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ORIGINAL: soul2share

And for the conspiracy thoerists out there....bunk! I'm all for civil liberties and not getting my rights violated, but I've learned that if you fly, you're going to have to go thru the security crap. It's not perfect, there have been people that have gotten thru, and thank goodness, their attempts to bring down a plane failed, but gone are the days when we can just trust everyone coming into an airport.

I still can't believe how stupid this woman was. This'll leave me shaking my head for a few hours.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

While it may be a stretch, interfering with a flight has been a crime for over 40 years (Jim Morrison was arrested on that charge, once). I think that technically, that is what this person was doing (causing a delay could be seen as interference).

So, while the author may want to spin that they were arrested for exercising their right to free speech, what they were doing was nothing more than being a pain in the ass.

Now, I am a strong proponent for free speech and I think we've lost too much of that right, already. I think this person could have made a better point (about freedom of speech) if they had recited the fourth amendment while doing as directed at the security station. Of course, I don't think they would have been arrested. I have been a bit miffed and said: "What do you mean 'extra screening'?" while moving to do as instructed and never had an issue raised.

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ORIGINAL: soul2share

And for the conspiracy thoerists out there....bunk! I'm all for civil liberties and not getting my rights violated, but I've learned that if you fly, you're going to have to go thru the security crap. It's not perfect, there have been people that have gotten thru, and thank goodness, their attempts to bring down a plane failed, but gone are the days when we can just trust everyone coming into an airport.

I still can't believe how stupid this woman was. This'll leave me shaking my head for a few hours.

The libertarian in me says: Why can't we have flights where we are not subjected to these searches, etc. as an alternative for people that don't want to endure what we consider to be illegal searches.

Yes, we understand we wouldn't be as safe. Yes, we understand we'd be risking our lives. I don't know that the extra measures we're enduring now have actually prevented attacks from any but the truly lazy, anyway. I think it is the very thing that famous Ben Franklin quote speaks to. We've given up a little liberty and I don't feel a whole lot more secure. I guess we got what we deserve.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Important points to consider:

1) This happened at a ground checkpoint, so 'interfering with a flight' and all that wouldn't be relevant.

2) If the legal and constitutional standard for preflight screening is, as the supreme court said, "Prevent dangerous weapons from being admitted onboard" than the shenanigans the TSA has invented don't meet that restriction, and should be challenged.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Jim Morrison faced that charge for hitting on a stewardess and singing "Old Man River" very loudly when he found out her name was "Riva".

I will repeat: Delaying a flight could be considered to be "interfering".



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack


In Katz v. United States, 389 U.S., 347 (1967), the Supreme Court ruled that the 4th amendment's protections apply only when the searched party has a "reasonable expectation of privacy". Going through the airport scanner or, more obviously, deliberately refusing to and intending to take the personal pat down clearly indicate that there was no "expectation of privacy", hence the 4th Amendment protections would not apply.

Of the thousand way to express your dissatisfaction with the TSA's methods (which I disagree with as well), showboating at the scanner while on the line in the airport has to be amongst the stupidest.

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

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