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EmiliannaRose -> Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 12:29:46 PM)

i am just curious to know why most Masters dont consider tv/cd gurls. When if they seek loyalty we give the most (personal opinion). And if there are Masters that like tv/cd girls send me a line. Thank you kisses on tour feet emilianna rose




BikerDomRealTime -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 12:58:25 PM)

Your not a 'gurl'




MsNightShade -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 1:02:46 PM)

I would say the same reason many Domme's dont care for them. You're not women, even if you get implants. You're not female. You are physically still male. You're a fetish for some perhaps but that niche is small.




Lockit -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 1:10:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EmiliannaRose

i am just curious to know why most Masters dont consider tv/cd gurls. When if they seek loyalty we give the most (personal opinion). And if there are Masters that like tv/cd girls send me a line. Thank you kisses on tour feet emilianna rose


Oh come on now... saying tv/cd gurls are better at loyalty is like saying a certain group give better blow jobs because they try harder to please. Doesn't fly.

Besides the fact that personal choice is the major factor... it is this attitude and the focus of many who are tv/cd. I wouldn't want a submissive of any type that felt they were better than others simply because they had blond hair or wore certain types of clothing and I sure wouldn't want one that kisses and loves at random, with strangers and plays as if that is something of worth.

You want people to see who you are and accept you... stop acting as if you are different in things that really shouldn't matter to those that would be attracted to you. Many of us see a person and if that person is acting like a selfish, better than others person with a focus on their fetish and why no one wants them... they have limited themselves... not the pool of people that might have taken an interest had they not acted out.

What do you have to offer in a relationship of whatever determination... other than what you have presented?

Gender issues can be very challenging and I don't envy anyone that must live with the hardships that gender issues and ignorance cause. However, the ignorance often starts with the person feeling as if others are to blame rather than looking within and seeing what they might be doing to limit their life.




Missokyst -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 1:28:42 PM)

What they said and some people prefer the opposite sex.
I like men. If I was interested in women I would probably want one who had a cunt. You know, women who started off as "girls".
There are a few guys out there who enjoy TV/CD's and I wish you luck finding that niche.




tazzygirl -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 1:40:42 PM)

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When if they seek loyalty we give the most (personal opinion).


Your opinion and a buck might get you a cup of coffee. I, for one, resent you even implying that loyalty is in any way associated with being a Tv/CD or not.




Aswad -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 1:42:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EmiliannaRose

i am just curious to know why most Masters dont consider tv/cd gurls.


I'll bite.

For the average straight male dom, I expect you simply don't register as female, or even particularly feminine. There's a vast difference, in my experience, between the CD peeps and the TS and IS peeps, in terms of the sheer amount of effort that goes into creating, cultivating and internalizing a consistent and coherent identity with all attendant mannerisms for the relevant gender.

For the average gay male dom, I will hazard a wild guess that your CD interest should be filed under "stuff about me", not "what defines me and the relationship I seek", but since I'm not gay, I can only guess at that. If I met a girl that liked to CD the other way around, I wouldn't find that a turnoff. But I would want to discover that about them as a part of the process. Having someone PM me as a girl, and presenting CD as an important activity for them would work fine. Having someone PM me as a CD instead, by contrast, would give me pause.

I might still give such a person a shot, but there's a difference between CD being a part of someone's life that I can support them in, and CD being a defining aspect of who they are and want to be in the context of a relationship. The latter would require far more effort on their part to pass as natural, and I simply don't see any evidence of that in your profile or your posting.

Also, it's a good idea to point out whether you're looking for a romantic relationship or a partner for casual play or something else. And, of course, whether you're looking to live crossed over, looking to cross regularly or occasionally, or simply think it's a fun thing to do once in a while. And if it's something you think is fun to do once in a while, it's probably a good idea to point out whether you're planning on doing it in the bedroom, in your daily life, or both.

With the way you've presented yourself, it's rather hard not to dismiss you.

Consider taking some of the above advice to remedy that.

Health,
al-Aswad.

P.S.: Implying that one group of people is more loyal or giving than another is a really quick way to offend tons of people here and elsewhere. There are groups where one might claim that there is some basis for that assertion. I've found a lot of aspies to be more tightly bound once they let you in, compared to the average with NTs, but I've also seen some exquisite examples of the opposite. Even so, I would not make a blank check claim on the basis of my experiences. And were it to be truth, it would still not be a good sales pitch. So, in short, don't do that; you're starting several places behind the field as it is.





Wantstocontrolu -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 2:15:02 PM)

Because I will not pay for their "gender change" also other than a few rare exceptions we beleave that a male born is a male not a girl wannabe.




BKSir -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 2:20:56 PM)

Who says we don't? That's specifically what I am looking for generally. That being said, I don't find most interesting, because I'm not interested in someone that looks like a gorilla with makeup plastered on 3" thick. If I wanted that, I'd just do it myself.

Edit to add... wow the bigotry and lack of education in such an area in this thread is overwhelming.




GreedyTop -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 2:21:46 PM)

~FR~ as always, I adore Aswad and his eloquence!!




