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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/12/2012 10:28:47 PM   
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obviously not. if i did then it wouldn't have expressed what i wanted say. i think he is very much mistaken. like i said before, if he had not been a cop, he would be up in front of a judge posting bail, not "under investigation."
cops don't get a bye, if anything they must be held to an even higher standard than civilians.



Actually it was. Who are you to determine if someone's belief is flawed? Again, you resort to attacks when none are called for.

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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/12/2012 10:30:03 PM   
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why? he said as much to me. he can say outright that i am wrong, but i can't say i believe he is?

a strange double standard around here.



You see that cute little report button beneath the post? If you feel they are attacking you personally, then use it. But dont resort to it yourself.

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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/12/2012 10:38:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		you have a really strange concept of what constitutes an attack. and since you're not my mother, i'll thank you to refrain from lecturing me on how to post. if you think i am attacking somebody then feel free to use that little report button yourself.

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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/12/2012 10:43:35 PM   
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you have a really strange concept of what constitutes an attack. and since you're not my mother, i'll thank you to refrain from lecturing me on how to post. if you think i am attacking somebody then feel free to use that little report button yourself.


You claim her opinion is wrong, and only state your opinion as fact. In her statements, she did nothing to attack you. Just merely pointed out the actual FACTS about the case. What you were doing was a little rude.


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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/12/2012 10:52:59 PM   
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What you were doing was a little rude.
i believe i already covered this.

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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/12/2012 11:34:43 PM   
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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/12/2012 11:39:10 PM   
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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/13/2012 3:20:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Germain Green is a good man. Many folks would just do what the cop said.The cop had no business even talking to him, much less threatening arrest. He had no probable cause.

The real problem here is Hiring/Firing policies. It is almost impossible to get rid of a bad cop. That is what should change. Nationwide.


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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/13/2012 4:50:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do hate these funny terminologies i.e. special needs, african american, caucasian,. Obviously they meen the women is mentally ill in some way or another. I have special needs ( I like to fuck). African american (either you are african or american) Check your passport!!!. Caucasian (WTF should i be named after some mountains 2000 miles from me which i only have seen flying on holiday in the far east.

With that said: A policeofficer hitting a person in the face like that in the video should never have had his badge first place. It is clearly a violent assault on that person irespective on what psykiatric diagnose she might have or not have. A disgrace to the policeforce.

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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/13/2012 3:51:07 PM   
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There's this real simple thing police have tried over here yours might want to try: don't escalate. If you've got a clear and immediate threat of physical violence, resolve it with the minimum amount of force that will get the job done. Emphasis on clear and immediate. Work to lower the conflict intensity, rather than raising it. Most people aren't bad apples, they're just kiwis in the wrong bin. Recognizing that allows you to fight crime and maintain order with fewer police, less disturbance and less hardening of criminals. It's not hard to avoid escalating, from what I can see... just start by not striking people for giggles.

If you want to fight criminals, rather than crime, you need at least several times as many police officers as criminals. That doesn't seem to be the case, and it doesn't even seem viable. More to the point, I don't hear anyone calling for increased public spending on general principle, so doing a better job with fewer people strikes me as being preferable. The main factors in crime, relapse and hardening are well studied and well known. You've got them all down pat, feeding money and effort into all the factors increasing crime, increasing relapse rates and hardening the criminal element. The preferred level of pain may not have been reached, but it will get there. That's proven.

Police might give fighting crime a try, and fighting it, rather than cultivating it, despite the job security issue.

In the longer run, it's a heck of a lot more rewarding.

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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/13/2012 4:42:00 PM   
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Resisting arrest, arguing with a police officer, history of assault, being accused of assaulting another person.....



In the video I watched, she was not resisting arrest. If the other three things are true, they still don't mean the cops are allowed to punch, errr....I mean, elbow her in the face. Your history, what you are accused of and "arguing" with a cop don't mean you are guilty of anything NOW or that you EVER deserve police brutality, esp. when already restrained. Period.

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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/13/2012 4:59:42 PM   
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http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Bus-Confrontation-Caught-on-Video-137074908.html

When Jermaine Green and his fiancee Violet Roberts got on a Metro bus in Bellflower Monday night, they took notice of another passenger.

"The lady got on the bus with a stroller full of pillows, she was very polite, said hello to everyone and sat down," Green said.

At the next stop, two LA County sheriff's deputies, one male and one female, boarded the bus and called the passenger by name.

"They said get off the bus. She then started cursing at (the female deputy). You could tell she had special needs. After that they grab her, she curses him out, calls him a big shot, next thing you know he gives her a big shot," Green said.

Green captured the incident with his cell phone's video camera.

"It was like they were tired of dealing with her so they didn't try to talk to her or anything," Roberts said.

"I couldn't believe it. He seen me taping. He looked up at the camera a few times, and he still hit her like that, and I can't believe he didn't try to diffuse the situation at all," Green said.

Green recently returned home from serving six years in the Army, including tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"In the Army, they gave us extensive training for rules of engagement. There's proper protocols and steps you take. This lady didn't do anything, she wasn't combative and he actually turned combative on her," Green said.

Green claims the deputies then tried to intimidate him when he refused to hand over his cell phone.

"He comes to me and says you can be under arrest if you don't give me that video," Green said.

Green said the deputy then asked if he had any warrants.

