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ADomDoc -> A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 9:04:34 AM)
Well ... am sure this will tickle the pagans & wiccans ... & piss off plenty of others ... at least it might be educational. This link was sent to me by another Dom friend who is also here on Collarme. http://www.caw.org/articles/otherpeople.html

darq -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 9:12:47 AM)
Oh now thats cute! Yes, lets twist the Bible to suit Pagans ... Which version of the Bible is that exactly because I have never found that wording in any Bible I've ever read ... Whatever, typical ... I'm sure all the Pagans who read this will laugh their asses off over how they 'got one over on the ole Christians!' ... Thats fine. I'll be laughing that much harder when I'm in heaven and they're toasty in the hell they insist doesn't exist ... By the way, Christ died and rose again for everyone, even the "other people" ...

SirKenin -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 9:12:46 AM)
Too long for Me to read today, but as soon as I read about the Jehovah's Witnesses I just know it has to be good. They twist the Bible as much as the pagans do.

darq -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 9:14:38 AM)
Oh one more thing, Jehovah's Witnesses tend to annoy other Christians too ... I've been approached several times but I don't see any point in shocking, offending, insulting and ridiculing them ...

wytchywoman -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 9:18:32 AM)
I happen to be Wiccan. I don't think this misrepresentation of the Bible is a bit humorous. There's room in this world for accurate portrayals of a standard accepted version of the Bible rather than some cobbled up mess you're attempting to pass off as legitimate. Thanks so much for engendering even more ill will toward those of us who subscribe to an alternative spiritual belief. Edited to say this is in acutally in reply to the OP. I used quick reply when I first posted.

ArtCatDom -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 9:19:53 AM)
sighs It'd be a much better story if it weren't filled with Wicclet* self-righteousness & grandstanding, and filled with a complete misunderstanding of the Bible. This is nothing but a variation of a poorly told story plastered all over thousands of pagan sites and easily found in most pagan chat rooms. meow * EDIT: Yes Wicclet, not Wiccan.

Kindred2Evil -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 9:32:56 AM)
OOoooooh boy did I get a giggle out of that one! As for Wiccan's twisting the Bible, oh come on. We have our rotten eggs just like Christians do. I grew up in a Christian household and found out later on about paganism and Wiccans. It's a path that drew me. Don't knock mine, I won't knock yours. And I'm not laughing at "getting one over on the Christians" I just happen to have been amused by the whole damn thing. The thing is nobody knows what's going to happen when they die, where they will go etc etc etc. I just am amazed that Christians are so afraid. They worship their God out of fear. Be a good little robot or you'll go to hell. Some kind of loving, forgiving God you got there. Geezz.

LaTigresse -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 9:33:47 AM)
My personal opinion is that ALL versions of the bible we have available to us today are in some way distorted. After all, none of us have the complete copy exactly as it was written. Thru the centuries it has been interpreted thru countless languages each time with a difference assumption of what the previous person "really" meant. Any three people can pick up a current copy of a King James bible and come up with three different meanings for the same exact passage. If you throw into that all the normal human error and human faults of greed, power, fear, you are certainly going to get a complete potential for misrepresentation. Just look at some of the stories that are in the news currently. Was Mary really a whore or just threatening to some insecure men? Was Judas really a traitor or doing his master's bidding? Personally I cannot in good concious follow any of the current organized religiouns, HOWEVER, I will never EVER critisize someone that does. Their personal choices deserve respect, all I ever ask is that they respect mine equally and do not give me that whole attitude about "my religioun is better/more right/the only way verus yours". Because when someone acts like that it tells me they are just a hypocritical ass that cannot even practice what they preach. My personal faith is probably more along the lines of wiccan/pagan. Moreso, I do not have much respect for anyone that bashes another person/s faith just to create a stir, or for laughs. We are all entitled to our own belief system and to treat anyone like an idiot for believing differently only serves to make the opinionated one, AND their personal faith, look stupid

