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The Object of Desire - 1/8/2012 8:24:41 PM   
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As a companion to the courtship discussion, let us ponder the art of seduction. Is it a lost art? Do we need to bother? Will the men even notice?

Part of female dominance is sexual aggression, but that doesn't mean it needs to be obvious, or gracelss.

So, what do you men like to see and experience?



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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/8/2012 9:24:46 PM   
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And the seduction goes BOTH ways

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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/8/2012 9:29:40 PM   
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Ideally!

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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/8/2012 10:20:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

As a companion to the courtship discussion, let us ponder the art of seduction. Is it a lost art? Do we need to bother? Will the men even notice?

Part of female dominance is sexual aggression, but that doesn't mean it needs to be obvious, or gracelss.

So, what do you men like to see and experience?




Is it a lost art? To many, yes. In this age of expecting sex if a woman allows a guy to take her to a movie or buy a McBurger...

Seduction can be delicious, subtle, graceful, and for the right person it's no bother. A challenge. Art work.

Will the men even notice? Mine was unaware of what I was doing. He is thrilled over his feelings and sometimes very confused, but I am enjoying the hunt. Some may ask why I continue to seduce him when I already own him...the reason is...that I want to own more and more of him, and I want him to revel in feeling owned. Hunted. Loved. Valuable.

This is much more fun than skipping the seduction and just buying him a hamburger... He is more to me than just a walking dildo, and how I treat him teaches him this emotionally if not mentally.

Being the hunter keeps me on my toes, as I keep my eyes on my quarry and my plans for him. I seduce him in baby steps within our kink as well, so that he learns to crave what I enjoy and is not overwhelmed in a bad way.

It will be fun to see what guys have to say about being seduced...will they keep their posts limited to groin grinding experiences, or include emotional seduction.


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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 3:27:09 AM   
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   It is a rare enough thing that it catches a man by surprise. Even when he is already thinking about the lady, himself. This from experience. This makes me think the best approach to take is probably one that is simple, direct, low pressure and gives the opportunity for some face time.

Example. If a lady were to (steel herself, and then) walk up and ask, "Would you like to meet me for coffee?" In this case, she would be asking for just one word. And that, out of a field of two. Most guys can pick the right word, even though they are ...surprised. Those other poor bastards, well, what can you do? Once you have, "Yes!", then there is a conversation revolving around when and where and the trading of cell numbers so whoever is late can be called. That would work for me, even though I am completely stupid... ...for at least the first ten minutes of my first conversation with a pretty lady.


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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 4:26:02 AM   
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I am not sure if the art is lost. I think it is greatly relaxed especially as we get older.

Now do I like being seduced? Oh definitely! I like the flirty courting to the sexual innuendos all the way to the "Come hither". Its more than just words, its how you say the words, your body movements, your voice inflections. I sort of like not exactly knowing......is she just flirting? Is she just teasing me? Or is she really serious.

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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 9:43:44 AM   
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As a companion to the courtship discussion, let us ponder the art of seduction. Is it a lost art?



Seduction as an art, takes a lot of study and practice. It is not intuitive.

I would not say it is a lost art. Rather, it is an art that is (and always has been) understudied and under practiced.


quote:

Part of female dominance is sexual aggression, but that doesn't mean it needs to be obvious, or gracelss.


Indeed, Sexual Agression does not need to be obvious, or graceless! LOL

Regardless of sex, it is practiced, differently by different people. Again, I suspect a correlation between skill and practice.

quote:

what do you men like to see and experience?


Myself, I am an absolute sucker for the flirty, come on, chase me type approach. But so are most men. LOL The art is to persuade this type of Lady to seduce, me! ROFL ...

Honestly though, in my life, i have experienced so many different approaches; anywhere from meeting a Lady and immediately being taken home ... to chasing her all over god's green earth ... that

the most refreshing is when she simply suggests spending the night together, after a few hours together. This IMO is the most successful approach!

And then She can be as sexually aggressive as She desires! Yes, i am easy, too!


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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 9:51:59 AM   
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FrostedFlake, here is an example of what can happen: you've chatted with a nice man on the other side on and off for ages, he's a grown up person with a kid and all, so has been around the block. You write and say, "How about coffee?" His response:' "Are you asking me out??"

Srsly.

It is true that I do not do well with the passive, or the passive-aggressive. You can also imagine that my response was less than charming.

Anyway.

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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 11:12:34 AM   
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As there has been much discussion of Female courting and seduction here, and on the compaion thread

I thought it appropriate to share the Seductress style that I have found most powerful and overwhelming.

That is when it is intensely personalized, focused on me and consistently applied.

Yes, it come's wrapped in charm and flirting. But it is not idle flirting. It is focused and pointed toward what makes you tick. Your actions, reactions and your inner being.

They make you feel unique, and special; even when they may really have several ....

