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Rule -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/23/2012 12:48:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake
What the hurry was about is near certainly capturing the object passing between the ship and the Moon.

Wishful thinking. There is no evidence whatsoever that an object other than the Moon was photographed.
In the specifics it is said that the camera is designed to be operated with space suit gloved hands. Was the photograph taken while held in this way? If the photographer's hand were in space suit gloves, then maybe he also had a space suit helmet on and the image of the Moon was reflected from its visor onto the glass of the port-hole?

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ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake
Here is other examples of that same type object.

I did not look at all of them examples, but the second appeared to be a droplet of water, mayhap a tear, floating around within the space shuttle. Without gravity it must be quite messy within that shuttle cabin.
The first may have been something else that floated about and got stuck to the camera lens.

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ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake
That, by definition, is the best data we got.

It is the best that you have got. However, a long time ago I from up very close observed a spaceship moving about six or seven meters over my head at a brisk walking speed. I saw its entire underside for its full, approximately, 140 meters length, as well as its flank and stern, and I heard the soothing music they played.

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ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake
To sum up, the object is, an object.

Whatever. I still say that it is an artefact and there are several arguments in favor of it being an artefact.



Karmastic -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/23/2012 1:19:25 PM)

thanks, all interesting pics and vids. i respectfully think you're dead wrong in thinking Kodachrome and film aren't subject to the same risk of alteration than vids or electronic equipment. as well as the same problems with reflections, etc.

like i said, the goal will move when we have:

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...a watershed event, such as a crash in a very populated area that can't be contained, with physical debris and people and structures damaged on the ground. that, or official first contact (our great great grand-kids maybe)



hardcybermaster -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/23/2012 4:08:15 PM)

Is this thread done now?
can I take the tin foil off?



FrostedFlake -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/23/2012 5:15:54 PM)

Thanks, Igor.

I kept wondering what the disturbing thought was that he was going to mention. It was worth the wait.

It doesn't bother me at all that another species might be so much brighter than us as to regard us as damaged children. But it does bother me to think over the notion that we just might not be smart enough to understand our surroundings.

The part that bothers me is, Human history seems to bear that out.



FrostedFlake -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/23/2012 5:33:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

thanks, all interesting pics and vids. i respectfully think you're dead wrong in thinking Kodachrome and film aren't subject to the same risk of alteration than vids or electronic equipment. as well as the same problems with reflections, etc.

like i said, the goal will move when we have:

quote:

...a watershed event, such as a crash in a very populated area that can't be contained, with physical debris and people and structures damaged on the ground. that, or official first contact (our great great grand-kids maybe)


Thanks Rule and Karmastic.

Two points.

1/ "Chain of custody" is where the credibility comes from. There is a lack of opportunity to spoof this image.

2/ Reflection of what? How? And is the burden of proof on that it is a reflection or that it isn't?

I agree and consider it a given that a crash in New York City would be a very different matter than a similar crash in an isolated, remote canyon in the middle of nowhere. But I find it interesting that Rule can both deny a ufo and at the same time report one. That is difficult to respond to coherently.

Thanks for chewing this over with me.



Karmastic -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/23/2012 6:58:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

thanks, all interesting pics and vids. i respectfully think you're dead wrong in thinking Kodachrome and film aren't subject to the same risk of alteration than vids or electronic equipment. as well as the same problems with reflections, etc.

like i said, the goal will move when we have:

quote:

...a watershed event, such as a crash in a very populated area that can't be contained, with physical debris and people and structures damaged on the ground. that, or official first contact (our great great grand-kids maybe)


Thanks Rule and Karmastic.

Two points.

1/ "Chain of custody" is where the credibility comes from. There is a lack of opportunity to spoof this image.

2/ Reflection of what? How? And is the burden of proof on that it is a reflection or that it isn't?

I agree and consider it a given that a crash in New York City would be a very different matter than a similar crash in an isolated, remote canyon in the middle of nowhere. But I find it interesting that Rule can both deny a ufo and at the same time report one. That is difficult to respond to coherently.

