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Sanity -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 11:46:57 AM)
Thats better, thank you. Merry Fucking Christmas to you as well... [:D] Regarding your new point though, and back to something nearer the topic... how does one bombing supposedly negate the fact that they are now free to forge their own destiny How does that work, please explain the mechanics of it? Because on the face of it, your statement doesnt seem to make any sense. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Someone posted on the locked thread that "They are free to choose their own destiny today" Events patently show that to be nonsense. All thats happened is one hardline faction has replaced another, and so it will continue. I hope the US and UK stay out of it unless absolutely necessary, such as the situation we faced with Libya where a whole city was threatened with massacre.. I have edited the above to please Sanity and get his quote right. I normally wouldnt but it is Christmas after all.

mnottertail -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 12:18:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Thats better, thank you. Merry Fucking Christmas to you as well... [:D] Regarding your new point though, and back to something nearer the topic... how does one bombing supposedly negate the fact that they are now free to forge their own destiny How does that work, please explain the mechanics of it? Because on the face of it, your statement doesnt seem to make any sense. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Someone posted on the locked thread that "They are free to choose their own destiny today" Events patently show that to be nonsense. All thats happened is one hardline faction has replaced another, and so it will continue. I hope the US and UK stay out of it unless absolutely necessary, such as the situation we faced with Libya where a whole city was threatened with massacre.. I have edited the above to please Sanity and get his quote right. I normally wouldnt but it is Christmas after all. Here, let me handle that one, I call to mind from the halcyon days of yore, and insightful echo (which I had fundamentally given you at the outset, you know how you are about taking others ideas and using them as your own ) But of course you had to go stick democrat in there..... quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar Since the conflict in iraq to me is basically a civil war, i would think the sect which has fewer people and power would fear the US leaving. minnetar Just add in the hatred Shiites and Kurds have pent up for the Sunnis there because of Saddams's atrocities and you'll have the formula for what Libs are trying to brew in Iraq. It's a political year, so nothing but Democrats' own blind ambition matter to them (which is making you look pretty silly given where we are today) So, were you for it before you were against it or is it the other way round? http://www.collarchat.com/m_981487/mpage_1/tm.htm#981693 So, if they are free to forge their own destiny today, they were free to forge it before we invaded, and not during our invasion and occupation. If they are doing and have been doing and will be doing this, I think we can put the lie to the 'scared of Saddam' insolent and impudent and ignorant talking points, they ring hollow.

rulemylife -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 12:34:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Its fine if a Dem president bombs away in other words And you are mistaken, that wasn't posted anywhere Further, its noteworthy that there was bombing and carnage in another Islamic nation today. Perhaps that's practically the state of normalcy in that particular region? If it is then perhaps we shouldn't have there in the first place. But you crowed about how we were liberating Iraq.

mnottertail -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 12:37:28 PM)
It appears as though the Syrians are fed up with the clown, and like every other nation on earth re their ruling class, not scared of him. They are bombing on their own now tho. No need for us to liberate anyone, they will get their own gimmick in their own time.

Sanity -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 1:21:52 PM)
Mere obfuscation, has nothing to do with the question asked quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Thats better, thank you. Merry Fucking Christmas to you as well... [:D] Regarding your new point though, and back to something nearer the topic... how does one bombing supposedly negate the fact that they are now free to forge their own destiny How does that work, please explain the mechanics of it? Because on the face of it, your statement doesnt seem to make any sense. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Someone posted on the locked thread that "They are free to choose their own destiny today" Events patently show that to be nonsense. All thats happened is one hardline faction has replaced another, and so it will continue. I hope the US and UK stay out of it unless absolutely necessary, such as the situation we faced with Libya where a whole city was threatened with massacre.. I have edited the above to please Sanity and get his quote right. I normally wouldnt but it is Christmas after all. Here, let me handle that one, I call to mind from the halcyon days of yore, and insightful echo (which I had fundamentally given you at the outset, you know how you are about taking others ideas and using them as your own ) But of course you had to go stick democrat in there..... quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar Since the conflict in iraq to me is basically a civil war, i would think the sect which has fewer people and power would fear the US leaving. minnetar Just add in the hatred Shiites and Kurds have pent up for the Sunnis there because of Saddams's atrocities and you'll have the formula for what Libs are trying to brew in Iraq. It's a political year, so nothing but Democrats' own blind ambition matter to them (which is making you look pretty silly given where we are today) So, were you for it before you were against it or is it the other way round? http://www.collarchat.com/m_981487/mpage_1/tm.htm#981693 So, if they are free to forge their own destiny today, they were free to forge it before we invaded, and not during our invasion and occupation. If they are doing and have been doing and will be doing this, I think we can put the lie to the 'scared of Saddam' insolent and impudent and ignorant talking points, they ring hollow.

