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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 3:37:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mmmm. That's some tasty satire. Maybe a little tastier than she intended.

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 3:59:57 PM   
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I have a question:

How come this caused such a firestorm as being racist, when the original didn't get anywhere close to the same reaction as being sexist? I feel like more women looked at the original video and smirked and said "That's kinda true" and took it in good humor. I think the difference here may be that they can live with those barbs, but with this video they feel like they are accused of being racist. That's not true. I think people are hurt and angry when people who don't know them make such an accusation, and just the possibility of the possibility that they are being called racist can get a rise out of people.



I think part of it is that the original is just "look at the cute quirky shit you say" whereas this one is "look at the ignorant racist shit you say" and that's a bit deeper. I thought it was an awesome video though, and I'd totally make a "shit black girls say to white girls" video if I weren't totally lazy. Oh and my black ex roommates would touch my hair too just saying :P And then yell at me for wearing it in a ponytail every day because "girl if I had your hair...."

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 4:51:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		yea we know...but they are too stupid to know any better.

and then you wonder why people get offended

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I like to compare it a massage therapist who's been abusing steroids. They don't MEAN to hurt you, but, y'know...

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 5:45:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: masternoname

yea we know...but they are too stupid to know any better.

and then you wonder why people get offended

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I like to compare it a massage therapist who's been abusing steroids. They don't MEAN to hurt you, but, y'know...



Who said anything about being stupid? I used that analogy because if the person is not on the receiving end, they're less likely to understand the discomfort.

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 6:52:20 PM   
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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 8:42:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought is was funny but that`s hardly the point.


It was made to produce discomfort.

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 8:51:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		One thing that struck me, if this is to be taken as statement on race relations, is the seeming tendency of the young lady to equate plain old boorish behavior, with the sort of condescending racism she parodies. Sometimes, people aren't ignorant assholes because there is a race component, it's just because they are ignorant assholes.

And "ghetto." That's a word with a long and loaded history, but I wasn't aware it was now a racial slur. They come in all colors, and are pretty well integrated in my little part of the world. The word, in its new use, seems to be taking the place of "trailer trash," as I hear it used.

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 9:01:24 PM   
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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 9:07:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
One thing that struck me, if this is to be taken as statement on race relations, is the seeming tendency of the young lady to equate plain old boorish behavior, with the sort of condescending racism she parodies. Sometimes, people aren't ignorant assholes because there is a race component, it's just because they are ignorant assholes.

And "ghetto." That's a word with a long and loaded history, but I wasn't aware it was now a racial slur. They come in all colors, and are pretty well integrated in my little part of the world. The word, in its new use, seems to be taking the place of "trailer trash," as I hear it used.

Seems it can mean a variety of of things..
"Ghetto- word which rich white girls use to describe almost everything thats not clad with lilly polos and pearls.
"Look how ghetto I look!" Muffy said as she put on her gucci sunglasses."
"(adj.) jury-rigged, improvised, or home-made (usually with extremely cheap or sub-standard components), yet still deserving of an odd sense of respect from ghetto dwellers and non-ghetto dwellers alike"
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ghetto

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 9:24:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

That video was so ghetto!


And his mama cries.

Z snap and a neck snake.

Oooo girl, oh no you didn't.

chia* (the pet)


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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 9:27:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		It requires a bit of sophistication to recognize whether a comment or word is meant to cause insult or if it`s just a figure of speech.

A group of elderly Jewish men can call each other old Jews but I wouldn`t recommend that just anyone use that term.

Same with the n-word or any of it`s variants.I have no sympathy for whites who feel offended about not being able to also use that word.

If it needs to be explained why,get a life.At the very least tho,subjects like these should be avoided.


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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 9:31:41 PM   
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I don't think ghetto has taken the place of
trailer trash. The insult is more or less the
same but they aren't interchangeable.
Trailer trash is reserved for white people ,
ghetto is reserved for black people.
Of course there are people who aren't
white who live in trailer parks and ghettos
which have been around in all sorts of
places for a longtime aren't just places
where black people have lived.
Both are class insults but ghetto has the
added sting of some idiot white people
assuming pretty much all black people
live in ghettos. And just because black
people might use the word ironically or
with humor or as a putdown doesn't mean
they like white people saying it
I think Dom Corleone said something about
some things stay within the family.
Gay people can joke with and use insults
towards other gay people that if a straight
person used would be offensive. This is true
of all groups.
And, yes some of the behavior parodied in
the video could be called boorish.
No doubt people who habitually say
ignorant things like what was said in
the video, most likely say all sorts
of ignorant things. But a lot of boorish
behavior comes from self absorbed
cluelessness instead of maliciousness.
And I think the video was parodying
cluelessness more than deliberate malice.

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 9:40:36 PM   
Winterapple


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Status: offline 		A few years ago the phrase 'That's so gay' was bandied
about as a putdown for all sorts of things.
That wealthy trailer trash girl Paris Hilton
was fond of it.
Many gay people were offended. There was even a
PSA about it. Words have meanings,
words hurt, think about what you're saying
etc.
It would seem obvious that some things are
just rude but the obvious is lost on some
people.


