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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 6:59:08 AM   
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I didn't find it especially funny or racist.  I think a lot of people end up hearing silly things from people of other cultures.  What is funny is that a lot of things she said are kind of universal, if you change a few words.  For example:
"My parents hate Chinks.  Wait, is that racist?"
"He's cute for an Asian guy."
"Hey, do you know a Jim Lee? He just requested me.  I dunno, he's Korean."
and covering similar topics
"So, people make weave out of Asian hair, right?"
"I don't know what I did to my computer, can you fix it?"




I agree. Although, as I posted earlier, it DID make me check myself to see if I was The White Chick she was making a parody of.

And I think that was the point of the video (or at least, that's what *I* got out of it).

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 8:04:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is it racist if I am trying to tell someone about something Lisa did at a party, and Lisa was the tallest black chick there, so when they say "Who is Lisa?" I reply the tall black chick?

If Lisa is trying to tell someone what I did at the same party, and they say "Which chick was she?" and Lisa says the fat redhead, is she hating on fat folks?

I say no to both.  I think that, sometimes, if we seek offense, we find it.  A parent brought me a gift card the last day of school, before the break.  He could not recall my name, and was asking another lady "Who is the lady that works the check-out table?".  When she said describe her, he was literally embarrassed and said well, she has red hair, looking down.  She named another redheaded worker, and he asked if that lady was, umm,  errr,  turn red, look pityful, is that lady larger?

After the worker quit laughing, she said oh you mean our fat grouchylunchlady?  He nearly died!  She told him to not worry, I call my self that.  He would die if he knew she told me about this.  I won't tell him, but I really wanna say fat is just an adjective yanno.

Anyhow, this may be totally unrelated, but, blame the weed is all I can say.

Just because someone takes offense, does not mean offense was intended.  And, just like my story says, sometimes, trying to avoid being offensive, we just make our selves look silly.

Must my 2 cents, your mileage may vary.

BTW, Lisa and I rocked dancing together...that, folks, is the rest of the story!




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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 8:14:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its not racist when its used as an adjective. Its racist when its used to demean.

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 8:19:31 AM   
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Thank you for the links, tj. I know you meant well by posting them. (Smiles)
However after Spirited Radiance broke down some of their contents, I'm afraid I won't be visiting them.

There are certain things I just don't find funny. And if I don't, then I don't expose myself to them. (and NO, not THAT kind of exposure, people! Ha!) It's my choice not to...for whatever reason.



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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 8:19:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree 100% Tazzy.  I just think sometimes the line is blurry.

Changing my first story to describe something Lisa or I did, that is not so fun, but using the same adjectives, does that change anything?

"That tall black chick really pissed me off!"

"That fat redhead ate all the fucking shrimp!"

Still just adjectives....but offensive to someone I would imagine.


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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 8:55:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		"This video is not about racism, nor is it racist. This video is about cultural insensitivity and is based on things that have been said to me. It is not about all white girls or all white people. It is about SOME white people that have said inappropriate things. Highlighting ignorance is not racist. I'm sorry you're unable to see that."

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 9:40:49 AM   
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On top of that, I'll have my people declared a suspect class and sue you for violating our civil rights by using one of "OUR words".



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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 9:49:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Racism IS a form of cultural insensitivity! It is pointing the finger unfavorably (whether for humorous purposes or not) at a certain race/ethnicity of people.
The number of people...SOME or 1... is totally irrelevant. As long as it has the power of being insensitive toward someone, I deem it racist.

Please note...the title is not "s**t girls say to girls," rather it's "s**t WHITE girls say to BLACK girls."

And highlighting ignorance concerning specific people in this manner IS quite racist!



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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 10:08:12 AM   
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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 10:10:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DivineDemise

I have actually heard white girls saying all of that. Its pretty sad really.


I have heard Italian girls saying all that.

I have had black girls play with my long red hair.

I have had italian girls play with my long red hair.

I have had native american girls play with my long red hair.

I have had gay men play with my long red hair.

I have had a Jewish man pull my long red hair.

I have had black women ask me.. How do white girls handle this....

Do I find that video offensive? No. I find it rather stupid and playing off of stereotypes that people assume they understand.

There isnt a single thing on that video that I have not heard, or seen, a woman of another race say or do.

But to say it ONLY about white women.... and most of you are accepting of that.


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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 3:00:06 PM   
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The excommunication was ipso facto, according to the Church.


Your response was a bit snarky considering how the Catholic Church sat around with it's thumb up it's ass don't you think?

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 5:09:30 PM   
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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 5:35:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: DivineDemise

I have actually heard white girls saying all of that. Its pretty sad really.


I have heard Italian girls saying all that.

I have had black girls play with my long red hair.

I have had italian girls play with my long red hair.

I have had native american girls play with my long red hair.

I have had gay men play with my long red hair.

I have had a Jewish man pull my long red hair.

I have had black women ask me.. How do white girls handle this....

Do I find that video offensive? No. I find it rather stupid and playing off of stereotypes that people assume they understand.

There isnt a single thing on that video that I have not heard, or seen, a woman of another race say or do.

But to say it ONLY about white women.... and most of you are accepting of that.



I agree.  Sadly, all too often people will jump on the "oh yes, that black person is right about racism," for fear of being called a racist, especially when those people are white.  I have had all kinds of people want to touch my hair (which is thick, corse, wavy and reaches my butt).

Cultural insensitivity?  C'mon, is that the new PC way of saying "racist?"  As you said Tazzy, it is racist when used to demean, not when used as an adjective.  Personally, I follow Dr. King's words and just a person by their character, not the color of their skin.  If you want to constantly seek racism (and the OP regularly posts almost exclusively about the topic), you can find it.  I don't ignore blatent racism, but I'm also not afraid to tell someone who is "not white" (i.e. Hispanic, Black, Asian, etc.) that their comments are also racist.