"I said no, I'm a veteran, I just came back, I have six years, I have no record, and he said 'We'll see about that.'"

Why didn't Green want to hand over this video to the deputies involved?

"I think they would try to cover it up. I think a lot of things get covered up and people need to come forward if they see something, report it because it can't be fixed unless it's brought to the public's attention," Green said.

A sheriff's department spokesman told NBCLA over the phone the department would not comment on this case and would not look at the videotape, but the spokesman said the department does investigate all use of force claims.


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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/13/2012 5:07:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pulling away, pushing forward, yelling and cussing in their faces... resisting arrest.

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Your history, what you are accused of and "arguing" with a cop don't mean you are guilty of anything NOW or that you EVER deserve police brutality, esp. when already restrained. Period.


So if someone has a history of murder, a cop shouldnt take that into consideration?

Of assault with a deadly weapon. ignore it?

She was not restrained, they were attempting to restrain her, which she kept trying to get out of.

Im typically one of the first to scream about brutality, but, in this case... its too close to call. If we could have heard what was being said....

The local station reported that the woman had been verbally abusive to other passengers.

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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/13/2012 5:08:59 PM   
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I still say there is more here we dont know.

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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/13/2012 7:14:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Pulling away, pushing forward, yelling and cussing in their faces... resisting arrest.

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Your history, what you are accused of and "arguing" with a cop don't mean you are guilty of anything NOW or that you EVER deserve police brutality, esp. when already restrained. Period.


So if someone has a history of murder, a cop shouldnt take that into consideration?

Of assault with a deadly weapon. ignore it?

She was not restrained, they were attempting to restrain her, which she kept trying to get out of.

Im typically one of the first to scream about brutality, but, in this case... its too close to call. If we could have heard what was being said....

The local station reported that the woman had been verbally abusive to other passengers.

I gotta agree with tazzy on this one.

In fact, I might go a little further.

When the woman attempted to push past the cop ... she was engaging in assault in addition to resisting arrest.  It appears to me that his blow was likely the minimum force necessary to control the situation. 

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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/13/2012 7:21:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Pulling away, pushing forward, yelling and cussing in their faces... resisting arrest.

quote:

Your history, what you are accused of and "arguing" with a cop don't mean you are guilty of anything NOW or that you EVER deserve police brutality, esp. when already restrained. Period.


So if someone has a history of murder, a cop shouldnt take that into consideration?

Of assault with a deadly weapon. ignore it?

She was not restrained, they were attempting to restrain her, which she kept trying to get out of.

Im typically one of the first to scream about brutality, but, in this case... its too close to call. If we could have heard what was being said....

The local station reported that the woman had been verbally abusive to other passengers.

I gotta agree with tazzy on this one.

In fact, I might go a little further.

When the woman attempted to push past the cop ... she was engaging in assault in addition to resisting arrest.  It appears to me that his blow was likely the minimum force necessary to control the situation. 

Firm


I dunno, Firm. Maybe I'm too much of a "finesser". If they had to punch a short fat lady like that to try to get her under control, what would happen if they were that close to someone who knew what he was doing? Maybe their training just sucks that badly. I helped train a few and some of them are really that inept in a scrap.

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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/13/2012 7:22:54 PM   
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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/13/2012 7:45:02 PM   
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I dunno, Firm. Maybe I'm too much of a "finesser". If they had to punch a short fat lady like that to try to get her under control, what would happen if they were that close to someone who knew what he was doing? Maybe their training just sucks that badly. I helped train a few and some of them are really that inept in a scrap.

Could be.  As tazzy said ... we don't know.

But I will tell you, my experience with large, loud belligerent women is that they think they can get away with a lot of intimidation ... and they usually can.

The best way to prevent an "incident", is to take that 2 x 4 you were discussing in another thread ... and get their attention, PDQ, when they appear to be pushing the boundaries. She appeared to be doing so.  And she certainly seemed to be more "amenable" after the cop pushed back.  And I saw no blood or bruises, or cross-eyes on her after the fact.

Again, "I don't know", just talking about what we saw on the vid.

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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/13/2012 7:50:55 PM   
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I dunno, Firm. Maybe I'm too much of a "finesser". If they had to punch a short fat lady like that to try to get her under control, what would happen if they were that close to someone who knew what he was doing? Maybe their training just sucks that badly. I helped train a few and some of them are really that inept in a scrap.

Could be.  As tazzy said ... we don't know.

But I will tell you, my experience with large, loud belligerent women is that they think they can get away with a lot of intimidation ... and they usually can.

The best way to prevent an "incident", is to take that 2 x 4 you were discussing in another thread ... and get their attention, PDQ, when they appear to be pushing the boundaries. She appeared to be doing so.  And she certainly seemed to be more "amenable" after the cop pushed back.  And I saw no blood or bruises, or cross-eyes on her after the fact.

Again, "I don't know", just talking about what we saw on the vid.

Firm

The guys I taught would have done a better, MUCH more subtle job even though the pain level might have been an order of magnitude higher with no permanent injury.

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RE: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Woman In The Face On A... - 1/13/2012 8:06:04 PM   
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The guys I taught would have done a better, MUCH more subtle job even though the pain level might have been an order of magnitude higher with no permanent injury.

Yanno, Jack (none) Reacher likes to kill with the elbow ....

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