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Okay, I'll ask the stupid question, what cup size is considered "huge titties"? I have to know. Inquiring minds and all............

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

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You put out for an ice cream cone? Wow, you're easy!

I am also talented... so I could make you cum faster than the sodajerk could make the icecream come.

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make me think that they're really desperate

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By many value systems, it’s sex for love, sex for sex, sex for submission etc.  It strikes me odd that everyone puts a price on their sex but few (like you) acknowledge the validity of others’ value systems and even get judgmental about it.  Surely it isn’t fair in the social order of things for people who exchange their valued gifts (monetary, emotional or otherwise) to receive nothing in return. 

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The problem inherent in this is that you assume both parties understand each others value systems and share them. So the guy bringing the expensive gift assumes the woman shares his belief that gifts above $100 mean he gets sex in return. Unless he says it outright, then he gets what he deserves for making an assumption.

Coming in with the gift and saying "you can only take this if you have sex with me" would be much more honest. I doubt it would get him any more sex, but it would avoid the emotional fallout that comes from giving the gift without explaining and then being upset when he doesn't get laid.

As far as comparing sex to food, I would make a casual friend a sandwich, I wouldn't slave all day making a four course meal. That gets reserved for very special people and occasions. The kind of casual affection I would give a casual friend is a hug and a kiss on the cheek.

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Our value systems are complex.  I truly enjoy that you guys are sharing how sex, love, money, service and BDSM are valued and exchanged in your life.

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ORIGINAL: anniezz338

Ok, Dom reciprocating for a nice gift on the first date. I see this as purely between the individuals. But lets face it....it's going to be her choice in the end no matter what the Dom decides.

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

“Oh Sir, since I am not preparing your meal, let pay them to do it for me”
“I want to be responsible for your pleasure, let me pay for the concert/movie/drinks/hookers/massage”
“ I brought you this gift as token and respect <unwrap a set Australian Murphy whips worth about $900.00>”

So do ya fuck her on the first date if she brings you $900 worth of whips?
Or $400 set 1200 thread count Egyptian linens?
What if she only drops $150 on the meals or theater tickets… does that earn her your fingers while you drive so she can put her feet on the windshield and squirt on your glove box?
When a submissive genuinely takes responsibility for your pleasure, even if it is just a monetary token, do you accept responsibility for hers and reciprocate?

As for me, I’ll lend a hand (or fingers) to casual friends and strangers in a dungeon or put out for an ice cream cone at the beach.  It seems to me that some are real touchy about sex … they only fuck for “true love” instead of just fucking for fucks’ sake or as a courtesy for those they care about.  What say you?

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
The problem inherent in this is that you assume both parties understand each others value systems and share them. So the guy bringing the expensive gift assumes the woman shares his belief that gifts above $100 mean he gets sex in return. Unless he says it outright, then he gets what he deserves for making an assumption.

Coming in with the gift and saying "you can only take this if you have sex with me" would be much more honest. I doubt it would get him any more sex, but it would avoid the emotional fallout that comes from giving the gift without explaining and then being upset when he doesn't get laid.

As far as comparing sex to food, I would make a casual friend a sandwich, I wouldn't slave all day making a four course meal. That gets reserved for very special people and occasions. The kind of casual affection I would give a casual friend is a hug and a kiss on the cheek.

Thanks for sharing your values. 
As far as the OP goes, I wasn't assuming an understanding between the parties.  There doesn't have to be an understanding or preconceived notions.  I ask about your values. What would you do for X?  The expectations are personal projections, presumptions and bias on the part of the readers.  My reciprocation, is based on my own values.  Even if their gift (not their expectation) just happens to be an expression of those values.  

I personally don't have many guilt factors in my makeup.  However, I have personal bias.  If an heiress gave me a $900 gift, I presume it was no skin off her back but she was being very sincere in picking something of quality to impress me.  If a poor waitress gave me a $900 gift, I would think she was being very dedicated in that it represented a weeks worth of work.  It would impress me more than the heiress because she invested a week.  So it's not the monetary value, it's the investment of time, the commitment, thoughtfulness and sincerity that impress me  A girl that can convey all that in a single gift on 1st date is very wise in my book, not presumptuous.

I had a 4 day first date.  We were beyond the 1st date 'sniff before we fuck' stage because I flew her in, but this is a good example of values anyway.  She knew I loved my old classic convertible car.  One day after running out for a bit in my other car, I came back to find her slaving away in the hot sun detailing the convertible.  I walked up and asked why she was doing that instead of relaxing by the pool.  She said it was because my love for the car impressed her and she wanted it to look its best.  I was very touched by the sincerity and thoughtfulness of her efforts.

Our value systems are complex.  I truly enjoy that you guys are sharing how sex, love, money, service and BDSM are valued and exchanged in your life.

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“Oh Sir, ..... etc

You ask a lot of (quite) poignant questions.  Some require some additional consideration but....but the most pertinent one is answered by....

OF COURSE I'D FUCK HER ON THE FIRST DATE!!!!  ARE YOU SMOKING CRACK??????