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Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/29/2006 7:30:25 AM   
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and please no flames--I have a situation, I'd love some guidance for--I have a young man (28) that I have taken into My home to help get a new start--his family is poor and they suffered as many did from Katrina--he has made a few bad mistakes but nothing disastrous and no jail time or criminal record--he looks to Me for guidance and I have helped him start to get his feet on the ground.
 
Here is My dilemma---he was in the Army at 21--BUT due to "bouncing a check and falling asleep on a watch"--he was "ushered" out after a year and 8 months--during that time he suffered hearing loss due to some heavy artillery training. My issue is that he continues to talk about the Army like he was a lifer---(now we are an all female house so maybe our tolerance isn't what it should be and My Dad was a Marine..) giving us all the info, the signs, the missile types etc etc etc.
 
I have a HUGE issue with this because I want to say "listen dude, you fucked up, you blew your chance and I don't appreciate you going on and on in the middle of a war where REAL military guys are dropping like flies and especially when NC has given up more than her share"--
 
when I questioned him about this, he said that is the last reference he has to anything meaningful in his life---being a Vietnam demonstrator, seeing too many of My friends die and way too many doing it now, I want to strangle him--how do I as a mentor guide him that this isn't too cool, or maybe its ok and its just Me.
 
the other question, is even if he was ushered out, but his hearing was damaged while in- shouldn't he be getting some kind of medical something?
 
Opinions and advice please...

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RE: Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/29/2006 7:41:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MHOO314
 I want to say "listen dude, you fucked up, you blew your chance and I don't appreciate you going on and on in the middle of a war where REAL military guys are dropping like flies and especially when NC has given up more than her share"-- 


Well I think that beyond the apparently rational conversation that you already had with him that has obviously not worked, ....this should indeed get the point across.

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RE: Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/29/2006 7:58:51 AM   
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thanks mist, problem is, I haven't gotten to the rational discussion yet, everytime I try, I get steamy---

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RE: Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/29/2006 8:11:29 AM   
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As for medical care, I would think so, but check with a local VA office to make sure.
 
How to get the point across..... just tell him. And don't get "steamy". You're a dominant, so do what you need to do, MH.

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RE: Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/29/2006 8:11:38 AM   
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MHOO, i can certainly relate to Your feelings. I have a friend who was in the military less than a year, during  the last few months of the vietnam war ,and  his duty station was hawaii,, While i do not in anyway make light of  his contribution, 30 years later, he speaks as if he too were a "lifer" and it was just yesterday.  

I think  it can be human nature to want to be a part of something "meaningful",   and it's kind of sad that he feels that he's been a part of nothing meaningfull since.

Maybe a combination of two things might help, 1)...very gently explain why it bothers You, and ...2)  Encourage  Your boy to get involved in some thing that he would feel good about....something  that has "meaning" ie volunteering...etc..  Just a thought. 

That being said,  It's quite possible that he could file a claim to receive a stipend due to a medical disability incurred while on active duty, however i believe that he would have to provide proof of said disability, and the effects it has on employability/ quality of life,  etc. 

best wishes...

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RE: Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/29/2006 8:50:24 AM   
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Let him vent. Let it go out the other ear. When they are too silent- thats when one should worry- as bottled up could go off.

As someone said contact the VA... if you get the run around
http://congress.org   Call you US rep. He/She can cut thru red tape.

He could use some male bonding. Guys to play basketball, go fishing. A house full of woman is--- ---------how do I say----    a male gets disinterested in talk about hairdye curtains, make up, girl talk. 

Let him be a male.

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RE: Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/29/2006 8:58:46 AM   
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Speak some sense into him.  Calm down, do it rationally, and if that doesn't work get more forceful as necessary.

There is a lot of people who nothing more the not serve their country, but due to medical problems can't.  As it is right now I am one of those people.  And when I see someone speak like they are Rambo yet screwed up their chance, I get highly annoyed.

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RE: Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/29/2006 9:03:28 AM   
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Forgot the second question lol.

You say ushered out, was he still honorably discharged and just sent home early?  Or was it a dishonorable discharge?  I don't know specifics but that could be a factor, could also be a factor that it isn't a wound received in combat.

Another factor could be if it is reparable damage or not.  If it isn't something that can be repaired don't expect anything. 