There were several Ladies I have known like this over the years. And when they turn their sites on a man, they can crawl right under your skin.









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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 12:03:56 PM   
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I have been sitting here for some time, not sure where to go with this, where to start, which to say and I still don't know. lol For me it goes back... way back into childhood. Not seduction(!), but power, control, influence and attitude. I ran the kindergarten class, including the teacher as her pet and recess was my court. How did I manage that? Well, I wasn't the prettiest little girl... but I was the smallest and I was smart. There was power in that, trust me. lol I watched... I learned and then I worked it and I never changed, though these days I do things a bit differently. I am now watching my grand daughter do the same thing. I am laughing my ass off knowing where this is going, teaching her I am queen bitch for which she frowns quite often and mama is about to cry not knowing what to do with her little diva.

My mother could walk into a room and captivate it. Later on... I did too. We weren't the most beautiful and we were by far not the sexiest. We just knew and I think instinctively, how to capture the attention and retain it. We were the girl next door that kicked your ass in a manner of speaking. Give us five minutes and we could have you doing whatever it was we wanted. If we couldn't... there was another standing close that we turned to. There was always back up.

It wasn't something we thought about until later in life... we just knew how to get attention and actually were very subtle about it. I think that was the art of it. Most thought they were leading us and we actually had them worked from moment one and it seemed to come natural. We added things as we went and learned in life. There was nothing slut about us... we could dress in just about anything and you should have seen some of what I wore in public appearances and speeches and I even tested that once wearing the worst clothing I could design and I walked up and down the Colorado River during spring break and met every person on that strip. Our camp site became the most popular with everyone coming to see Lockit. My friends couldn't believe what I had done and how so many responded. You couldn't go on looks... you had to have something to back it up with. That was part of the retaining of those we... influenced. lol

It wasn't seduction in the manner one would see seduction as. It was control and power we sought. Did we seduce? Yes... but mostly from the minds of those we came into contact with. We didn't always use sexual appeal... or come on's, though flirting was a natural for us, that typically came in when we had selected the one we wanted to capture. We just knew how to walk into a room... how to capture the attention and then worked it.

I once had a shy friend that was my friend from the age of fourteen. No matter what I told her, she just wasn't catching on and didn't see the value of what I did. She didn't want the attention. For about two years I got caught up in my career and hadn't been out with her or seen her much. Finally we went out. She had bloomed! It took some getting used to. I had been unseated! lol By the end of the night where I sat back and played her straight man... I told her... you became me. You're good! She was having so much fun doing all I had done and she had observed for years. (I'm not going to share how we did it. I want to see some answers before I post anything of that nature.)

While it may come natural to some... it can be learned.

I don't work the same way now and I can explain a little bit later... but man, I had a great run! lol Is it seduction? Or... is it attitude and the seeking of control or all the above?


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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 1:00:08 PM   
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Hmm.. I could (and probably will) theorize about seduction as a concept and practice. But in this case, I have one example in mind, which was the best I've experienced on a date. I hesitate to do this because I don't want it to come off like a dime store novel, but it would be much easier to tell this story, then to spend pages of boring analysis and supposition. I should also disclose that this happened on a totally vanilla date. Like many, I haven't been in the lifestyle all of my life, and neither am I incapable of dating vanilla, I just strongly prefer it to be kinkier. So even though this was on a vanilla date, I hope it still has some general connotation here.

BTW, guys if you bother to read this beware, there is NONE to very little wankable material contained within.

I was having the first real date with a girl who I had liked, but only knew sporadically through friends and a few chance meetings. Finally, I did ask her out for coffee, and that went well, so this was our first real sit down for dinner date. I chose a pretty upscale restaurant that required that we dress, and that was interesting because we had only seen each other in casual clothes, so it was a change of pace to have me in my suit and her a sleeveless dress. I have to gratuitously add here that she looked absolutely beautiful in that dress! OK, so we ate, but we talked a very long time after dinner. In fact the waitresses wee blowing out the table candles and collecting the place settings when we finally did leave. she was a very intense person who always seemed to be genuinely interested in what you were saying, and I liked being witty and making her laugh. But it was more than that! We really did connect and it was one of those times when you realize that talking to another human being can be so much more entertaining and exciting than watching a movie or going to an event. We were performers for each other, and audience for one another. I think you have to experience those kind of moments to know what I mean.

So we left the restaurant and my car was maybe 1/8th of a mile away in a parking structure, but it was a nice evening and we were in a mixed-use urban neighborhood full of fountains trees and small gardens mixed between the downtown buildings. So we continued talking and laughing as we strolled along when I realized that we could cut off half a block or so if we went through the courtyard of this older looking building (it might have been a Christan Science building). Anyway, the attached courtyard spanned the block, but had these really cool looking arched pillars supporting a trellis roof or pergola.

