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Of course Palestine existsnow.

But it didn't.

None of your ancestors had Jerusalem as thier national Capital.

none of them ever.

Unless your a jew.


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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 9:13:59 AM   
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I find it sad you are so clueless as to what happened to your people.

Palestine does not exist because of the larger Arab struggle. Not because Isreal does.

Now it has morphed into a Shia/Sunni struggle, but it still has the same effect.

Factions of Militants who answer to outside forces, killing and continuing War.

Its sad.


I find it more sad that you are actually Wrong,
what happened to My people, is just because Isreal does exist......

Did they Arabs Bomb Gaza?


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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 9:22:02 AM   
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no, actually your (claiming to be a Palestinian in Syria who has free internet access in one of the most censored places on the planet, risking death for being on line and political as you do......) just a person. You can claim to be a PLO leader--or the queen of england---It doesn't mean anything.
Of course Palestine existsnow.
But it didn't.
None of your ancestors had Jerusalem as thier national Capital.
none of them ever.
Unless your a jew.


When the "Muslims" Arabs conquered Palestine was not only a handful of Jews
& Jerusalem was not the capital of any country or state back then.

PS:I did not claim to be a PLO leader, I said :

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If you want, I can join the PLO today, give that Speach & become a Leader in the PLO tomorrow? so if I did that would you quote what I just said?

do you need Glasses? take mein...

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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 9:28:36 AM   
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Did they Arabs Bomb Gaza?


Yes. Many times.

and thousands of shootings.


Bands of militants directed by outsiders, I already covered this.

You know that Palestinian factions (fighting for controll of the movement) have killed way more Palestinains than Isreal has.


You know that in 48--- 2 Palestinian States were declared and they were fighting each other the first day.


Don't you?



You must let go of the Hate man. Live

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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 9:29:34 AM   
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Youve gone down this path before, and I told you then, if youre going to mimic tweakabelle's rhetoric Im not going there with someone brainwashed their whole lives. If you can make an attempt to break out of that and actually learn history that was hidden from you, then we've got something to talk about.


Oh Please ..... Please Please enlighten my mind,

on the Other Hand, I do know the history, "It was not hidden from Me",
& I researched other things, & they are also dose not a right to claim a Land after 3000 years, or am I beeing brainwashed?


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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 9:32:33 AM   
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Did they Arabs Bomb Gaza?


Yes. Many times.



Fucking When?

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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 9:38:59 AM   
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You know that in 48--- 2 Palestinian States were declared and they were fighting each other the first day.

Don't you?
You must let go of the Hate man. Live


Wrong, in 1948, there was a Jordanian front & Eygptian Front, that Dose not make them fighting Each other they were Fighting Israel,

I Let go of the hate, Long ago, but now you & other People say that I dont Fucking exist,
now I have to bring back the hate, & fight the Fire With Fire.

If you dont Actually think That I do exist, then Do you think that we will go somewhere with this?


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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 9:47:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hamas forces battled Fatah-linked fighters with mortars and machine guns in a crowded Gaza neighborhood Saturday, leaving at least nine dead in the worst Palestinian infighting in nine months.
About 88 people were injured, 12 of them children, hospital officials said.

Loud explosions and gunfire could be heard throughout the day in the Gaza City neighborhood of Shijaiyeh, a stronghold of the Fatah-allied Hilles clan. Hamas accuses the clan of hiding suspects responsible for a car bombing last week that killed five activists of the Islamic militant group.

Hamas and the largely secular, Western-backed Fatah have waged a violent struggle for control of Gaza for years. But there have been few signs of Fatah resistance since Hamas seized control of the strip in June 2007.

Relations between the factions deteriorated sharply last week after the car bombing that killed Hamas militants in Gaza and each side has been cracking down on political opponents with growing intensity. Hamas in Gaza and Fatah loyalists of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas who control the West Bank have carried out mass arrests.


2008


I can cite hundreds of articles like this


one side sunni supported the other shia/Iranian supported.

Dead Palestinain kids


and this has been going on basically nonstop since the early 1950s.

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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 9:51:30 AM   
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You know that in 48--- 2 Palestinian States were declared and they were fighting each other the first day.