IronBear -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 9:34:28 AM)
Interesting story. I got that too on my own link from CAW. On a more contempory basis many of the Roman Catholic sacred places and even Saints were taken from the original Pagan communities. Lourdes and the Lady of Lourds is but one example of an ancient Pagan Healing place being Christianised. St Bridget (mostly associated with the Irish) is the Christianised version of the Goddess Bridgit or Bride.. Easter is a Pagan Holy Day. What is interesting, is many of the best High Priestesses I have had the pleasure to associate with over the past 37 years of being an Ordaned Pagan Priest, and who were/are Wiccan were originally good Roman Catholic girls brought upin the Convent system... Why they chose an alternative reason is immaterial byt they came into Paganism with a good working knowledge and experience of both ritual and the Goddess (Virgin Mary). Strangly enough amongst my closest friends over the decades have been Christian Priests including one of the deceased Roman Catholic Arch Bishops, a couple of Jesuits and several Liberal Rabbis. never once has there been any talk of Pagans burning in Hell for not converting to the Christian Doctrine.... Does Hell exist? Sure it does. Drug adicts are familiar with is when withdrawal gets to them.. Many Combat Vets have been to Hell several times...... "Yea though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. ~ For I was the most evil bastard there..." (I have to bet that that quote rings a few bells and jogs even more memories...) If you want to see people who suffer a living and very personal hell just get to know folks who are chronic pain suffers and ask some of them how many times they lay awake at night wishing for death or scream from pain. Ask them what it like to be tormented 24/7 with pain which can not be ciontrolled outside being comatosed and how it destroys their quality of life. Ask them how many have seriously contemplated suicide or even attempted it. Then Prey to what ever God or Gods you believe in that you never join their ranks, for if you do you will have joined my world and the world of people I spend free time trying to help just making it through one more day.

ArtCatDom -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 9:38:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse My personal opinion is that ALL versions of the bible we have available to us today are in some way distorted. After all, none of us have the complete copy exactly as it was written. Thru the centuries it has been interpreted thru countless languages each time with a difference assumption of what the previous person "really" meant. Any three people can pick up a current copy of a King James bible and come up with three different meanings for the same exact passage. If you throw into that all the normal human error and human faults of greed, power, fear, you are certainly going to get a complete potential for misrepresentation. Just look at some of the stories that are in the news currently. Was Mary really a whore or just threatening to some insecure men? Was Judas really a traitor or doing his master's bidding? Personally I cannot in good concious follow any of the current organized religiouns, HOWEVER, I will never EVER critisize someone that does. Their personal choices deserve respect, all I ever ask is that they respect mine equally and do not give me that whole attitude about "my religioun is better/more right/the only way verus yours". Because when someone acts like that it tells me they are just a hypocritical ass that cannot even practice what they preach. Check out the Gospel of Judas if you have the chance. It presents the view that Judas was meant to betray Jesus so all things could be fulfilled. It's a very interesting text. meow

NakedOnMyChain -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 9:41:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: darq Whatever, typical ... I'm sure all the Pagans who read this will laugh their asses off over how they 'got one over on the ole Christians!' ... Thats fine. I'll be laughing that much harder when I'm in heaven and they're toasty in the hell they insist doesn't exist ... By the way, Christ died and rose again for everyone, even the "other people" ... He should have saved himself the effort. That, right there, dear, is the attitude that turned me away from Christianity in the first place. I don't know whose cause you think you're helping, but it's not yours.

zumala -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 10:01:32 AM)
Personally, I don't think it's funny at all. I believe I would cry rather than laugh. zuma

Moloch -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 10:09:46 AM)
Wicclet eh? You mean those kids that run in the mall buy a book called "Paganism 101" then run over to Hot topic and buy some dangly metal spikey thing or a pentagram and run around screaming that they are pagans. I encounter these nit-wits quite often. The conversation goes like this: Me: So you are a pagan huh? Wicclet: Yeah! So what!? Me: So what diety to you worship if any, or are you an animist? Wicclet: Dude Im pagan what the fuck is your problem?! Me: well could you tell me about your belifes who and or what you worship or belive in? Wicclet: F@ck off bible thumper!

