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Musicmystery -> RE: Virginia Voter Loyalty Oath (12/29/2011 3:25:38 PM)

Of course, the sheer theater of correcting disloyal people by having them sign a pledge about what they do on a secret ballot is interesting...but then, this is the party that gave us the Department of Homeland Theater--a pointless government expansion if ever there was one, and very expensive.




SixMore2Go -> RE: Virginia Voter Loyalty Oath (12/29/2011 3:56:09 PM)

You Yanks have a secret ballot there don't you? So how does it matter what piece of paper the snakeoil-men want you to sign. You sign, then vote for your choice as nominee, and then, come the general, you votes however you pleases. And should they ask, you, smiling, answer that you voted "the way you were supposed to."



InvisibleBlack -> RE: Virginia Voter Loyalty Oath (12/29/2011 4:00:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
So, this is just a useless piece of paper to sign?


Pretty much.

As I get older, the stupidities in politics just seem to get greater.

Given that all elections in the United States are by secret ballot - there's no way to know who someone voted for so there's no way to enforce such an oath. However, the Republican Party is a private organization and they are allowed to run their primaries in any way they see fit. If their Virginian organization feels the need to extract oaths from their membership and the party members there are comfortable with that - that's really their business.

My own personal opinion - vote for whomever you want. The way to ensure you vote for me is to be the best damn candidate possible. Anything else is just smoke and mirrors ... or possibly vaudeville.



tazzygirl -> RE: Virginia Voter Loyalty Oath (12/29/2011 4:30:37 PM)

Then how do they count and verify the election results when its a recount?



Owner59 -> RE: Virginia Voter Loyalty Oath (12/29/2011 5:07:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Absolutely insane.  There is no way that this could hold up in court.  Some considerations:

1. This can and should be challenged by a third party.  This will undercut a major portion of their support.

2. Why should the GOP voters be bound to this and not the Democratic voters?

I suspect this is specifically aimed at discouraging Ron Paul and Trump from launching third party bids

Actually it is aimed at keeping Democrats from voting in the GOP primary. They're afraid we'll doy what Rush and his minions couldn't do in 2008.

Which was to get Barack Obama elected to be the dem. nominee instead of Hillary,if rush had any affect at all.

Whatever though.....she`s SofS.

And there`s rumors that she might replace Biden as VP.

To the 1st point.I don`t see how the oath would keep a dem party crasher from voting in the primary.



BreakTrainUse -> RE: Virginia Voter Loyalty Oath (12/29/2011 5:22:29 PM)

I happen to live in Virginia.  This is nothing new.  Both parties have required a "pledge" from primary voters in past years, it's a worthless piece of paper.

The only reason the Democrats aren't doing it this year is that there is no Democratic primary.

Neither party has a monopoly on stupid.



MrRodgers -> RE: Virginia Voter Loyalty Oath (12/29/2011 5:32:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MikeSojourner

Not sure why this would be an issue.   If a private group wants to institute their own rules for how their members vote, then let them.    If you don't like that group's rules, then join a different group.  This isn't a rule for general elections that determine who gets voted in, but only for that group to decide who they want to stand behind in an election.  So one group may institute one set of rules, and another group institutes a different set.

Like Tazzy posted -
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Section 24.2-545 of the Code of Virginia allows the political party holding a primary to determine requirements for voting in the primary


To my mind - kind of a stupid thing to do, but totally legit if that's what they want.


You are absolutely correct but politically it is an all too typical sad commentary on the current state of the repub party.



tazzygirl -> RE: Virginia Voter Loyalty Oath (12/29/2011 5:37:02 PM)

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And there`s rumors that she might replace Biden as VP.


I dont see that happening.



Lucylastic -> RE: Virginia Voter Loyalty Oath (12/29/2011 5:40:39 PM)

I read that somewhere tooo ...just cant remember where


I dont se it happening, but hey, stranger things have happened
just look at the mess the candidates have taken part in, on the right.
I do wonder more about how 16 is gonna go, given the disgrace they are making of this one



kalikshama -> RE: Virginia Voter Loyalty Oath (12/29/2011 5:59:59 PM)

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And there`s rumors that she might replace Biden as VP.


Stay tuned for new thread.



InvisibleBlack -> RE: Virginia Voter Loyalty Oath (12/29/2011 6:07:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Then how do they count and verify the election results when its a recount?


I couldn't speak for Virginia since every state has their own method of recording votes but here in New York, in the old days on the old lever machines, you'd tick off the votes for each office and then pull a lever and the machine would mechanically tally your vote on a counter (which you wouldn't see). The totals on each machine were collected and manually tallied and then the total count compared to the counts listed on the tickers on the machine itself. A "recount" would be a recount of the manually tally.

Your identity was never recorded, so they had no way of knowing who any individual voted for - just the total number of votes.

Last year they ditched those machines and brought in the e-voting machines, which was a trainwreck. Now you fill out a scantron-esque form and then run it through a scanning machine. Since the form doesn't have your name on it - they still have no way of knowing who voted for whom. I assume in a recount they'd re-scan all the forms.



tazzygirl -> RE: Virginia Voter Loyalty Oath (12/29/2011 6:37:19 PM)

I wasnt sure if a number on the form was recorded with your name somewhere.



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