Don't you?
You must let go of the Hate man. Live


Wrong, in 1948, there was a Jordanian front & Eygptian Front, that Dose not make them fighting Each other they were Fighting Israel,

I Let go of the hate, Long ago, but now you & other People say that I dont Fucking exist,
now I have to bring back the hate, & fight the Fire With Fire.

If you dont Actually think That I do exist, then Do you think that we will go somewhere with this?






Its sad you don't use your internet acces to learn real history ashjor.

It is way way more complicated than you are pretending.

Of course you exist.

I never said otherwise.

Palestine as a nationality did not exist untill 60 years ago.

Thats simply a fact.


If you choose hate over using your priviledged status to learn the truth......

Its just sad.

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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 10:10:05 AM   
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Hamas forces battled Fatah-linked fighters with mortars and machine guns in a crowded Gaza neighborhood Saturday, leaving at least nine dead in the worst Palestinian infighting in nine months.
About 88 people were injured, 12 of them children, hospital officials said.

Loud explosions and gunfire could be heard throughout the day in the Gaza City neighborhood of Shijaiyeh, a stronghold of the Fatah-allied Hilles clan. Hamas accuses the clan of hiding suspects responsible for a car bombing last week that killed five activists of the Islamic militant group.

Hamas and the largely secular, Western-backed Fatah have waged a violent struggle for control of Gaza for years. But there have been few signs of Fatah resistance since Hamas seized control of the strip in June 2007.

Relations between the factions deteriorated sharply last week after the car bombing that killed Hamas militants in Gaza and each side has been cracking down on political opponents with growing intensity. Hamas in Gaza and Fatah loyalists of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas who control the West Bank have carried out mass arrests.


2008

I can cite hundreds of articles like this
one side sunni supported the other shia/Iranian supported.
Dead Palestinain kids
and this has been going on basically nonstop since the early 1950s.


all of these articles tell you one thing, just hear me out will you....
If there was no Israel, there will be no "Hamas or fateh or anything", let me tell you that even these kids have been killed by Fateh or hamas or whatever, the blood of these kids lies on Israel.
that Because of Israel hamas, fateh & others were here,
Let me tell you another thing ok
Fateh & hamas they have an underdtanding of what they are facing togther, untill Israel came Between them & started a fight Between them,

PS: do you know that Hamas founded by Israel help?

My Question To you Was, When did the Arabs BOMB Gaza? & you did not answere till now?
dont give me that sad face about the kids, its a lie, you dont care & I already got that,

When did the Arabs BOMB Gaza? by planes....? By tankes.....?
When did the Arabs have 52 nukes ?

all of these articles prove one damn thing .. !! admit it or call me brainwashed & leave this discussion,
I have better things to do then Making things clear for someone can not read beyond the lines.
Why did this happen?
Why Hamas was Formed? Why Hamas & fateh were Fighting?
Why thede People have been killed?
the answere is just one word..... Israel.


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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 10:16:39 AM   
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and I do resent you making such personal attacks at me.


You are truley vile.

and Arabs sent planes and tanks into Gaza in 48.


You are the one who doesn't care about the kids of Gaza, just your hate for Israel.

So sad.

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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 10:19:02 AM   
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Its sad you don't use your internet acces to learn real history ashjor.

It is way way more complicated than you are pretending.

Of course you exist.

I never said otherwise.

Palestine as a nationality did not exist untill 60 years ago.

Thats simply a fact.

If you choose hate over using your priviledged status to learn the truth......

Its just sad.


Syrian as a nationality did not exist untill 60 years ago.
Egypt as a nationality did not exist untill 60 years ago.
Jordan as a nationality did not exist untill 60 years ago.
INDIA as a nationality did not exist untill 60 years ago.
that dose not make India belong to the UK forever & give that away for the JEWS.... ?

Thats simply a fact.

PS: please provide JUST one Damn Evidence about Jerusalem was your national Capital 3000 years ago, or that king David actullay livid there?


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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 10:41:14 AM   
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Ashjor - I really like hearing your perspective here. Please don't let people irritate you and drive you away :)

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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 10:41:27 AM   
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1) If there was no Israel, there will be no "Hamas or fateh or anything",

2) let me tell you that even these kids have been killed by Fateh or hamas or whatever, the blood of these kids lies on Israel.

