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FatDomDaddy -> The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 1:13:42 PM)

Are you kidding me Me. Vice President???

What "per se" are they???


http://weaselzippers.us/2011/12/19/unreal-joe-biden-says-the-taliban-is-not-our-enemy/



mnottertail -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 1:19:22 PM)

http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/2009/04/20/remember-when-reagan-met-with-taliban-leaders-in-the-white-house/

Yeah, I don't know what the per se is on this, maybe we can get charlie wilson out to per se the war, hah?  St. Wrinklemeat would remind our boys too much of old pork.

When you get a sec, explain the difference between Taliban and al-Queda for us.



Moonhead -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 2:17:10 PM)

You might as well ask him to find the square root of minus 1.

Still, maybe he's really a literate Afghani woman: that'd make the Taliban his enemy...



Owner59 -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 5:39:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Are you kidding me Me. Vice President???

What "per se" are they???


http://weaselzippers.us/2011/12/19/unreal-joe-biden-says-the-taliban-is-not-our-enemy/



There are a few tribes who are our enemy, for sure.They are along the Pakistan border.

But most tribes in fact, are not.

Maybe more world news Fats, and less sports will turn around your ignorance.



TheHeretic -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 6:58:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Are you kidding me Me. Vice President???




Quite the amazing thing for Biden to say, ain't it, Fats? It may have been called a gaffe, but that they are defending this makes me wonder about what is going on in the negotiations. Maybe President Obama figures a nice deep bow and an apology is the way to get out. And lots of financial aid to the new Taliban administration of course.

Not too soon though. Save it for a campaign promise, rather than run on an 0-2 record as Commander in Chief?



Owner59 -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 7:42:34 PM)

I think shrub gave the Taliban a hundred million dollars...... just before 9/11.....awkward.....[:D]



TheHeretic -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 8:00:14 PM)

Your petition for notice is denied, your "Bush baa-aaad," derail attempt is horribly lame, and if you are going to start defending the Taliban, have fun looking at yourself in the mirror while you shave.



MrRodgers -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 8:11:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I think shrub gave the Taliban a hundred million dollars...... just before 9/11.....awkward.....[:D]

Wouldn't surprise me. He did after all have them out to the ranch in Crawford. Maybe we should ask Bush the baby just what should we do ?

There is a good reason we don't. He wouldn't have the slightest idea being nothing but a puppet. OK, retired puppet.

Biden is right in that the Taliban could be a profit if they not only allow but protect that pipeline that's coming, but wrong in only that everybody is our enemy if it suits us and they could be a profit.

Let me clear kinkroids, now, YOU are the enemy if it suits them even though you are by yourself...not a profit. Anybody now could be 'collateral damage' and will be if necessary.

We have now seen and perfectly under the cover some liberal renewal in the def. authorization bill...the NAZIAZATION of America.



Owner59 -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 8:54:08 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_q3lgf-k0Y

"U.S. considers dialogue with moderate Taliban leaders"


It`s been US policy for a while now....almost three years.

President Obama explained it at the time but I think we were dealing with charges that President Obama was trying to "indoctrinate our children".....or was is "FEMA concentration camps".

Anyway,whatever it was distracted the knuckle-draggers and they missed the announcements.




TheHeretic -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 9:04:12 PM)

Pathetic. The lives of our men and women in uniform are just meaningless little talking points for you. To go from exploiting them in your "yay! Obama got kicked out Iraq," thread, to coddling and ball-washing the people killing and maiming them in Afghanistan is a new low.

You sicken me.




Owner59 -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 9:10:53 PM)

When the president sent 17000 more troops in a couple years ago to fight our enemies there,he also reached out to the tribes that weren`t fighting us.

That`s a completely reasonable approach and it has been a successful one.

He announced the multi pronged plan at the time,if you were listening.

Are you saying you`re just learning about this now?



MrRodgers -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 9:45:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

When the president sent 17000 more troops in a couple years ago to fight our enemies there,he also reached out to the tribes that weren`t fighting us.

That`s a completely reasonable approach and it has been a successful one.

He announced the multi pronged plan at the time,if you were listening.

Are you saying you`re just learning about this now?

History informs, there has never been and there is no concept in society of any central govt. in Afghanistan. 1000's of tribes over a millennium, the elders have ruled a local agricultural society.

You have to begin to see...we weren't going to change anything except try to force a central govt., corrupt and incompetent upon the people only 1 in 10 of which know why we are even there.

