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LaTigresse -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 2:59:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

It's not whether I want to have sex with them


For ME, it IS whether or not I want to have sex with them.

I am not a service top nor a prostitute. I don't just play OR have sex because someone I like, or not, wants it. If they want it that bad they can deal with it themselves.

It's not a judgement on other people's choices but my own feelings about how it is for me.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 3:56:48 PM)

I just don't have any sympathy for people who lavish stuff on people expecting stuff in return, and they don't get what they hoped for. if I'm a bitch for it then I am ok with it.

It's probably different because we've been together for 5 years, but one year I spent nearly 2 two 3 hundred dollars on Daddy for his birthday and for Christmas, I didn't mean to but I was like well He'd love this, and he'd love that, oh and he'd die for that, I know he would, and as each item came in, because I was to excited to wait the 2 months for his birthday and then x mas a few weeks later  I told him Daddy I have a surprrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrise for you when you get home, and I gave it to him. With no expectations back other than the expectation he'd say thank you, cause that's what you do when someone gives you something. He was, as I knew he'd be absolutely thrilled to the moon and back with his presents, And other than a thank you that was all I wanted"from him" I wanted to make him happy.



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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

I think any one who shells out lavish gifts with the idea they're going to get lucky deserves what they don't get if they don't get fucked cause unless the d hinted or said out right gifts get you fucked, you chose to do so freely and the other person is free to take said gifts and fuck or not.

Thank you for your perspective. This is exactly what I was talking about, attaching value to sex.  Some see it only as “emotional value” or "passionate value" not monetary.  Personally, I think it takes a lot of faith to drop a large hunk of cash on a gift and it's reflects on the value of the act of giving... which in an off hand way is emotional.  An expensive gift shows faith in their judgement, how well they know you by risking that much on something that if not well chosen would go to waste. 

If you help a friend move, you are trading physical labor for the emotional responsibilities in a friendship.  I’d rather let her hire movers and blow each other while they do all the heavy lifting.  

By many value systems, it’s sex for love, sex for sex, sex for submission etc.  It strikes me odd that everyone puts a price on their sex but few (like you) acknowledge the validity of others’ value systems and even get judgmental about it.  Surely it isn’t fair in the social order of things for people who exchange their valued gifts (monetary, emotional or otherwise) to receive nothing in return.  Only a bitch would wish that on someone. 

Many BDSM relationships are based on service and sex.  The submissive gets acceptance and acknowledgement in return for their sex, not sexual gratification.  Sex, labor, love, emotional rewards… we all value them at our own personal rates and exchange them in different ways in our relationships.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 3:59:30 PM)

I had a friends with benefits, and when I wanted to call him up and get a booty call I'd find some excuse to go out real quick, and we both knew it was an excuse and then we'd come home and fuck,, and then we wouldn't see each other again till next fuck.And when I was single I had no problem hooking up with friends who we sometimes got down and dirty with but that wasn't the point of our friendship:)

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ORIGINAL: slaveluci



Ditto! I enjoy sex (and food) very much and don't have to be in a deep, complicated, serious relationship to enjoy sharing either. Some of the best experiences I have had have been with virtual total strangers. To each their own, but I'm just free like that[;)]

luci




hausboy -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 4:19:02 PM)

I give gifts to someone to express my appreciation or gratitude....or it's just something nice to do for someone if I run across something that I know they'll like....

for me, has no correlation to fucking--if we want to fuck, we fuck.  I have plenty of sex for sex's sake and have found it to be empty and not very fulfilling on an emotional level. (physically, yes. emotionally, no.)  I often ask my date (before we go out) if they would be more comfortable going dutch first time out (coffee) to avoid any uncomfortable sense of "obligation."  If I invite them for a second date, I offer to pay....   most say yes to going dutch, and tell them they appreciate having "no pressure."

now.....soft serve ice cream....that's a whole other story.... I might consider putting out for good soft serve...




BurntKitty -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 5:36:35 PM)

FR-

I don't do casual sex anymore. I am happy to be in a monogamous relationship with someone of the same mindset. I just got tired of the "fuck, then go home" or "fuck, and when is he leaving?" I like falling asleep with him, and waking him up the next morning with coffee & a BJ. (Not necessarily in that order.)