Thanks for chewing this over with me.

2/ Reflection of what? How? And is the burden of proof on that it is a reflection or that it isn't?

inner workings of cameras produce weird shit all the time, even more so with mechanical ones using film.

i'm just saying, i believe it (5% of sitings), but there will only be a shift in people's attitudes when there's a watershed event, like a crash in a populated area that just can't be covered up.

thank u too, i enjoy discussing it.



Kirata -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/23/2012 11:15:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

so you're sitting there believing all this conspiracy nonsense and you are suggesting I am the one with mental health issues?

Not to say that there isn't a lot of flagrant bunk out there, but it strikes me as suggestive of projection when someone dismisses the existence of unidentified craft in our atmosphere as "paranoid bullshit" and "conspiracy nonsense" in the face of decades of consistent reports from multiple highly-trained reliable and credible witnesses, observing from different positions, and supported by data from multiple radars. I think the real paranoia and conspiracy nonsense lies in refusing to accept factual data and seeing some kind of "conspiracy" behind it.

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

Nice doc btw, thoughtful insightful and balanced piece of investigative journalism that......

Thanks. I think it's one of the better reviews of some of the evidence available. From your previous comments, I'm surprised by your complimentary opinion of it. But I'm glad you enjoyed it.

K.



hardcybermaster -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/24/2012 4:49:34 AM)

Ok, lets for a second pretend that you are right.
There are tens of thousands of credible sightings, probably thousands of genuine credible unimpeachably solid people who have seen these things.God knows how many hours of TV and video footage.
The evidence is there for everyone to see, "the truth" is plainly visible for everyone to see.
This would be the most amazing and incredible thing to EVER happen on this planet. It would be the most mind blowing discovery, whether it's aliens or some super advanced civilization on earth as you stated previously, since some hairy bloke with a stick got fire sorted out.
This incontrovertable truth however seems to only be obvious to a few Ufologists, some stoners living in caravans in the desert and some internet discussion board conspiricy theorists.
That's convenient isn't it? Thank god that those 3 trusted groups of people are there to try and warn the other 6.999 billion ignorant people on the planet of the amazing discovery that they have made.
It suprises me that it isn't slightly bigger news really.
Lol



OttersSwim -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/24/2012 6:07:17 AM)

FR: It may have already been said in the topic, but I think that the surest sign of intelligent life on other planets is the fact that they haven't contacted US! [;)]



Kirata -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/24/2012 9:00:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

This incontrovertable truth however seems to only be obvious to a few Ufologists, some stoners living in caravans in the desert and some internet discussion board conspiricy theorists.

That's convenient isn't it?

It's very damn convenient for somebody, that's for sure, and they've worked long and hard at making it like that and keeping it that way.

K.



Karmastic -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/24/2012 12:09:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

Ok, lets for a second pretend that you are right.
There are tens of thousands of credible sightings, probably thousands of genuine credible unimpeachably solid people who have seen these things.God knows how many hours of TV and video footage.
The evidence is there for everyone to see, "the truth" is plainly visible for everyone to see.
This would be the most amazing and incredible thing to EVER happen on this planet. It would be the most mind blowing discovery, whether it's aliens or some super advanced civilization on earth as you stated previously, since some hairy bloke with a stick got fire sorted out.
This incontrovertable truth however seems to only be obvious to a few Ufologists, some stoners living in caravans in the desert and some internet discussion board conspiricy theorists.
That's convenient isn't it? Thank god that those 3 trusted groups of people are there to try and warn the other 6.999 billion ignorant people on the planet of the amazing discovery that they have made.
It suprises me that it isn't slightly bigger news really.
Lol

your logic is off the charts flawed. i don't have time to explain, i'm late for the flat earth society meeting.



Rule -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/24/2012 2:27:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic
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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster
some super advanced civilization on earth


Superadvanced? Pff. They have got some nice tricks in their pocket, for sure. But I rather think that I might produce similar and better science - if not for my rather advanced age.