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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 9:59:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Winterapple

FR
And just because black
people might use the word ironically or
with humor or as a putdown doesn't mean
they like white people saying it


No, if something is offensive, it should be offensive regardless of whos saying it ... It shouldnt matter the color of the persons skin saying it... Either its offensive or it isn't... Wither they "like" me saying it or not is of no consequence. I do my best to not be offensive. I don't find the video funny. It doesn't parody what she intends. It highlights how far we have come to be "politically correct" in the face of those who are easily offended...

Frankly the Jews have gone through some pretty nasty shit, but rarely do I see anyone who's Jewish... go anywhere near the lengths of other races that have had suffrage in their history... Maybe its because its been a systematic degradation as a whole for over 5 thousand years.....but instead of getting pissed off they turned it around....*shrugs*


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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 10:02:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Winterapple

ghetto is reserved for black people.



Since when, exactly? It first described the neighborhoods of the Jews, then any low income ethnic enclave (typically immigrants, as used in the States), and now encompasses pretty much any low income neighborhood you'd rather not be out in.

Now, "hood" you might have a point.

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 10:11:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		When was the last time ghetto was used that way?

Two generations ago?

A fag has also meant a cigarette and a bundle of sticks at one point in history.


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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 10:27:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well dear O.P....the title of your thread which includes the word (s**t) certainly comes off as sounding very racist to me! As to reference to any original, I'd never heard nor seen these videos before, so I couldn't speak for them.

I only know that I lasted a very short period of time in watching the video. I don't find racial putdowns funny on a video because quite frankly, I don't find them funny
in real life. On any given day, you can hear racial slurs the kids yell from street corners at each other on their way home from school. Armed police officers are pulling extra duty by standing inside the doors of grocery stores in lower income parts of the city to discourage fighting between different racial and ethnic young adults. And adults are finger-pointing and cursing under their breath.


I don't care if your skin is blue, or purple, and if you were born on a mountain, on in a cave. People are people to me. And we're all part of the grand scope of a very great human family!

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 10:34:42 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		Used what way, Owner59? "Any low income neighborhood you'd rather not be out in?" The clerk at my local convenience store used it that way just the other day. He was telling me that he and his girl had enough money together to move out of the ghetto, and they were renting a place over by the high school. He's not black, and the area he was talking about reflects our local racial diversity pretty well.



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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 10:43:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
When was the last time ghetto was used that way?

Two generations ago?

A fag has also meant a cigarette and a bundle of sticks at one point in history.

so what? when referring to previous events it can and is still used when talking about that time in history..
"1. (n.) A quarantined section of the city where the Jews were forced to live during WWII Germany.
Jimmy jumped over giant, gelatinous jiggas in his Jewish ghetto."

"1)Area in which the nazis contained the jews prior to being taken to concentration camps (this definition is rarely used in daily discussion)
1) Hitler created ghettos in WWII Germany.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ghetto

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/8/2012 10:49:07 PM   
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Well dear O.P....the title of your thread which includes the word (s**t) certainly comes off as sounding very racist to me! As to reference to any original, I'd never heard nor seen these videos before, so I couldn't speak for them.

I only know that I lasted a very short period of time in watching the video. I don't find racial putdowns funny on a video because quite frankly, I don't find them funny
in real life. On any given day, you can hear racial slurs the kids yell from street corners at each other on their way home from school. Armed police officers are pulling extra duty by standing inside the doors of grocery stores in lower income parts of the city to discourage fighting between different racial and ethnic young adults. And adults are finger-pointing and cursing under their breath.

I don't care if your skin is blue, or purple, and if you were born on a mountain, on in a cave. People are people to me. And we're all part of the grand scope of a very great human family!

Well,.. it was the title used by the youtube poster and this is what she says under it (from Youtube)-
"Uploaded by chescaleigh on Jan 4, 2012"
Click to tweet http://clicktotweet.com/WV12B
Now, before you get all upset and call me a racist, This is a parody of this video "Shit Girls Say"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-yLGIH7W9Y

if you're STILL upset, please read one of these articles to understand what this video is really about.

BET
http://www.bet.com/news/national/2012/01/05/commentary-the-controversy-of-s-w...

Colorlines
http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/01/sht_white_girls_say_to_black_girls_vir...

MSNBC
http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/06/10004774-s-white-girls-say-to...

Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/franchesca-ramsey/shit-girls-say_b_1184130.html

MTV ACT
http://act.mtv.com/posts/interview-creator-of-shit-white-girls-say-to-black-g...

Village Voice article
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/01/franchesca_ramsey.php


Can I share this on Facebook?
UM. YES!

Written & Edited by
http://youtube.com/chescaleigh

Filmed & Directed by
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Let's keep in touch!
http://blog.franchesca.net
http://twitter.com/chescaleigh
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