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scientistsub -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (2/26/2012 1:24:57 PM)

If she got dumped and was angry and so made the call...why was she found chained to a radiator? Did the guy tell her it wasn't working and then decide to chain her to the radiator one more time? I suppose she could have chained herself but if that were the case, I think that defense would have been mentioned. Maybe there is something I am missing and more has been reported on this.

There are things that cannot be consented to- including high risk activities. I am not sure, but maybe being left alone chained to something qualifies? It may or may not, but bad idea in general. If there is a fire or some other emergency, the girl has no way to get out.




scientistsub -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (2/26/2012 1:42:54 PM)

Didn't he stay in jail for 4 months? 350,000 bail is not exactly drunk in public. It was set at a level that (clearly) this man could not meet.




Arturas -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (2/26/2012 10:21:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

p.s. I read Arturas's response to me as being quite tongue-in-cheek, so to speak, and my response was in kind.

There seem to be some (and I have been contacted by e-mail) who seem to think the exchange was meant seriously (!)

Anyway...

To clarify my first post on this thread. What I am saying is that men also need to be careful about screening women who they play with to ensure the women are stable, and actually ready to embark on a BDSM relationship - otherwise what happened in this case - a man imprisoned - can very easily happen, because until and unless the authorities can determine consent, they are going to put a man like that behind bars. That is the reality. Because without consent, one is not allowed to go around handcuffing people to radiators, let alone anything else. My point was that I correspond with many men on sites like this and others who don't seem to be interested in screening. And I always think, "gee, how do you know I am not some wacko who might do something crazy, and get you into trouble somehow". I hope this clarifies my point.

I read Arturas's response as a humorous one, i.e., given my screen name (haha) what did I expect. I assumed he was joking when he said he always scores the first go around (I mean, please, how can anyone take that seriously??).

To which, I gave what I considered a humorous response.

Some of you are taking this exchange far too seriously. I don't think he scores in the first go around with everyone, and no he didn't pass some test of mine - this exchange was all meant in a less serious way. And if Arturas was being serious (!?), well then I simply have no response to him.

I wouldn't have bothered with this additional post, but I am concerned that my message that each of us, regardless of gender, needs to screen those we play with, is getting lost amidst an exchange that is quite trivial....



Actually, I'm a dom from "the other side" who occasionally posts here. I always post factually based on real life experience. I usually post only to those items I take a rare interest in or to those who gained my respect. As was the case with you. Everything I posted to you was factual. This post of yours about the one I used to address your concern was one of those rare ones that actually touched me in a bad way, in which I actually cared about the somewhat negative reply. Even doms have feelings.




tazzygirl -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (2/27/2012 9:57:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: scientistsub

Didn't he stay in jail for 4 months? 350,000 bail is not exactly drunk in public. It was set at a level that (clearly) this man could not meet.


Yes, he stayed until the victim stated she was not coming back to testify.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (2/27/2012 11:58:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: scientistsub

Didn't he stay in jail for 4 months? 350,000 bail is not exactly drunk in public. It was set at a level that (clearly) this man could not meet.

Yes he did. The judge then looked at the evidence and decided to reduce the bail from 350K to ZERO. This is less bail than one would face for a PD charge.
The reduction of bail to ZERO speaks volumes.




OChainMe -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (3/7/2012 3:26:39 PM)

Its hard to believe that two cases so very similar had so very different outcomes. Life is just not fair. Glenn Marcus is jailed, on charges and accusations as flimsy as this womans. If you doubt her, cast aspersions on Jodi's tale; the stories are nearly identical. Too bad Jodi got a gullible government to believe her. Both mens situations show that BDSM is not at all safe...for the man involved. A scorned or angry woman can easily level false charges and ruin an innocents life. Its not just the submissive who needs to have caution.




quickieSS -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (3/12/2012 11:43:41 AM)

Our justice systems is flawed in that biases always lean the woman's way. She knew what she was getting into. That guys life is probably ruined now.




littlekitten1 -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (3/13/2012 8:45:40 AM)

This is why I feel BDSM should stop being demonized so much by the public. It's a practice that I think will never go away, because people just get born naturally with submissive and dominant streaks.
If BDSM wasn't so taboo, we could have proper education and discussions about it that made people aware of risks and such. And the fact that you need a damn safe word!! x( Being clueless is dangerous.




MistrixMsE -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (3/13/2012 7:53:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
...And the surprising thing is, often, when I ask men if they have any specific questions for me, most of the time, they have absolutely NO questions for me (I am not exaggerating.)

