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mnottertail -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:17:07 AM)
The failure of this administration is nonextant. It was a failure from before day one. That is something like saying, the failure of the doctor in the emergency room to prevent the heartstabbing of the victim is surely a failure of all medicine.

Musicmystery -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:22:19 AM)
quote: Its fine if a Dem president bombs away in other words It is? Every hear "LBJ, LBJ, how many kids have you killed today?"

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:23:07 AM)
There was no good end game for Iraq. The only way to have avoided all this ( other than not overthrowing their government in the first place ) was to occupy the country indefinitely, which we could not afford to do. What a waste of money.

Politesub53 -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:26:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic The failure of this administration to secure what little stability there was in Iraq will surely come back to haunt us. I think the failure was done prior 2005/2006 before sectarian voilence really took off. If there was a time to reconcile Shia and Sunni it was 2003/4 not 2009 when Obama took office. If anything Bremer caused it by setting up the interim governing council ONLY from groups who supported the US/UK invasion. That marginalised several factions when dialogue with them would have been the way forward. This was just one of many problems caused by Bremers arrogance that he knew best.

Sanity -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:27:04 AM)
Oh, you changed the words around to change the meaning and attributed it to me What a surprise quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 "They are free to choose their own destiny today " Guess who posted this ?

TheHeretic -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:33:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Every hear "LBJ, LBJ, how many kids have you killed today?" Yep. Though in fairness, that was before the Dems decided to try and suck up to that demographic. Merry Christmas to you, Muse.

Politesub53 -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:33:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Oh, you changed the words around to change the meaning and attributed it to me What a surprise quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 "They are free to choose their own destiny today " Guess who posted this ? Ive not changed anything, the words above are yours straight off of another thread. Below is my post from page one., with your words posted below so you can compare. "Someone posted on the locked thread the average Iraqi has a choice," "They are free to choose their own destiny today " I am struggling to find how you deem the two posts differ ?

Sanity -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:34:07 AM)
That was in reference to a particular person who has been a cheerleader for Obamas bombing Libya quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: Its fine if a Dem president bombs away in other words It is? Every hear "LBJ, LBJ, how many kids have you killed today?"

Moonhead -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:37:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Oh, you changed the words around to change the meaning and attributed it to me What a surprise quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 "They are free to choose their own destiny today " Guess who posted this ? Ive not changed anything, the words above are yours straight off of another thread. Below is my post from page one., with your words posted below so you can compare. "Someone posted on the locked thread the average Iraqi has a choice," "They are free to choose their own destiny today " I am struggling to find how you deem the two posts differ ? Maybe he thinks that with the thread locked, all of the shite he was spouting in there has vanished and he no longer has to 'fess up to saying any of it. It's no dafter a fantasy than some of the other nonsense he believes, is it?

Sanity -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:39:22 AM)
No, thats a lie. The quote below is mine but what you attributed to me previously, "Someone posted on the locked thread the average Iraqi has a choice, events patently show that to be nonsense." was not like anything that I wrote. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Oh, you changed the words around to change the meaning and attributed it to me What a surprise quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 "They are free to choose their own destiny today " Guess who posted this ? Ive not changed anything, the words above are yours straight off of another thread. Below is my post from page one., with your words posted below so you can compare. "Someone posted on the locked thread the average Iraqi has a choice," "They are free to choose their own destiny today " I am struggling to find how you deem the two posts differ ?

Sanity -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:47:39 AM)
Try to be honest, at least with your self. "They are free to choose their own destiny today " isnt the same as what you attributed to me, which was "...the average Iraqi has a choice." You changed the meaning of what I wrote while still attributing the words to me, please dont do that.

Politesub53 -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:49:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity No, thats a lie. The quote below is mine but what you attributed to me previously, "Someone posted on the locked thread the average Iraqi has a choice, events patently show that to be nonsense." was not like anything that I wrote. WTf are you on about now ? Are you seriously suggesting saying "The average Iraqi has a choice" is any different from "they are free to choose their own destiny" One is just a paraphrase of the other, or at least it was when I was at school. I also added the rider events have proved it to be patent nonsense. The later remark is exactly as you wrote it, so dont you dare accuse me of altering anything. You want to note I havent accused you of altering my posts and have taken full ownership of my own remarks. You need to try doing the same.

Sanity -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:51:47 AM)
Again, if you are going to quote me or attribute a saying to me please be accurate. Yes, changing words or changing words around changes the meaning, thats English 101 A basic lesson you should have learned by now

MrRodgers -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:56:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Its fine if a Dem president bombs away in other words The problem was not with the withdrawal. That was the ultimate goal of the occupation. The problem was that the invasion occurred at all. Astonishingly, we invaded another country with no idea what to do once we got in. The original idea was that we would be greeted as liberators and children would lay down rose petals at our feet. There were no credible scenarios postulated, no Plan Bs, nothing. We had no clue when we invaded. The occupation was simply a ploy to make it look like we had a plan. The withdrawal was an acknowledgement that we weren't accomplishing anything positive by staying. Withdrawing is horrible, but the best choice we have. One could easily argue in fact that the unadulterated and seemingly purposeful incompetence of the CPA and Abu Garib were designed to keep civil strife the biggest problem necessitating the continuing of our very profitable military presence. I am thinking that on the whole, most of the Iraqi intelligentsia what's left of it anyway, wanted us to stay for protection whereas the blue collar and uneducated, there are many, didn't but will be the victims of most postwar violence. Well, I feel that we had absolutely no business going into Iraq in the first place, so yes, under no circumstances do we go back.

Politesub53 -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 10:59:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Again, if you are going to quote me or attribute a saying to me please be accurate. Yes, changing words or changing words around changes the meaning, thats English 101 A basic lesson you should have learned by now Again, I havent changed any words of yours around. Anyone who feels I have can look at the last post on the locked thread. One of us is making it up as we go along and it isnt me.

Moonhead -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 11:00:06 AM)
Apart from anything else, they'll have to find somebody capable of running the country so that there's somebody for you guys to depose, and maybe build a few WMDs first...

Sanity -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 11:05:16 AM)
Try to face reality. You changed the meaning to try to make your cheesy political point "They are free to choose their own destiny today " isnt the same as "...the average Iraqi has a choice." especially in the context in which you used it

Politesub53 -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 11:06:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Try to face reality. You changed the meaning to try to make your cheesy political point "They are free to choose their own destiny today " isnt the same as "...the average Iraqi has a choice." especially in the context in which you used it Others can judge that but just for you I will post again.

Politesub53 -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 11:09:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Someone posted on the locked thread that "They are free to choose their own destiny today" Events patently show that to be nonsense. All thats happened is one hardline faction has replaced another, and so it will continue. I hope the US and UK stay out of it unless absolutely necessary, such as the situation we faced with Libya where a whole city was threatened with massacre.. I have edited the above to please Sanity and get his quote right. I normally wouldnt but it is Christmas after all.

VideoAdminGamma -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 11:39:24 AM)
Please remain on topic and not on each other. Thank you. VideoAdminGamma

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