So, up to now, we'd been talking pleasantly, but when we walked into this courtyard she gave me a long evaluative look and walked across and away just beyond we're the first pillar was and before I could follow she put her index finger up against her lips in a shush. She smiled, lingered, and disappeared behind the pillar so that it was now between us and emerged, still shushing on the other side. She began walking and so I just matched her stride, not talking (probably for the first time that night) just walking slowly and gazing at each other from about 2feet away. As the next pillar in the row came between us, she lingered briefly on one side as if she didn't want to take her eyes off of me, then emerged on the other side, smiling. There must have been 8 to 10 pillars in the row an we just kept walking, like mirrors to the other, looking into each other's eyes, smiling, slowly, but not speaking. Disappearing for a moment, and then emerging with a smile finding each other's eyes again. When you can't speak, your eyes do all the talking, and she looked so alluring and sexy staring back at me like that, never breaking her gaze. I felt like my eyes were burning holes into her with my emotion.

So, as we were moving towards the end of the courtyard, at the 7th or 8th pillar, I had an impulse. When we disappeared behind the pillar, I took two or three quick, but silent steps. When she came around the pillar I had disappeared, she stopped walking and almost turned, when I put my hand lightly in the small of her back, standing right beside her on her other side. She turned around and looked up into my eyes and smiled the most beautiful smile I have ever seen.

And of course, I don't really have to tell you what happened next.

That is without a doubt, my best experience being seduced. It was really spur of the moment. She could not have known where I would park, or what route we would take walking back. It must have just come into her head when we walked into the courtyard. But that was a one time thing, and it felt like I was in a movie or something. It was just perfect timing and the perfect environment for it to happen as it did. It was simple, it didn't cost any money, it wasn't pre-planned.

I assure you, the art is not dead. :-)

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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 1:15:31 PM   
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Thank you Bootyboy! That was beautiful! A good mix of the power/enhancement/enjoyment of both!



What does a hunter do? They know their prey. They practice, find the best time, the best place, the best weapon and what they like best in the hunt and prey.

What does a huntress do? She knows her prey. She practices, finds her timing, her best place and weapon and fine tunes what she likes best in the hunt and in the prey. Her weapon is all of who she is and what she is. Find it and you will find those that respond best to it.


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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 1:56:31 PM   
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If we are talking about seducing a submissive man, for me it's not about "arousing him" (left purposely ambiguous because it varies)

It's about showing him how to arouse me, and rewarding him for that.

I don't think submissive men necessarily want to be pursued traditionally, they have a desire to please or be an object of desire. I know it sounds complicated but that's how it at least sorts itself out in my head.

I think from as far back as I can remember, I've always approached seducing men in a way that makes it clear that it's about my pleasure and he's pleasurable to me, and less traditional, "I think you're hot" or "I like you," it's "You make me feel hot" and "I like the way I feel around you." It's still about both people but in a subtle way, even when it's about him, it's about me first.

Not that I am SO selfish but...well, it's how I am wired.

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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 2:30:21 PM   
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But the bottom line, just as it is with the subject of courting, is how good is one at dealing with rejection?

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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 2:39:46 PM   
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There are many ways of rejection and looking at rejection, the way I see it. I can see a man turning me down as rejection.. the hurtful kind or I can see it as a choice and not hurtful. It can depend on where I am in life.

Whether you can handle rejection or not... its a matter of how you respond/react and where you take it personally afterwords. You may have to learn how not to hurt yourself in it even if they were hurtful in how they did it.


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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 3:15:00 PM   
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quote:

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It's about showing him how to arouse me, and rewarding him for that ...



quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

I don't think submissive men necessarily want to be pursued traditionally, they have a desire to please or be an object of desire. I know it sounds complicated but that's how it at least sorts itself out in my head.

It's still about both people but in a subtle way, even when it's about him, it's about me first.



I feel I understand this, because it is often the MOST COMFORTABLE scenario for me, personally.

But isn't it also true, the most comfortable scenario for me, is not always the most comfortable scenario for Her?

If it isn't, then I have to adapt and overcome, too.

Then once I start adapting to different scenarios to please ... i become vulnerable to those different styles, too.

Yes, it is confusing!

And there is growth implied ...



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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 3:16:22 PM   
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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 3:19:03 PM   
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But the bottom line, just as it is with the subject of courting, is how good is one at dealing with rejection?



If I had a penny ... for every rejection ... my bottom line would be quite large!

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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 3:23:33 PM   
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I am ghastly with rejection, in spite of all the practice.

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RE: The Object of Desire - 1/9/2012 3:50:07 PM   
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So Peon is actually making a valid point then ...

There is something to ones ability to handle rejection?

I ask myself, have I ever been hurt by rejection?

Sometimes ... yes ... often ... no, not really.

Is the pain of rejection is related to the value placed on the person doing the rejecting?

If I hold Her (him) in high esteem ... it hurts way more?



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