Well, just to add a different perspective, I wouldn't have any questions for you. But then again, I wouldn't have any real questions about my safety in meeting you for coffee and that'd be ALL we were meeting for on a first meet. There'd be no "play" or sex or anything else that'd likely get me in trouble.

The reason I'd have no questions up front is that I prefer to ask them all face to face. I get SOOO much more information facial expressions and by the time I'd decided meeting you was a good thing I'd already have gotten as much as I thought it possible to get from afar. The questions I would be most interested in asking you would be things like, "How was your family life as a child?" and other things which would help me build up a life history of you as a person. It just doesn't seem all that risky.


Asking me about my family life as a child would be a bit to intrusive for a first coffee meeting in public... lol. That's not appropriate until after a couple meetings & or planning a date at least. That's the kind of information one gets from me after knowing me for some time on an organic level, as a friend.. not via 'interview' at all. If someone just popped off with that at coffee I'd be so tempted to go along with their armchair psychology fantasy & really fuck with their head for being so presumptuous.

Just sayin...

I'd never cross country to move in with someone I didnt know REALLY fucking well though either, nor would I let one cross country and move into my place without knowing them really fucking well... and having done a background check on 'em to boot.




Pyramus -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (4/24/2012 11:39:26 PM)

I opened a thread on this today not knowing that this already existed.
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Alternative Lifestyles in the News >> What (easily verifiable?) facts are missing from this Master/slave or Perpetrator/rape true story?
Now all the pieces fit into place.
What worries me is that, even in progressive states such as California, typical D/s play is illegal (in some respects), whether or not there is consent.
Add the fact that people lie, and that things sometimes go badly (by either side), and it's downright dangerous (legally) to play some times with some people.




PrincessDonna11 -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (6/3/2012 6:54:16 AM)

Im sorry but again we have got caught up in a story that is media hyped and do not know the whole story! The girl was able to call out at some point as she called her mother who its said reported it to police. having been in this lifestyle as long as I have Ive seen many things. It could possibly be a situation that the Dom made her watch as he pleased someone else (by what ever means they call "please"),she may have been in punishment mode I( I did find the "chained to something a little disturbing) and Im sorry about who may not agree ( no Im not lol) but no does mean no. Im sure she now regrets her moms actions because she doesnt want her name put out there under this venue, aahh.. poor mom shes got to take the stand too!




masterphotouk -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (6/10/2012 5:10:32 AM)

Why cant people just admit what they want to themselves.




TheDomInTheHat -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (7/8/2012 3:08:11 PM)

Only those two know what really happened. There are plenty of abusive nutbags out there on the male side of things whether they call it bdsm or just controlling abusive asshattery doesn't much matter. On the female side of things, frankly there are a lot women right here on this website that are not so much looking for a dominant but are looking for a vehicle for their self-destructive urges.

Still there is definitely a sexist bias against believing that an adult woman can consent to what would seem by others and this judge to be an abusive relationship. Aside from the violent part which the law says you can't consent to, plenty of people technically consent to abusive relationships all the time. Being an asshole doesn't make you a rapist and being a crazy doesn't make you a victim. Can you consent to letting me chain you the radiator all day? Sure. Will I do it? It depends on whether it can be done in a way where you can either let yourself out or contact me to let you out when you've had enough. If you can consent to letting me hit you with a whip that it would be illegal to hit a dog with, you can certainly consent to being tied up in almost any way that doesn't kill or permanently injure you.

Beyond the problems of evolving notions of relationships and consent in our society not matching up to laws that assumed that a woman can only consent to her husband (and btw it was not that long ago that law held that consent was not revocable in that context), it is a bit unfair that this guy was jailed and had his name dragged through the mud while the alleged victim got to remain anonymous. Either both parties should be named by the press in these cases or neither party should be named until trial.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Woman held captive as sex slave in NYC Update (7/8/2012 4:53:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheDomInTheHat

Beyond the problems of evolving notions of relationships and consent in our society not matching up to laws that assumed that a woman can only consent to her husband (and btw it was not that long ago that law held that consent was not revocable in that context), it is a bit unfair that this guy was jailed and had his name dragged through the mud while the alleged victim got to remain anonymous. Either both parties should be named by the press in these cases or neither party should be named until trial.


In a case like this, I believe that until the facts were completely verified, this man's name should not have been dragged through the mud.  Personally, if I were him, I would file a civil suit against the woman for ruining his reputation.  There were far too many holes in her story to make it plausible.  Being able to go out to work means you have an opportunity to escape being held captive as the number one problem.




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