However....what kinda ice cream? Schweddy Balls, perhaps??

[image]http://www.neontommy.com/sites/default/files/users/user431/Schweddy%20Balls_0.jpg[/image]




LillyBoPeep -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 5:36:54 PM)

If I give something to someone, I don't expect some kind of automatic reciprocation.

And I don't like the feeling when it seems like someone's doing something because they think they owe me, or they have to. It just doesn't sit right with me, and since I can usually tell, it takes a lot away from the experience. I'd rather do nothing than feel like that.




ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 7:52:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BurntKitty

FR-

I don't do casual sex anymore. I am happy to be in a monogamous relationship with someone of the same mindset. I just got tired of the "fuck, then go home" or "fuck, and when is he leaving?" I like falling asleep with him, and waking him up the next morning with coffee & a BJ. (Not necessarily in that order.)

However....what kinda ice cream? Schweddy Balls, perhaps??

[image]http://www.neontommy.com/sites/default/files/users/user431/Schweddy%20Balls_0.jpg[/image]

Hey... for Ben & Jerry's I'll even cuddle afterwards!




LookieNoNookie -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 8:08:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

“Oh Sir, since I am not preparing your meal, let pay them to do it for me”
“I want to be responsible for your pleasure, let me pay for the concert/movie/drinks/hookers/massage”
“ I brought you this gift as token and respect <unwrap a set Australian Murphy whips worth about $900.00>”

So do ya fuck her on the first date if she brings you $900 worth of whips?

Dumb question.  Does she have incredibly large titties?  Then you fuck her on the first date.  Problem solved.


Or $400 set 1200 thread count Egyptian linens?

That's (clearly) not the vital issue....(see above).


What if she only drops $150 on the meals or theater tickets… does that earn her your fingers while you drive so she can put her feet on the windshield and squirt on your glove box?

Not at all.  If she can't take care of you in the style and granduer you've come to expect......any response that provides her any pleasure is simply not on the books.

When a submissive genuinely takes responsibility for your pleasure, even if it is just a monetary token, do you accept responsibility for hers and reciprocate?

FUCK NO!!!!!! see above).

As for me, I’ll lend a hand (or fingers) to casual friends and strangers in a dungeon or put out for an ice cream cone at the beach.  It seems to me that some are real touchy about sex … they only fuck for “true love” instead of just fucking for fucks’ sake or as a courtesy for those they care about.  What say you?

Well, this is such a complex issue.  The first key is....does she have inordinately large titties?

Answer that question....everything else falls in to place.






LadyHibiscus -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 8:14:31 PM)

I would not describe my gvirls as "inordinately large". They do obscure my view of my feet, though.

I wonder if Pratesi makes flannel sheets...




ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 8:27:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom
...It's probably different because we've been together for 5 years, but one year I spent nearly 2 two 3 hundred dollars on Daddy for his birthday and for Christmas, I didn't mean to but I was like well He'd love this, and he'd love that, oh and he'd die for that, I know he would, and as each item came in, because I was to excited to wait the 2 months for his birthday and then x mas a few weeks later  I told him Daddy I have a surprrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrise for you when you get home, and I gave it to him. With no expectations back other than the expectation he'd say thank you, cause that's what you do when someone gives you something. He was, as I knew he'd be absolutely thrilled to the moon and back with his presents, And other than a thank you that was all I wanted"from him" I wanted to make him happy.
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
quote:

ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom
I think any one who shells out lavish gifts with the idea they're going to get lucky deserves what they don't get if they don't get fucked cause unless the d hinted or said out right gifts get you fucked, you chose to do so freely and the other person is free to take said gifts and fuck or not.

Thank you for your perspective. This is exactly what I was talking about, attaching value to sex.  Some see it only as “emotional value” or "passionate value" not monetary.  Personally, I think it takes a lot of faith to drop a large hunk of cash on a gift and it's reflects on the value of the act of giving... which in an off hand way is emotional.  An expensive gift shows faith in their judgement, how well they know you by risking that much on something that if not well chosen would go to waste. 