NakedOnMyChain -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 10:38:59 AM)
LOL. Yep, that's them. I've never heard them called Wicclets, though. I like it.

ArtCatDom -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 10:42:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NakedOnMyChain LOL. Yep, that's them. I've never heard them called Wicclets, though. I like it. Wicclets ... slightly less useful than Chicklets ... [;)] meow

ArtCatDom -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 10:49:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moloch Wicclet eh? You mean those kids that run in the mall buy a book called "Paganism 101" then run over to Hot topic and buy some dangly metal spikey thing or a pentagram and run around screaming that they are pagans. I encounter these nit-wits quite often. The conversation goes like this: Me: So you are a pagan huh? Wicclet: Yeah! So what!? Me: So what diety to you worship if any, or are you an animist? Wicclet: Dude Im pagan what the fuck is your problem?! Me: well could you tell me about your belifes who and or what you worship or belive in? Wicclet: F@ck off bible thumper! You hit the nail on the head my Ruskie friend! meow

darq -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 10:50:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NakedOnMyChain quote: ORIGINAL: darq Whatever, typical ... I'm sure all the Pagans who read this will laugh their asses off over how they 'got one over on the ole Christians!' ... Thats fine. I'll be laughing that much harder when I'm in heaven and they're toasty in the hell they insist doesn't exist ... By the way, Christ died and rose again for everyone, even the "other people" ... He should have saved himself the effort. That, right there, dear, is the attitude that turned me away from Christianity in the first place. I don't know whose cause you think you're helping, but it's not yours. Perhaps my attitude was wrong ... Thats the beauty of being a work in progress. God isn't done with me yet ... With that said, your attitude isn't much better, really. I hate the whole "us against them" attitude from both sides. Some of my dearest and closest friends are Pagan. I disagree with their faith but I still love them and as long as they respect me, I respect them ... I still pray for them, quite openly at times. They are still God's children, even if they don't see Him clearly. If one of my Pagan friends is injured or in need, I'm still going to pray for them just as I would anyone else. You don't have to believe in God for Him to love you. He's just that way. If being loved regardles of what you do or say offends you, I'm sorry ... As far as the general attitude that Christians have concerning Pagans going to hell; well thats our afterlife. You go one way or the other ... I could sit here and say that I refuse to believe that England exists but that doesn't mean its not there. Usually I refrain from the attitude that I'll be laughing when ya'll roast in hell but it really grinds my nerves when someone tries to rewrite my Bible to suit themselves. I'm sure there are things that other misinformed do that grind your nerves too. I'm sorry that I lost control and expressed that attitude. You're right. It doesn't help ... I stumbled in my walk. .... I've never heard of them being called Wicclets either ... Thats almost as bad as Sheeple ...

Gauge -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 11:13:44 AM)
quote: Well ... am sure this will tickle the pagans & wiccans ... & piss off plenty of others ... at least it might be educational. I read the article twice. I found it to be pompous and ignorant. First of all if Pagans want to be accepted by Christians then Pagans must accept Christians and the reverse is true also. I should go back and count how many times he quoted a passage of the bible and then followed it up by, "From that passage we can assume..." If you want to interpret something for your own agenda then you will find a way to 'prove' what you want. I find it funny that someone that is Pagan would call Christianity wrong. I do believe, and I might be wrong in this, that most Pagans accept Jesus as a prophet of sorts. Since I do not know much about Wicca or being a Pagan in general I am merely making an assumption. Gee... isn't that what this guy did in the article? I can understand the animosity of those that are of a Pagan belief toward Christianity. Most Christians are of the opinion that if you aren't for us, you are against us. That is a narrow view of things and honestly not related at all to the teachings of Christ. Lest we forget Jesus ministered not to those in the church, but to the very dregs of society, the whores, tax collectors, the lepers and so on. Christians today seem to have forgotten that. Jesus really only ever condemned those within the church... he forgave those that were 'unclean,' So, some of you can have your laugh but the author was dead wrong in his assumptions. And although the bible may have different translations and in some instances different meanings there is sufficient reference material to back up most translations. Bible scholars do agree though that the King James translation is really the closest to the original text. It is not perfect, but it is the best translation. I am not a 'religious' person. I believe in the God of the bible and I believe in Jesus Christ... and I do not need to go to church to show my devotion either. Nor will look down on someone that believes something different than I do. If it is what works for you, then that is wonderful. Don't preach to me and I won't preach to you and we will all get along just fine.