3) that Because of Israel hamas, fateh & others were here,

4) Fateh & hamas they have an underdtanding of what they are facing togther, untill Israel came Between them & started a fight Between them, 


5) Why did this happen?
Why Hamas was Formed? Why Hamas & fateh were Fighting?
Why thede People have been killed?
the answere is just one word..... Israel.



This is the bit I need explained, they are all related but these 5 things.

How is Israel the cause of these things?

We have the Old protestant/catholic fight in Ireland (which was ostensibly against England)...
We have black on black violence here....


What is it about Israel that makes Palistinians kill Palistinians, and how does that further the Palistinian cause?



 

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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 10:51:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thats true ashjor, all of the arab nationalities are invented.

Imposed by the Europeons if you want to get technicall.


However, Damascus has been the capital of a variety of places, it was a politcal and economic center for a culture, for centuries.

The same goes for Cairo.

And the same goes for Ramallah

And people in Gaza looked to Cairo

And people in Jerusalem area looked to Ramallah.


India has nothing to do with this at all.


Are you actually so brainwashed you don't think Jews lived in Jerusalem? (BTW I am not Jewish).

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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 11:01:32 AM   
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rather arrogant of someone to insist they know the history of a people better than one of the people do.

Ashjor, then did the same with the Native American history for a long, long time.

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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 11:34:33 AM   
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Ok, your brainwashed.
and I do resent you making such personal attacks at me.

You are truley vile.

and Arabs sent planes and tanks into Gaza in 48.


You are the one who doesn't care about the kids of Gaza, just your hate for Israel.

So sad.


Arabs did not own Plaes in the 1948.....??? WTF??? so sad huh??

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Thats true ashjor, all of the arab nationalities are invented.

Imposed by the Europeons if you want to get technicall.


However, Damascus has been the capital of a variety of places, it was a politcal and economic center for a culture, for centuries.

The same goes for Cairo.

And the same goes for Ramallah

And people in Gaza looked to Cairo

And people in Jerusalem area looked to Ramallah.


India has nothing to do with this at all.


Are you actually so brainwashed you don't think Jews lived in Jerusalem? (BTW I am not Jewish).


there is not one Damn Evidence about Jerusalem was your national Capital 3000 years ago, or that king David actullay livid there?

brainwashed.... give me one Damn Evidence to let my mind to change... how is that.

India its not the point here, the point is Palestine or Eygpt or India is not owned by the UK, to give it away for anyone.
Zionist were actually planning that if they did not Palestine they will claim angola & after that zaeer..
in the Ball convention in 1917,

PS: I hate Zionist & there is huge differant between them & Jews...


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RE: There goes the Jewish Vote! Newt and Yasser Arafat... - 12/14/2011 11:53:57 AM   
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1) If there was no Israel, there will be no "Hamas or fateh or anything",

2) let me tell you that even these kids have been killed by Fateh or hamas or whatever, the blood of these kids lies on Israel.

3) that Because of Israel hamas, fateh & others were here,

4) Fateh & hamas they have an underdtanding of what they are facing togther, untill Israel came Between them & started a fight Between them, 


5) Why did this happen?
Why Hamas was Formed? Why Hamas & fateh were Fighting?
Why thede People have been killed?
the answere is just one word..... Israel.



This is the bit I need explained, they are all related but these 5 things.

How is Israel the cause of these things?

We have the Old protestant/catholic fight in Ireland (which was ostensibly against England)...
We have black on black violence here....


What is it about Israel that makes Palistinians kill Palistinians, and how does that further the Palistinian cause?


when you claim a house that its not yours, you think you will take it that easy? without a fight from its owners?
but if you can make the owners to fight each other, & after they done you can kill the last man standing.
this methoud is easier than killing them all.... dont you think?

let me remind you, that Israel did tell fateh :
Peace with hamas...... or Peace with Israel....
the Palestinian fighting is in their own advantege.

quote:

How is Israel the cause of these things?

simple,
first there was the PLO trying to free Palestine from Israel,
when Israel can not find these SOB`s & kill them...
they have to send someone to make them fight each other,

PS: hamas was Originally PLO = Fateh "Hamas began 1990 from & with in fateh", but after Oslo....

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