The idea of "taking back a word" is ridiculous.  As Michael pointed out, "ghetto" is far from a "Black" thing, although so many Black people seem to think it is exclusive to their lives.

Moving forward and obliterating racism, which does exist, is never going to happen when you want to see it around every corner.  When Black people stop thinking it is ok to stereotype white people (which the girl in the video most definately did), she can bemoan, or "parody" things that she finds "racist" against her. 

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 9:12:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

O.k., so apparently this video is causing a LOT of controversy :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylPUzxpIBe0

Thoughts?


And all the black chics are blonde.

Bigger question is....why are they all trying so hard to be white?

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 10:11:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: DivineDemise

I have actually heard white girls saying all of that. Its pretty sad really.


I have heard Italian girls saying all that.

I have had black girls play with my long red hair.

I have had italian girls play with my long red hair.

I have had native american girls play with my long red hair.

I have had gay men play with my long red hair.

I have had a Jewish man pull my long red hair.

I have had black women ask me.. How do white girls handle this....

Do I find that video offensive? No. I find it rather stupid and playing off of stereotypes that people assume they understand.

There isnt a single thing on that video that I have not heard, or seen, a woman of another race say or do.

But to say it ONLY about white women.... and most of you are accepting of that.



Sounds like you have very distinctive hair! But I think you're missing the point:

Imagine that you are a black girl growing up in an all white area, and therefore all your friends are white. They feel comfortable with you, and you're one of the few black people they know so they engage in conversations and ask you questions that they might not have the opportunity or the courage to ask other black girls, about respective differences. They're not trying to be racist, but some things they want to know may be politically incorrect, but since you are friends they don't entertain the thought that it might come out a bit wrong. Imagine that goes on for 20+ years. That's a lot of time for the same questions to come up over and over again. If you made a Youtube video about all the race-based questions and phrases said to you over the years, I'm willing to bet it would sound a lot like the OP.

No one's accused of being racist! I must have typed this phrase like a billion times, so from now on I'll just abbreviate it with the following smiley: So from now on "No one's accusing anyone of being a racist!" =

No one is saying this only happens to black women, and never happens to people of other races. But since she isn't such a person, she can only relay HER experiences. And this doesn't happen just "Because that's what white people do." This happens because that's what majorities do to minorities. I happens to whites living in Africa. That's their reality. This is hers.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
Cultural insensitivity?  C'mon, is that the new PC way of saying "racist?"  . 


On to this silliness concentrate. No, these two things are different, and you'll need to grasp that basic concept first. It's like the difference between someone injuring you out of clumsiness, and someone injuring you out of hatred. If someone is carrying an unwieldy heavy box and accidentally drop it on your foot would you call that person an assailant? See, that's the difference.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady If you want to constantly seek racism (and the OP regularly posts almost exclusively about the topic), you can find it.


I was becoming bored with the conversation to be honest, but this right here is what tempted me to respond again. I almost exclusively talk about race? Really now? Well it just so happens that one can look back and see the last 100 posts that a person has posted here on the Collarme message boards. Do so, and show me how many of the threads I've started are about racism. I mostly ghost the boards in general, content to read and observe quietly, and mostly post on the politics and religion board, but what you say is false, and easily verifiable. Also I'd like to add: ! !

Argh now I have energy again! I was going to go to bed early, but I'm now I'm going to burn off this energy playing Skyrim. Countless zombies and dragons are now going to die because of you people, I hope you can live with that on your conscience!

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 10:14:03 PM   
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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 10:23:15 PM   
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No one is saying this only happens to black women, and never happens to people of other races. But since she isn't such a person, she can only relay HER experiences. And this doesn't happen just "Because that's what white people do." This happens because that's what majorities do to minorities. I happens to whites living in Africa. That's their reality. This is hers.


No, hun, I do get the point.

What you are missing is that this is what white women say to black women...

There is a whole other list of what black women say to white women...

Another list of what asian women say

What hispanic women say

My point is that by the women on the video saying...

"This is what white women say" is in error because its the same thing women say to each other, regardless of race.

If your girlfriend gets a great hairdo... dont you touch it, look at it, inspect it, maybe even envy it? I do... and it doesnt matter what race.

If that had been titled...

What dumb women say to other women

I could have been all behind it. Instead, the person made race the highlight. As soon as you read the title, you expect it to be filled with all sorts of pre-programmed responses.

When the reality is, it can be from any woman of any race towards any woman of any race.

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 10:35:01 PM   
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Tazzy. Dear. the whole point is that these women are NOT dumb, (or ) they just don't know better. The original "Shit girls say" video would have been completely pointless if it included shit guys say too. If a white woman who is a minority in an area wants to post a list of things she's heard from black girls along the same lines then she should go for it! Why should it fall on Francesa Leigh (the creator of the "Shit white girls say" video) to provide a perspective that she has no personal experience in?

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/9/2012 10:54:35 PM   
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"8 by 10 colored glossy pictures with the circles and arrows, and a description on the back of each one" just aren't enough proof for some people.

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RE: "Shit white girls say to black girls" - 1/10/2012 6:34:45 AM   
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DaddySatyr: LMAO now you're just trolling. I refuse to believe you are that stupid

Tazzy. Dear. the whole point is that these women are NOT dumb, (or ) they just don't know better. The original "Shit girls say" video would have been completely pointless if it included shit guys say too. If a white woman who is a minority in an area wants to post a list of things she's heard from black girls along the same lines then she should go for it! Why should it fall on Francesa Leigh (the creator of the "Shit white girls say" video) to provide a perspective that she has no personal experience in?


So you agree and encourage the point she is making?

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