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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 12:08:42 PM   
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Even if what you wrote were the truth, with Obama labeling his fellow Americans as extremists, why would anyone need to apologize








You have labeled your fellow americans as extremist...what is your point?

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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 12:09:51 PM   
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If two wrongs make a right (as you seem to be claiming) thats okay, because its better than Obamas spiritual advisor of twenty some odd years preaching "GOD DAMN AMERICA"


You may not like what mr. wright has to say but what has he said that is untrue?

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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 12:44:08 PM   
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If two wrongs make a right (as you seem to be claiming) thats okay, because its better than Obamas spiritual advisor of twenty some odd years preaching "GOD DAMN AMERICA"


You may not like what mr. wright has to say but what has he said that is untrue?


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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 12:51:46 PM   
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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 1:07:35 PM   
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Nuff said.




No, actually... there's MUCH MORE to be "said".


‘Real death panels’ set to face heat in Congress, courts

An often-overlooked portion of President Barack Obama’s prized health care law, the creation of the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), will face heat in the coming months from Congress and from the courts. Congressman Phil Roe, Tennessee Republican, told The Daily Caller the IPAB is the “real death panel” in the health care law, as compared to “end-of-life counseling” provisions in Obamacare that former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin once deemed “death panels.”

“This one is the real baby right here – and most people missed this,” Roe told TheDC. “What everybody was talking about, when you saw Sarah Palin and so forth, what they were talking about these advanced directives where you sit down and there’s sort of mandatory counseling – and Medicare paid for it. This IPAB got missed – and it’s the real death panel.”

The board would cap the total amount of money Medicare recipients could get for care. Roe,  a practicing doctor before he entered politics, said that means health care decisions will end up being based solely on cost, instead of what the best possible option is for Medicare patients.

“Basically, there’s a certain amount of money that’s allocated for Medicare spending each year,” Roe said in a phone interview. “Once you hit that amount that’s been appropriated, this board, this bureaucratically-appointed board, can then decide, not based on quality or need, but based on strictly cost.”

Congress can recommend different spending amounts, but has to offset any increase in one area with a decrease in another. If Congress doesn’t change anything in the board’s “recommendations” for how much money should be spent per Medicare recipient, their recommendations become law – even without congressional approval or the president’s signature.

The Goldwater Institute, a conservative think tank based in Arizona, says the IPAB would, when implemented, have more control over Medicare payment rates than the “Federal Reserve has over banking or the Environmental Protection Agency has over the environment.” The institute is challenging the IPAB provision in the Obamacare legislation in the courts – and has countered the Obama administration’s motion to dismiss with a motion for summary judgment, which means the case is likely to move forward with some form of a judicial decision mid-summer.

Diane Cohen, the Goldwater Institute’s lead attorney on the lawsuit, told TheDC that of the more than 150 boards and commissions the health car law creates, she believes the “most notorious of those 150 boards is the Independent Payment Advisory Board.”

“There was a lot of controversy over it [IPAB] when Obamacare was being considered in Congress by both sides of the aisle,” Cohen said, referring to more than 50 Democrats who wrote to then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi voicing their opposition to it. “It was very controversial and made its way into the law just because of the manner in which the whole law was passed to begin with. Even the American Medical Association, who has supported Obamacare for some reason, had come out and opposed the establishment of the Independent Payment Advisory Board.”

http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/22/real-death-panels-set-to-face-heat-in-congress-courts/



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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 1:20:57 PM   
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If two wrongs make a right (as you seem to be claiming) thats okay, because its better than Obamas spiritual advisor of twenty some odd years preaching "GOD DAMN AMERICA"


You may not like what mr. wright has to say but what has he said that is untrue?


"Them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office."

June 9, 2009 Virginia Daily Press.



What has been the presidents relationship with mr. wright since the june 9 virginia daily press quote you provided?

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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 1:27:38 PM   
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This one is the real baby right here – and most people missed this,” Roe told TheDC. “What everybody was talking about, when you saw Sarah Palin and so forth, what they were talking about these advanced directives where you sit down and there’s sort of mandatory counseling – and Medicare paid for it. This IPAB got missed – and it’s the real death panel.”






Crock of shit, nobody missed it that had the awareness and cognizance of a single celled organism, the spin was all over the map out here with the usual suspects leading the chicken little misinformation brigade.

In the choice between those who are paid their salary by the very insurance company they are judging on behalf of whether treatments will be extended that person, or a disinterested party who dispassionately says if little johnny cant get the peach pit enema, cuz it dont show up here in this paper, then neither can Mr. Obama.........for me and my house.. the latter.......

It is widely known, and spun thru many washing cycles. 

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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 1:48:16 PM   
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Due let us know when you actually have some... yanno... PROOF to substantiate your rantings.  K'Thanx.



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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 1:49:19 PM   
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WOMP, there it is.   For those who can read, comprehend and spell, leaves the teabaggers out of the conversations. 


http://www.collarchat.com/m_3625746/mpage_1/tm.htm

e pluribus unum.  do your own homework. and try not to be so scathingly and hysterically wrong so often.

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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 2:13:35 PM   
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 LOL... wanna try for some ACTUAL PROOF this time?!!   LOL!!!



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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 2:15:05 PM   
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Nope, you dont provide it, nor do you understand it when provided you,  so why bother?



