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jaslyn82 -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (1/16/2012 7:50:29 AM)

Technically, none of this should have happened if she had a safe word, and she used it, and he respected the safe word right?
I think now, safe words are not only to protect subs but to protect doms as well, so they know exactly when they are going to too far where the sub may start feeling like it's real abuse and start freaking out like her and call the cops or something.
I don't understand how some feel the victim should shoulder some blame here.



ShibsStories -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (1/16/2012 8:19:31 AM)

Wonder if John Hopkins now has a bunch of kinky groupies, begging him to chain them to radiators...



mnottertail -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (1/16/2012 8:20:58 AM)

Call me or text me, if you find out that is the case, please. I'll be there with bells and chains on.



ShibsStories -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (1/16/2012 8:41:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Call me or text me, if you find out that is the case, please. I'll be there with bells and chains on.

Dunno
*suspicious look*
I'm not sure about those bells, I feel like you could take them apart for use as lock picks.



mnottertail -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (1/16/2012 8:53:31 AM)

lets test hop that theory. whatcha think?



isoLadyOwner -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (1/16/2012 9:01:51 AM)

Victims of rape and sexual assault often balk at testifying. They fear they might be blamed for being victimized.

Its quite clear people in our society will blame them.

Look at the comments in forum threads about the treatment of this woman and you will see the personal attacks and bile she would have faced.

There's another thread where people blamed and pilloried this woman largely based on their own personal sexual interests and orientation.

Hardly a surprise she didn't want to perpetuate her humiliation and watch the the New York Post doing constant salacious play by plays.

I'm glad that guy spent four months in pure hell, he won't forget his time being owned by the NY state Government. Doesn't look like his name's been cleared either; fun times with job applications and background checks.



ShibsStories -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (1/16/2012 9:22:00 AM)

In response to Ron-I'm game, if it's handcuffs on me- if it's you I'm going to have to insist on a padlock, I just feel that's a bit more fair.

In response to Iso-
While it's true that sometimes the victim gets blamed and that's wrong- sometimes the person setting themselves up as the victim IS to blame, and have made someone else's life hell through their own selfishness and desire for revenge/publicity/sympathy.
Or maybe they didn't think things through at one point, and now that they find themselves so deep in, can't woman up and state the truth.
I believe this is one of those cases from the articles I have read so far. I could be wrong, but the facts as they are presented show a pissed off woman(or her mom) putting a man in jail for something she did with him consensually, and from her emails/texts to him, ASKED HIM TO DO TO HER.



tazzygirl -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (1/16/2012 2:05:17 PM)

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I believe this is one of those cases from the articles I have read so far. I could be wrong, but the facts as they are presented show a pissed off woman(or her mom) putting a man in jail for something she did with him consensually, and from her emails/texts to him, ASKED HIM TO DO TO HER.


That is my feeling exactly

And the emails between the two given to the court indicate just that



Hillwilliam -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (1/16/2012 3:04:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner

I'm glad that guy spent four months in pure hell, he won't forget his time being owned by the NY state Government. Doesn't look like his name's been cleared either; fun times with job applications and background checks.

Would you say the same thing if it turns out that he is completely innocent and it's a case of "pissed off lover"?

As I said earlier. the judge taking the initial $350,000 bail and turning the guy loose on his own recognizance after examining some of the evidence speaks volumes.

They don't even turn you loose on recognizance for drunk in public.



fucktoyprincess -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (1/16/2012 4:16:15 PM)

p.s. I read Arturas's response to me as being quite tongue-in-cheek, so to speak, and my response was in kind.

There seem to be some (and I have been contacted by e-mail) who seem to think the exchange was meant seriously (!)

Anyway...

To clarify my first post on this thread. What I am saying is that men also need to be careful about screening women who they play with to ensure the women are stable, and actually ready to embark on a BDSM relationship - otherwise what happened in this case - a man imprisoned - can very easily happen, because until and unless the authorities can determine consent, they are going to put a man like that behind bars. That is the reality. Because without consent, one is not allowed to go around handcuffing people to radiators, let alone anything else. My point was that I correspond with many men on sites like this and others who don't seem to be interested in screening. And I always think, "gee, how do you know I am not some wacko who might do something crazy, and get you into trouble somehow". I hope this clarifies my point.

I read Arturas's response as a humorous one, i.e., given my screen name (haha) what did I expect. I assumed he was joking when he said he always scores the first go around (I mean, please, how can anyone take that seriously??).

To which, I gave what I considered a humorous response.

Some of you are taking this exchange far too seriously. I don't think he scores in the first go around with everyone, and no he didn't pass some test of mine - this exchange was all meant in a less serious way. And if Arturas was being serious (!?), well then I simply have no response to him.

I wouldn't have bothered with this additional post, but I am concerned that my message that each of us, regardless of gender, needs to screen those we play with, is getting lost amidst an exchange that is quite trivial....




Numbone -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (1/26/2012 6:31:06 PM)

The page seems to be down. :(



OsideGirl -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (1/31/2012 2:59:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ShibsStories

I believe this is one of those cases from the articles I have read so far. I could be wrong, but the facts as they are presented show a pissed off woman(or her mom) putting a man in jail for something she did with him consensually, and from her emails/texts to him, ASKED HIM TO DO TO HER.