If you help a friend move, you are trading physical labor for the emotional responsibilities in a friendship.  I’d rather let her hire movers and blow each other while they do all the heavy lifting.  

By many value systems, it’s sex for love, sex for sex, sex for submission etc.  It strikes me odd that everyone puts a price on their sex but few (like you) acknowledge the validity of others’ value systems and even get judgmental about it.  Surely it isn’t fair in the social order of things for people who exchange their valued gifts (monetary, emotional or otherwise) to receive nothing in return.  Only a bitch would wish that on someone. 

Many BDSM relationships are based on service and sex.  The submissive gets acceptance and acknowledgement in return for their sex, not sexual gratification.  Sex, labor, love, emotional rewards… we all value them at our own personal rates and exchange them in different ways in our relationships.


In my perspective, sex makes people happy and sex is a great gift.  I give and receive sex as gifts.

When I was in my early 20s, the rule of the house was that my girls could have female friends and lovers at will.  My neighbor was my slave's lover but not mine.  By proxy, I felt a kinship towards the neighbor because she made my girl happy.  So when the neighbor needed help one day, I gave it to her.  A day or two later, I was shaving when the neighbor came into the bathroom and started rubbing her ass on me.  I pulled her pants down and banged her.  Afterwards I asked "what was that for for?"  She said, "because your were so nice to me.  Thank you".  I said "you're welcome".  We never pursued sex any further and remained friends as long as we were neighbors.  It was a nice sexy gift.  I never helped her expecting a piece of ass nor did I imply anything.  It was her idea, an act of spontaneous gratitude. . . that and I am irresistible while shaving. 




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 8:40:04 PM)

I give people gifts because I want to give them gifts, not because I want to have sex with them or think they're fuckable. And if someone gives me a gift I will say "Thank you" profusely, but I won't have sex with them because of it. To me, the two aren't related. I have sex with someone when I want to and they are willing, but I don't use it as a bartering system. In my mind, to do so would be to devalue both gift-giving/receiving and sex.

NBMG




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 8:49:56 PM)

Okay, I'll ask the stupid question, what cup size is considered "huge titties"? I have to know. Inquiring minds and all............




LookieNoNookie -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 8:54:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I would not describe my gvirls as "inordinately large". They do obscure my view of my feet, though.

I wonder if Pratesi makes flannel sheets...


Flannel's too hot to sleep on.

If a woman can't sleep on silk with the window open, in a Montana winter....there's (clearly) something wrong with the woman.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 8:56:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear

Okay, I'll ask the stupid question, what cup size is considered "huge titties"? I have to know. Inquiring minds and all............



Bigger than a mouthful.

(M-S, 8 - 7).




LadyHibiscus -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 8:56:58 PM)

I do get rather...warm of an evening...




LadyHibiscus -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 8:58:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear

Okay, I'll ask the stupid question, what cup size is considered "huge titties"? I have to know. Inquiring minds and all............



Bigger than a mouthful.

(M-S, 8 - 7).



How big is your mouth?




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (12/31/2011 9:06:50 PM)

Now that's a really good question Hib, I know mine's a lot more than a mouthful, hell, they must weigh 15-20 lbs each. Does that mean I get to take that off my weight? I mean, they're kinda like earrings, appendages yanoo?[:D]




DesFIP -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (1/1/2012 7:56:21 AM)

I don't do casual. It makes things easier, or harder, depending on how you look at it.
But I also wouldn't accept a gift of enormous value from someone who I didn't also value highly. An ice cream cone, no problem. $500 in linens, well it's a kind thought but I cannot and will not accept it. And someone who would do something like that isn't someone I could have enough commonality with. They would be too lacking in social cues for me to get involved with.




poise -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (1/1/2012 8:56:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BurntKitty

FR-

I don't do casual sex anymore.


Nor do I. I prefer to get all dressed up first. [:)]
Ohhh the fun that can be had with black ties!




LizDeluxe -> RE: -=Casual date, sub-she pays – should Dom-he put out?=- (1/1/2012 1:21:57 PM)

I find life to be much less complicated when sex isn't a variable in some quid pro quo. 




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