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic
your logic is off the charts flawed. i don't have time to explain, i'm late for the flat earth society meeting.

Oops! Intelligence!

Alert! Alert! I have found intelligent life on Earth! Alert! Every cognitive being pay attention: I have found intelligent life on Earth.



hardcybermaster -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/24/2012 3:48:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Karmastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

Ok, lets for a second pretend that you are right.
There are tens of thousands of credible sightings, probably thousands of genuine credible unimpeachably solid people who have seen these things.God knows how many hours of TV and video footage.
The evidence is there for everyone to see, "the truth" is plainly visible for everyone to see.
This would be the most amazing and incredible thing to EVER happen on this planet. It would be the most mind blowing discovery, whether it's aliens or some super advanced civilization on earth as you stated previously, since some hairy bloke with a stick got fire sorted out.
This incontrovertable truth however seems to only be obvious to a few Ufologists, some stoners living in caravans in the desert and some internet discussion board conspiricy theorists.
That's convenient isn't it? Thank god that those 3 trusted groups of people are there to try and warn the other 6.999 billion ignorant people on the planet of the amazing discovery that they have made.
It suprises me that it isn't slightly bigger news really.
Lol

your logic is off the charts flawed. i don't have time to explain, i'm late for the flat earth society meeting.

no please explain, seeing as the earth is flat maybe you could send it in morse code so I can understand



Rule -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/24/2012 3:54:54 PM)

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hardcybermaster -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/24/2012 4:04:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

This incontrovertable truth however seems to only be obvious to a few Ufologists, some stoners living in caravans in the desert and some internet discussion board conspiricy theorists.

That's convenient isn't it?

It's very damn convenient for somebody, that's for sure, and they've worked long and hard at making it like that and keeping it that way.

K.

That is not an answer to my previous statement, it's just more paranoid conspiracy theory. You have questioned my mental processes because I have had the temerity to question your version of events. You say the sources for your belief in UFO's are high quality people, experienced pilots and military personel and radar yet no one else on the planet gives a fuck, why?

The facts as you see them are that UFO's whether from here or out there exist, if these facts are so damn obvious why are they still the preserve of internet dreamers?
get out of your bunker and smell the roses, there is a world out here that is going to carry on whatever you and your internet buddies dream up.

ps. stop cutting up other peoples quotes to serves your own needs, it's really old



hardcybermaster -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/24/2012 4:05:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ha! brilliant, ty!



Kirata -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/24/2012 4:49:21 PM)


I see you're back to your old tune, insulting people and dismissing any facts that challenge your superior knowledge of reality. Which makes me wonder. Are you here to save us from our delusions, or to defend your own?

K.



hardcybermaster -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/24/2012 5:09:23 PM)

Facts Kirata facts
the facts are there but only you can see them. Clearly I can't, but neither can the rest of the world.
At some point you have to ask is it them or is it me that's wrong.
Idiot that I am, I am going to side with them.
When you are sitting in the spacecraft looking down on the worthless non believing humans you are about to leave behind, please think of me and put me out of my misery with your raygun



Karmastic -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/24/2012 5:24:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

Facts Kirata facts
the facts are there but only you can see them. Clearly I can't, but neither can the rest of the world.
At some point you have to ask is it them or is it me that's wrong.
Idiot that I am, I am going to side with them.
When you are sitting in the spacecraft looking down on the worthless non believing humans you are about to leave behind, please think of me and put me out of my misery with your raygun

you're back to my earlier point about the flat earth society (bold above).

at one time, most human thought the earth was flat. it was common knowledge, and sheeples like you made fun of people who didn't go with mob rule.

it's absurd to even suggest that aliens haven't been spotted because ABC news doesn't say they were. in fact, they and many mainstream networks have, many times. narrow minded people will only consider believing things that are stuck in their faces.



Rule -> RE: Recent Mass UFO Sightings 2011 (4/24/2012 5:32:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster
put me out of my misery with your raygun

Okay. (But it won't work unless you hold a mask of lead before your face.)



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