Sanity -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 1:23:42 PM)
So did Obama Most leftists however, are pissed off that fifty million Iraqis today have the vote quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife If it is then perhaps we shouldn't have there in the first place. But you crowed about how we were liberating Iraq.

mnottertail -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 1:24:17 PM)
how does one bombing supposedly negate the fact that they are now free to forge their own destiny How does that work, please explain the mechanics of it? I believe it is a point by point answer to this obviously ill-considered question.

mnottertail -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 1:26:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity So did Obama Most leftists however, are pissed off that fifty million Iraqis today have the vote quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife If it is then perhaps we shouldn't have there in the first place. But you crowed about how we were liberating Iraq. That would be less than had the vote before the invasion by how many? What number are you using for dead Iraquis that had the vote before they were killed?

Sanity -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 1:27:51 PM)
Youre trying to claim that Saddam Hussein wasnt a dictator? That Iraqis had the vote prior to the liberation effort? Sorry, youre not making any sense. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail That would be less than had the vote before the invasion by how many? What number are you using for dead Iraquis that had the vote before they were killed?

mnottertail -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 1:41:23 PM)
Yeah, I know, its dealing with facts, something that doesnt click with you. The vote for saddam was as crooked as the vote for al-Malawiki. And no, grasshopper I didn't say that Saddam wasnt a dictator. Nor am I saying that al-Malawiki isnt. Your confusion runs deep in these matters, maybe you should read up on these things and learn something about them. 11,454,638 voted in the election prior to the invasion, and the population of Iraq is 26 298 900 Admittedly, the number is from 2006 or so, it might be lower or higher depending on our kill rates there CIA has it 29,671,605 (July 2010 est.) (and we assume this time there is good intel, hah?) .... so if there are 50 million free in Iraq, alot of neo-cons from florida are now living there or something. What do you think that swollen population is? Thats what I am saying, blustering and arrogant displays of no knowledge of what you are talking about sort of waters down ANY small insignificant truth that your points (by mistake only) could contain. See what I mean?

Lucylastic -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 1:45:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity So did Obama Most leftists however, are pissed off that fifty million Iraqis today have the vote quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife If it is then perhaps we shouldn't have there in the first place. But you crowed about how we were liberating Iraq. what do you take as being "most lefties"? you have proof of this I take it its not just another post claiming untruths?

mnottertail -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 1:50:12 PM)
Well, I am a gonna have to be a leftist that is pissed off that 50 million Iraqis have the vote, because 20 million of them would be teabaggers fantasies from Faux Nuze or something.

Moonhead -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 2:04:46 PM)
They don't get to vote in America, Ron. [;)]

mnottertail -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 2:08:25 PM)
Well yes we do, we invade and tell them who they can and can't run and 'supervise' the 'election'. Like you chaps did in the halcyon days of BEITC(h) before you wised up a great deal.....I always wanted to get that in there somewhere moon, mad props to you for giving me the glimmer of a go.

Sanity -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 2:09:15 PM)
Well then what your point? More obfuscation, nothing else. [:D] quote: The vote for saddam was as crooked

mnottertail -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 2:15:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Well then what your point? More obfuscation, nothing else. [:D] quote: The vote for saddam was as crooked What WAS my point? (I don't want to misquote here, but I do have to have a little working room, so I assume quite reasonably...) 1) No liberation was accomplished, nor was one ever contemplated. 2) You don't have any clue what you are rambling about, you are as always; factless and feckless. 3) They are worse off than when we invaded. 4) you need to use the dictionary and look up the meaning of obfuscation, it is 'clear' you have no idea what it means if you are not using it to describe your contributions on every post in CollarMe politics.

Moonhead -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 2:41:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail ...you are as always; factless and feckless... You mean he doesn't give a feck?

mnottertail -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 2:49:02 PM)
More of a less than that sort of thing.

Politesub53 -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 3:38:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Thats better, thank you. Merry Fucking Christmas to you as well... [:D] Regarding your new point though, and back to something nearer the topic... how does one bombing supposedly negate the fact that they are now free to forge their own destiny How does that work, please explain the mechanics of it? Because on the face of it, your statement doesnt seem to make any sense. Thats a fair enough question. The point is the people of Iraq are still not totally free, they still have bombings and killings on a regular basis, not as high as 2006 but I expect that to rise now the US have withdrawn the last of the troops. They dont have electricity or running water on a constant basis, which they had before the election, and they certainy are not free to vote for who they want without fear of reprisals from one side or the other. So they are no better off than before the invasion. Time will tell if I am right about an increase in violence, and I hope I`m not, all of which i was saying prior to the invasion. Libya is different for one main reason, a civil was was already in place and the west only intervened when it was threatened that Bengahzi and its population would be destroyed by pro government forces.

tweakabelle -> RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... (12/24/2011 6:09:03 PM)
"He is the most powerful man in Iraq without question," Iraq's former national security minister, Mowaffak al-Rubaie, told the newspaper al-Sharq al-Awsat in July 2010. "Nothing gets done without him." The man being referred to is the *Iranian* Qassem Suleimani, commander of the al-Quds force of the Revolutionary Guards. Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/28/qassem-suleimani-iran-iraq-influence There are a few further details about Suleimani at wiki but they're not very revealing.

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