Lockit -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 2:24:07 PM)

Ouch... there are far more gender issues due to birth than are really known... unfortunately... the ignorance abounds and with a dash of attitude/slam dunk... part of the reason those with real gender issues have such a hard time is easily seen.

I do have to wonder... wantstocontrolu... how many you have known and where you get that little factoid that those wanting the surgery, would want you to pay for it. Attitudes and judgment abound. Long live free speech... but damn... sometimes you just wish some people would shut up.




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 2:45:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MsNightShade
You're not women, even if you get implants. You're not female. You are physically still male. You're a fetish for some perhaps

That's being unnecessarily rough I think, because not everyone feels this way. If you aren't a TS, then you're still a guy. A guy who happens to be a TV/CD. But if you're a TS, then that's different. Personally, as far as I'm concerned, if a person is a post-op transsexual, they are whatever they look like. If it looks like a woman, talks like a woman, etc. then it's a woman. If the person is pre-op, I still relate to them as the gender they want to be. Not everyone is closed-minded.

NBMG




EmiliannaRose -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 2:47:37 PM)

Thanks for the advice guys, im open to smart criticism, so im willing to imrove on the things you nice people have said :)




BKSir -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 2:50:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: EmiliannaRose

Thanks for the advice guys, im open to smart criticism, so im willing to imrove on the things you nice people have said :)


Don't try to change just to please someone else. Change only to please yourself. If you aren't happy with you, then nobody will be happy with the outcome in the long run. :)




Jaquin -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 2:51:10 PM)

Being transgendered myself I take offense at such implications.  For starters I have every intention of seeing my own way through my transition, including surgery - and I would never consider imposing myself on someone else based on some D/s or other relationship.

What you're referring to is a mooch, and such character types are not limited to, nor defined by, transgendered people.

Secondly, if you understood a single thing about what it's like to be trans you'd know that we are not "girl (or guy) wannabe's" - and that such remarks are offensive.




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 2:54:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BKSir
wow the bigotry and lack of education in such an area in this thread is overwhelming.

I totally agree.




DarkSteven -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 3:03:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jaquin

Being transgendered myself I take offense at such implications.  For starters I have every intention of seeing my own way through my transition, including surgery - and I would never consider imposing myself on someone else based on some D/s or other relationship.

What you're referring to is a mooch, and such character types are not limited to, nor defined by, transgendered people.

Secondly, if you understood a single thing about what it's like to be trans you'd know that we are not "girl (or guy) wannabe's" - and that such remarks are offensive.



Jaquin, while I agree with everything you've written, please note that OP identifies as a CD/TV.  In my book, that means someone who wants to dress as a woman and has no intention of undergoing hormones or SRS.

wantstocontrolu confused CDs/TVs and TGs, and further implied that OP wanted to find someone to underwrite the surgery that OP never said was wanted.




wittynamehere -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 3:14:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EmiliannaRose
i am just curious to know why most Masters dont consider tv/cd gurls. When if they seek loyalty we give the most (personal opinion).

I don't think you can claim crossdressers are "the most loyal" group of people, unless you have some studies to back that up.
But to answer your question, at least from my perspective, is that I'm attracted to female characteristics (soft spots, no adam's apple, self-lubricating vaginas, you know, that kinda stuff) which are much harder to find on cross-dressing men. I don't judge you or other tv/cd people but I can get the characteristics I seek from actual females.




RaspberryLemon -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 3:54:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: EmiliannaRose
i am just curious to know why most Masters dont consider tv/cd gurls. When if they seek loyalty we give the most (personal opinion).


That is an incredibly ignorant and disgusting assumption and it's an easy way to offend--heck, you sure as hell offended me. There's no group of people that's "the most loyal." What even gives you that idea? Loyalty is dependent on the individual person, not whatever demographic they belong to. And Lockit's post was pretty much spot on.

To answer your question, why don't they consider you? Well, aside from your not-so-appealing attitude, it's personal preference. A man who considers himself straight most likely is not going to be attracted to a cross-dresser/transvestite man. And last I checked, most people are heterosexual. So your "target audience," so to speak, is a lot smaller than say, a straight female submissive. My advice? Don't try to force yourself onto straight men--go for the gay men, because those are most likely the ones who will be attracted to/interested in you. Even then, not everyone likes cross-dressing. Like I said, it's personal preference. It's not because they're persecuting you or anything--you are just not what they like. And everyone is entitled to the right to pick and choose based on their preference.




Missokyst -> RE: Why dont Masters consider Tv/CD gurls? (12/18/2011 5:21:44 PM)

I don't think there is bigotry or lack of education in wanting or preferring the opposite sex. I like men and cocks. If a woman were to approach me for a relationship I would have no interest. Likewise I am sure straight males might only wish to pursue biological females. Just as the OP is seeking someone who is a master, and seeking a Tv/CD we all have preferences.
quote:

ORIGINAL: BKSir
Edit to add... wow the bigotry and lack of education in such an area in this thread is overwhelming.





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