His best bet is to check a VA hospital for information.

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RE: Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/29/2006 10:04:43 PM   
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quote:

Here is My dilemma---he was in the Army at 21--BUT due to "bouncing a check and falling asleep on a watch"--he was "ushered" out after a year and 8 months--during that time he suffered hearing loss due to some heavy artillery training. My issue is that he continues to talk about the Army like he was a lifer---(now we are an all female house so maybe our tolerance isn't what it should be and My Dad was a Marine..) giving us all the info, the signs, the missile types etc etc etc.


Tough situation. That was extremely nice{and motherly} of you to take him in. And believe me.... I know exactly what your talking about when you mention those who like to exaggerate and lie about their military service - We had a congressman here in Oregon indicted and removed from office for lying and exaggerating about his military service. And every guy and his brother is member of ''Delta force'' - Yeah right!!!  Something in the order of 99 percent of them are liars-- and they even have special web sites that expose such phony bastards.

Anyways..... My advice to you is to first give him the ''firm'' mother treatment. And then, if he doesn't shape up, get tough! If he still doesn't straighten up, sick the other women in the house on him - Even the toughest of guys doesn't want a houseful of women mad at him.

If he has suffered genuine hearing loss as a result of his service, I'm confident military will compensate him monetarily and take care of his condition.


Good luck.


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RE: Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/29/2006 11:45:07 PM   
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As he has hearing loss, write it down for him:
 
Sir former soldier, every phase in a human life requires closure when it is finished, otherwise it messes up all subsequent phases. Your soldier days are done. They are past. Realize this and get closure and decide to get on with your life. There are now other things for you to do and to occupy your attention, sir. Attack those, put your weight into those, sir.

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RE: Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/29/2006 11:53:19 PM   
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French foreign legion may be an option.


Sorry Rule, I hit fast reply.

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RE: Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/30/2006 1:16:56 AM   
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Maybe you can help him to find the next meaningful thing in his life?
Keep a sharp eye out as to what interests him, what talents he may have that you can encourage. At the present time, the military is very much in the public mind, for good and ill. It is an easy tap for him, into something important. Make something else important, that he might be good at.

But you can only do so much. If he doesn't do his part. Walk away.

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RE: Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/30/2006 6:37:46 AM   
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First of all, let Me say, I like coming here, its like the house in the neighborhood where the screen door is always open, the coffee pot  is never empty and there is room for one more at the kitchen table.
 
Your insights and advice have been very valuable, these posted here and the pirvate ones sent to Me---more valuable than you know---so here is where we are to clarify a few things and to let you know how we proceed from here--
 
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You're a dominant, so do what you need to do, MH.

 
You are right Level, a Dominant controls with strict guidance and discipline tempered with patience, tenderness and compassion. Though he is not a submissive, nor My submissive, these are the traits I use to manage My home.
 
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He could use some male bonding. Guys to play basketball, go fishing. A house full of woman is--- ---------how do I say----    a male gets disinterested in talk about hairdye curtains, make up, girl talk. 



smiles, I did have to laugh at this one pahunkboy with all due respect, I work in international marketing, My daughter and I raise, train and ride horses, are in the beginning stages of building that into a business, she is an honor role student taking a research course this summer, add to that gardening etc--our conversations are centered around international business, current affairs, horse shows and breeding--(horses! stop that..) and are avid Carolina Hurricane Fans--we have little time and can't remember the last time we discussed hair dyes, make-up, or  the curtains! LOL--However, your advice about getting him out and about is indeed duly noted and one I encourage---I am off with My teen this weekend to a week in Orlando for a  work show and since he now has a car he got, paid for and is now all road legal, we have introduced him to some guys his age we know, I think he will try his proverbial wings this weekend.  Again, good advice, oh and uhm, just a note, girls do talk of other things ya know---hugs.
 
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Maybe you can help him to find the next meaningful thing in his life?
Keep a sharp eye out as to what interests him, what talents he may have that you can encourage. At the present time, the military is very much in the public mind, for good and ill. It is an easy tap for him, into something important. Make something else important, that he might be good at.

But you can only do so much. If he doesn't do his part. Walk away.