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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 2:17:46 PM   
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It's okay... I knew you didn't have any actual proof to support your rantings.  Thanks for playing though?!! 






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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 2:27:00 PM   
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The back and forth with off topic comments can stop now folks. Thanks for your cooperation.

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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 2:47:33 PM   
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You have played that one out. Try a new line, it might get you somewhere.

Talk about pushing the fear factor... .lol


Obama just signed a law that allows for indefinite detention of US citizens outside of due process.

He absolutely does not have my vote, I'm not scared of socialism or terrorism but I'm damn scared of fascism and the 'hope and change' I want isn't what he has to offer.

Imp,

I gotta say, anytime I "bad mouth" a lib or a lefty, I'm not talking about you.  You actually have principles.

We now have everything in place:  A US administration can declare some group a "terrorist organization", detain them indefinitely, and even assassinate them.  All perfectly legal in accordance with US law.

Sure ... they won't do it.

Yet.

But, remember all the hype about "right-wing militias"?  What if the NRA is on the wrong side of a bad political battle?

And the left isn't any safer, if we have a particularly bad "right" administration: how about the SIEU being declared a terrorist organization, and all it's members imprisoned?  Or the NYT? 

I don't expect it now.  Or next year.  But the way is clear, and all we need is the right confluence of political actors, and the right political situation.

Hell, this has now made the internment of the American Japanese during WWII legal, I think! 

Does anyone know if FEMA is building any camps across the nation, for unspecified purposes?

Definitely a "new tone" in politics.

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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 3:00:43 PM   
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yeah, I don't ever recall him saying 'new tone' but a couple wistful comments on what should be done, are not proffers to lead the charge or to even participate in it.

We've went long down the vituperous road, and the polarized unworkable politics and I don't see us coming to our senses and going back. 

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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 5:28:55 PM   
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Sarah Palin and so forth, what they were talking about these advanced directives where you sit down and there’s sort of mandatory counseling – and Medicare paid for it.




They are required to do that by law... even before the HCL.

As far as the IPAB, I do love what was missed about that board.


The Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB, is a fifteen-member, unelected United States Government agency created in 2010 by sections 3403 and 10320 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which has the explicit task of reducing the rate of growth in Medicare without affecting coverage or quality. Under previous law, changes to Medicare reimbursement rates were recommended by MedPAC but required an act of congress to take effect, but the new system devolves responsibility to IPAB with the Congress being given the power to overrule the agency's decisions.

fifteen members appointed by the President, subject to Senate confirmation.

In making the appointments, the President consults with the Majority Leader of the Senate concerning the appointment of three members; the Speaker of the House of Representatives concerning the appointment of three members, the Minority Leader of the Senate concerning the appointment of three members, and the Minority Leader of the House of Representatives concerning the appointment of three members.


So, both Parts of Congress and the President have a say in who is on this board, with Congress having the ability to overrule any provisions the board wants to make.

Five will be appointed for a term of one year, five will be appointed for a term of three years, and five will be appointed for a term of six years. All subsequent appointments will be made for six years. A member may not serve more than two full consecutive terms. Individuals who are directly involved in providing or managing the delivery of Medicare items and services may not constitute a majority of IPAB’s membership.

Term limits... wish we had those in Congress.



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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/6/2012 6:52:45 PM   
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...both Parts of Congress and the President have a say in who is on this board, with Congress having the ability to overrule any provisions the board wants to make.



"Congress can recommend different spending amounts, but has to offset any increase in one area with a decrease in another. If Congress doesn’t change anything in the board’s “recommendations” for how much money should be spent per Medicare recipient, their recommendations become law – even without congressional approval or the president’s signature."



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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/9/2012 8:41:10 AM   
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Hell, this has now made the internment of the American Japanese during WWII legal, I think! 

Does anyone know if FEMA is building any camps across the nation, for unspecified purposes?


Crap!

National Responder Support Camp
Solicitation Number: HSFEHQ-10-R-0027
Agency: Department of Homeland Security
Office: Federal Emergency Management Agency
Location: Logistics Branch

The contractor shall construct and operate a Responder Support Camp (RSC) in which to stage responders and other authorized personnel and assets deployed for occurrences or events requiring a federal government response.


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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/9/2012 9:19:06 AM   
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I think the law clearly states that one must be involved with al-queda or another terrorist group,doing stuff.


No one has has to worry,even as an American,if they don`t do that.


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RE: Still More of Obamas "New Tone" - 1/9/2012 9:44:01 AM   
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I think the law clearly states that one must be involved with al-queda or another terrorist group,doing stuff.

No one has has to worry,even as an American,if they don`t do that.

K?

Definitions of domestic terrorism

The statutory definition of domestic terrorism in the United States has changed many times over the years; also, it can be argued that acts of domestic terrorism have been occurring since long before any legal definition was set forth.

According to a memo produced by the FBI's Terrorist Research and Analytical Center in 1994, domestic terrorism was defined as "the unlawful use of force or violence, committed by a group(s) of two or more individuals, against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

Under current United States law, set forth in the USA PATRIOT Act, acts of domestic terrorism are those which: "(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States."
I think about all it will take is a declaration to name any group a "terrorist organization" and they can be detained.

Anyone seen a copy of the actual law?

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