Let's recall...Afghanistan and the Taliban had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11.



Owner59 -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 10:01:11 PM)

Another thing the president said early on is we are NOT responsible for remaking Afghan society.

Though that may seem cruel and no doubt some people will suffer when we pull out,we can`t police every village in Afghanistan or in Africa or any/every other place without a civil society.If we could,I`m sure folks would be ok with it but we can`t.

But what we can do is our best and as much as possible and with good will behind it.

al-queda is non-existent in Afghanistan so that part of the mission is pretty much done.A drone presence will be there but eventually,we`re out of there.

I`m surprised we`re not hearing "Obama want`s to impose burkas in Afghan women"retard-charges.....Still a young thread though.

Added:Actually,the Taliban weren`t involved in the 9/11 attacks.They attackers were Arabs.The Taliban aren`t Arab but did harbor al-queda camps.

We...err um ...bush offered to leave the Taliban alone and in place if they gave up the al-queda members.

And as I mentioned,bush had just given them a hundred million dollars to fight <cough> the drug<cough> trade there<cough>.

So no,they weren`t and aren`t the same.

As the scholar in the video notes,the Taliban aren`t a monolithic type of people.As in all subjects concerning people,things are always more complicated than we`d like.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 10:16:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers



Let's recall...Afghanistan and the Taliban had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11.


Other than the Taliban training Al Qaeda youre absolutely right. [8|]



Termyn8or -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/19/2011 10:22:21 PM)

You people are sickening

ETA : some



thishereboi -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/20/2011 4:29:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Are you kidding me Me. Vice President???




Quite the amazing thing for Biden to say, ain't it, Fats? It may have been called a gaffe, but that they are defending this makes me wonder about what is going on in the negotiations. Maybe President Obama figures a nice deep bow and an apology is the way to get out. And lots of financial aid to the new Taliban administration of course.

Not too soon though. Save it for a campaign promise, rather than run on an 0-2 record as Commander in Chief?


That's ok. People will just point out that a repub did it first, 59 can call someone a retard and it will be all good.



Owner59 -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/20/2011 4:37:22 AM)

Any thoughts on the subject...troll?



mnottertail -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/20/2011 7:01:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Pathetic. The lives of our men and women in uniform are just meaningless little talking points for you. To go from exploiting them in your "yay! Obama got kicked out Iraq," thread, to coddling and ball-washing the people killing and maiming them in Afghanistan is a new low.

You sicken me.




Well, lets give credit where credit is due, those soldiers dying are at the hands of killers trained by the good offices of St. Wrinklemeat and Charlie Wilson et al.  So.......wouldnt be any talk of this now without that occurring.

See, you cant just narrow the discussion to one small idiotic and rather unfair as well as untrue talking point, you see, history as we understand it has a past which got us where we were, that force some difficult and rather distateful decisions today,  and continuing events which will move us to where we will be, and its fruitless to be rewriting history while its occurring, you should wait until those of us who are aware of the world around them and deal in facts and not unfettered emotionalism of the way it ought to be as their truth are dead, so that you may impugn and villify without the burden of the truth of actual events to your hearts content.

Shit isnt gonna happen in your vacuum.



mnottertail -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/20/2011 7:07:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers



Let's recall...Afghanistan and the Taliban had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11.


Other than the Taliban training Al Qaeda youre absolutely right. [8|]


Well, why cut it off there?  St Wrinklemeat trained the Taliban and Bush I policies led to the formation of al-Qaeda.  Lets tell the whole story, so that we may speak forthrightly and truthfully and solve problems your party has created for us as real men.

You cannot solve problems by sweeping most facts under the rug, lying and ignorance of fact and your perfect example of doing that is Iraq, and you want to go at it like that again.  



Fellow -> RE: The Taliban Is Not Our Enemy??? (12/20/2011 9:00:52 AM)

Joe Biden is correct: Taliban wouldn't care about the US. The only problem they have with the US is the presence of American armed forces in their land. Taliban did not train Al Qaeda. Rather vice versa. I wouldn't even bring up 9/11. The whole things need to be put under serious new investigation. I hope it will happen when somebody sane takes the Oval Office.  Taliban offered to hand over Osama Bin Laden to the US if the evidence about his involvement was provided. As we know, there is no hard evidence presented  that would warrant arrest up to this day.



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