I agree with this view. Not a lot in her story adds up and she appears to be just a little on the unstable side.



MariaB -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (2/1/2012 12:21:55 AM)

He knew that she had a serious alcohol problem but still took her on. Someone with a serious alcohol problem is unstable, someone with a serious alcohol problem is in no fit state to consent.
The whole thing sounds suspicious. She clearly lied and he clearly took advantage of an unstable woman.
Someone said that Stockholm syndrome can't happen in 8 days. That is nonsense, Stockholm syndrome has been diagnosed in people who were taken hostage on an airplane for 3 days. People who suffer from a nervous disposition can suffer from Stockholm syndrome within days.



OsideGirl -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (2/1/2012 7:06:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

He knew that she had a serious alcohol problem but still took her on. Someone with a serious alcohol problem is unstable, someone with a serious alcohol problem is in no fit state to consent.
The whole thing sounds suspicious. She clearly lied and he clearly took advantage of an unstable woman.


She said she had an alcohol problem.....but every time they had met prior she seemed fine. So, it's possible he thought it wasn't that much of a problem. Part two of that is that every recovering alcoholic I know still refers to themselves as an alcoholic and will tell you they have a problem alcohol.

I think there's fault on both sides.



leonine -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (2/6/2012 4:44:29 AM)

The next time someone tells me my novels about sex slaves who end up loving their captors are total fantasy, I'll quote this reference.



ResidentSadist -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (2/6/2012 9:55:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
There but by the grace of god....
...

Amen sister.   All it takes is a whiny slave looking for empathy to tell one story to the wrong person.  I can picture the picture the conversation the "victim" had with her mom. "He beats me, keeps me a cage and violently fucks me all the time"...  Then mom picks up the phone and:

[sm=onphone.gif] Hello, is this the NYPD? 
"Yes"
My daughter called and said Mr. Hopkins was [sm=sm.gif][sm=sex.gif]  . . . it's just awful! 
"Mam, can you repeat that last part please?" 




servantforuse -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (2/7/2012 6:36:42 AM)

I never understood how she could be kept captive while going to work everyday ?



Kahllia -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (2/7/2012 10:17:01 AM)

Maybe she was trying to come out to her mom about it all her lifestyle and her mom freaked. And called and she felt ashamed and is going along with it I know my mom called the cops when I explained. My lifestyle choices to her but UN like this. Weak girl with an alcohol problem. I. Did not let it her crazy and out of hand I told the truth and its hard being judged and looked at by people that once had thought of u as an angle and know this kinky sexual bea don't know what's. Worse not having a safe place to tell friends family loved ones about a path we choose in life or having to feel the need to lie so the people that don't get it or want to get it wont shun or. Pass judgment on you so maybe she is a victims but not of the crime she claims to be one of and. He really should have done some more home work on her



GoodlilGirlForU -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (2/17/2012 11:00:32 PM)

After reading the articles that I could get to come up, for some reason the latest says something about maintenance or what have you, I do think that both persons have some blame in this. I think the "Master" got dealt a very heavy blow for what I have read so far but then how can any of us know for absolute certainty what happened in that apartment. The "slave" I feel was being subjected to punishment by Hopkins, for the incident described where she was crazed and drunk, and was kicked out. I think that maybe his anger got the best of him, because while he may have thought he was right in his position and was "helping" her by keeping her from getting access to alcohol or whatever, being chained to a radiator is going too far IMHO. That smacks of inhumane treatment and abuse not S&M to me. The part where they say she was able to leave, then called her mother but then apparently returned does not make a lot of sense though. She could have felt powerless being so far from home and felt she had no choice? IDK as a woman who was involved in a very abusive relationship with a man for over a year I can understand a bit. It was not a lifestyle relationship but nevertheless it took him holding me against my will for two days, raping me and attempting to to kill me to get me to leave for good. It finally took this kind of brutality from him to make me realize that he was never going to change and if I did not get away from him he would kill me, call it survival instinct or whatever.



JeffBC -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (2/25/2012 11:45:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
...And the surprising thing is, often, when I ask men if they have any specific questions for me, most of the time, they have absolutely NO questions for me (I am not exaggerating.)

Well, just to add a different perspective, I wouldn't have any questions for you. But then again, I wouldn't have any real questions about my safety in meeting you for coffee and that'd be ALL we were meeting for on a first meet. There'd be no "play" or sex or anything else that'd likely get me in trouble.

The reason I'd have no questions up front is that I prefer to ask them all face to face. I get SOOO much more information facial expressions and by the time I'd decided meeting you was a good thing I'd already have gotten as much as I thought it possible to get from afar. The questions I would be most interested in asking you would be things like, "How was your family life as a child?" and other things which would help me build up a life history of you as a person. It just doesn't seem all that risky.

Insofar as the OP, I think the guy was screwed. Obviously, the judge does too given the change from 350k bail to "released on own recognizance". I suppose I could go down the path of "screwed by his own foolishness" but that'd be blaming the victim now, wouldn't it? (assuming I'm right about the girl being the unstable one).



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