RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War

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mnottertail -> RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War (12/17/2011 6:51:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Iraq belongs to the Iraqis now, theyre free to choose their own destiny Do you honestly believe that? (serious question with absolutely no snark or anything else). I don't. It is true for today, at the time he said it, tomorrow is as we all have discussed.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War (12/17/2011 7:05:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Iraq belongs to the Iraqis now, theyre free to choose their own destiny Do you honestly believe that? (serious question with absolutely no snark or anything else). I don't. It is true for today, at the time he said it, tomorrow is as we all have discussed. Today, yes but destiny has implications for the future. Iraq's future lies in decisions that are even now being made outside its borders by non Iraqis. The pic in my crystal ball ain't pretty.

mnottertail -> RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War (12/17/2011 7:07:47 AM)
Nor mine, but do you want to leave Iraq and dead americans and the strife of the soldiers on a big fucking downer note, at least let them get out of the country first.

luckydawg -> RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War (12/17/2011 7:13:07 AM)
Chough ---"third century Muslims" ---Cough Cough....

mnottertail -> RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War (12/17/2011 7:22:04 AM)
And it does. So since you didnt say he said 'liberate' (again, the word you said he said you didnt say he said) what does this impudent red herring and strawman have to do with the speech and its intent, and its meaning? And what the fuck does it have to do with this thread at all. Unless in the context of the speech, you are meaning to say within the very narrow confines that the 'we are leaving' means that we the unlawful military occupiers (us) are leaving Iraq and they liberated themselves.

mnottertail -> RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War (12/17/2011 7:28:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Chough ---"third century Muslims" ---Cough Cough.... Cough cough, rat poison republicans jobs bills are not about dumping ratpoison in our drinking water, cough, worldwide outing of our CIA operatives, cough, Gingriches stands for a Palestinian state for decades, cough, FBI works for Obama, cough, FBI part of the Executive branch, cough.... Sorry, I am choking---- there is so much more.

thompsonx -> RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War (12/17/2011 1:13:48 PM)
quote: Let it pretend that "Liberate" has a substantialy different meaning than " leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Iraq was a sovereign, stable and self-reliant state, with a representative government that was elected by its people before we went. This was regime change and nothing more.

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