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I think  it can be human nature to want to be a part of something "meaningful",   and it's kind of sad that he feels that he's been a part of nothing meaningfull since.

snipped from spankmepink
 
The words of meaningful ring true and brought about a deep conversation last night with him, yes, we all. even all of us here, want to feel a sense of community, a belonging, a tether to the good things---that tether may even be to the "what once was" until we can find new footing--he arrived here March 17 off the bus after 20 hours, two days later all his possessions arrived in 5 boxes--model cars to his beloved samurai sword- and very few clothes-the first night he slept here was the first time he had slept in a real bed in almost a year--some of his prized possessions got ruined by water and rain in the last house he shared ( he got the couch, when the house wasn't filled with others).
 
He made some bad choices on those intervening years--nothing that will scar him for life, but things that slowed him down a tad in his growth--he is boy that never got a chance to play and the beginnings of the man trying to find himself---he has a good job with a good company--making more money a week than he ever has in his life--I got the lead--but HE had to sell himself in the interview--he likes it alot and they really like him--one step closer to the man he wants to be and one step farther from what he was.
 
Two weeks ago as My beloved Magick was tethered, I gave the boy a brush--one shaky hand started brushing--(I don't think he let out a breath the whole time)--later that day he was put in My horse--we led him around the arena--he had never been close to a horse let alone had any chance to ride--he now has dreams of having his own.
 
This weekend, I got them the traditional smoke bombs for the holiday--the "little boy" had a blast with My teen---again things he had never done--this weekend we had access to My friends pool, he got his first lessons at swimming-( he needs ear plugs though)--
 
Last night, he emptied the dishwasher, cooked the corn on the cob, cleared the table and put out the trash--things that he only dreamed of once as he was ushered from couch to couch--things we take for granted--( and he never leaves the toilet seat up!)--so when he does go out on his own he will be well trained for some woman---<smiles>--he now has dreams--a house in the country, something small, college, a horse--a home for his daughter he left behind--a future--all things we take for granted.
 
and our talk was of new "meaningful things", new "meaningful moments" and new validation of himself through his eyes--not through the eyes of anyone else--he's insecure and scared as hell--but more determined to face it--
 
So yes, I am a Dominant and I will do what I do, continue to control with strict guidance and discipline tempered with patience, tenderness and compassion.
 
...ooh and remember he needs guy time too.
 
as always My deepest thanks for making room for Me at the kitchen table.

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RE: Military Advice and Opinions Welcome - 5/30/2006 1:41:58 PM   
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MH,

Your story brought more than a few tears to my eyes.  I think what you are doing for this "boy" is wonderful and amazing....there is so much self-centeredness in the world today, it's so heart-warming to read a story like this.

Anyway...my two cents...have you seen any of those shows on TV about the prison inmates who earn the privilege of being in  a program where they train and rehabilitate "unadoptable" dogs from shelters so that the dogs can find decent homes?  The pride and self-esteem the inmates develop from doing "something good" for society is amazing.  I think the same thing is happening with your boy.  I was raised with horses so we both know the bond that develops between a horse and a human, just from brushing it, walking it, taking care of it, riding it, etc.  I wonder if possibly you could help him obtain a horse from an auction, maybe one that was neglected, or older and being sold for, well, don't want to imagine.....  One that would be inexpensive and that would thrive and flourish from his care. 

It sounds as though the last 7 or 8 years of his life have been really rough and that you are a Godsend to him.  From what you said about the chores he is enjoying doing, etc., and with him earning his own money, I suspect that his Army talk will begin to fade away as his new & real life replaces it.  My inclination is to just quietly ignore it when he brings it up and change the subject, rather than humiliate him with a stern lecture about it.  I suspect that he regrets the mistakes he made in the Army, and talking about it might be his way of dealing with the past.  I really feel that, as time goes by, and his life becomes more stable and happy, that Army talk is going to just disappear.

If (when!) your horse business takes off, he might be a good part-time handyman to have around.  I don't mean to sound sexist, but is there a "guy" somewhere who can teach him basic carpentry, lawn care, auto maintenance, etc.?  I know girls can do it too, but I think it would be good for him to have that "guy time" as you said.

Thanks again for making my day :)  I hope you'll keep up posted on how he's doing.

(I don't have an answer for the loss of hearing part of your question....I think the others are right about finding out if he was honorably or dishonorably discharged, proving the hearing loss was from his military service, etc.  )

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