fullofgrace -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 11:20:49 AM)
darq...thank you for your somewhat clarifying second post, because i was kind of taken aback by your first. i'm used to the attitude but i didn't expect to see a lot of the sarcasm here, as i did in your first post. hugs i'm also used to being told i'm going to hell, but it's gotten to the point now where i've heard it so many times i have to find some amusement in it or i'll start losing brain cells. as for the op and people who've felt the need to turn this into a bible history thread...i've read this before and i think it's HILARIOUS, but i wouldn't go around repeating it except in jest because i haven't started studying biblical hebrew yet (have to wait until my junior year for that unfortunately) and the bible has such a long, drawn out, confusing history that even if i cared enough to make an attempt to check, there's no way i can be sure it's not a twisting of the bible. however, some of the references to pagans later in the bible that the article brings up have always intrigued me. but then again, i grew up in catholic school, and it was hard to get a straight answer there unless it suited what the catechism said. and to be honest, i don't care. for the same reason i don't give a damn about all the hoopla surrounding the da vinci code. dvc is just fiction. this is just meant to be humorous. it's immature, and i tend to look at it as artcatdom does, but it's not the end of the world. wicclets (that's a new one for me, i love it) will continue to rear their fluffy heads. jehovah's witnesses will continue knocking at doors. the majority of the rest of christianity will continue to try to convince me that i have a soul and i need to save it.

mistoferin -> RE: A chuckle for the Pagans & Wiccans (5/31/2006 11:21:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: darq quote: ORIGINAL: NakedOnMyChain quote: ORIGINAL: darq Whatever, typical ... I'm sure all the Pagans who read this will laugh their asses off over how they 'got one over on the ole Christians!' ... Thats fine. I'll be laughing that much harder when I'm in heaven and they're toasty in the hell they insist doesn't exist ... By the way, Christ died and rose again for everyone, even the "other people" ... He should have saved himself the effort. That, right there, dear, is the attitude that turned me away from Christianity in the first place. I don't know whose cause you think you're helping, but it's not yours. Perhaps my attitude was wrong ... Thats the beauty of being a work in progress. God isn't done with me yet ... With that said, your attitude isn't much better, really. I hate the whole "us against them" attitude from both sides. Some of my dearest and closest friends are Pagan. I disagree with their faith but I still love them and as long as they respect me, I respect them ... I still pray for them, quite openly at times. They are still God's children, even if they don't see Him clearly. If one of my Pagan friends is injured or in need, I'm still going to pray for them just as I would anyone else. You don't have to believe in God for Him to love you. He's just that way. If being loved regardles of what you do or say offends you, I'm sorry ... As far as the general attitude that Christians have concerning Pagans going to hell; well thats our afterlife. You go one way or the other ... I could sit here and say that I refuse to believe that England exists but that doesn't mean its not there. Usually I refrain from the attitude that I'll be laughing when ya'll roast in hell but it really grinds my nerves when someone tries to rewrite my Bible to suit themselves. I'm sure there are things that other misinformed do that grind your nerves too. I'm sorry that I lost control and expressed that attitude. You're right. It doesn't help ... I stumbled in my walk. .... I've never heard of them being called Wicclets either ... Thats almost as bad as Sheeple ... Normally I don't get myself involved in the religious discussions but WOW! There seems to be poison flying all over the place here. I understand being passionate about something...but one can do that without being quite so offensive. You state that you have friends who are Pagan who you disagree with but still respect. Friends who are misguided that need your prayers for they are surely going to burn in hell. You state that Christians have a general attitude that believes this to be true. Well, I am a Christian and I believe no such thing. I also have many friends who are Pagan and while I don't practice their faith, I also don't disagree with it. If you respect their decision to believe in what they choose to believe in then there really isn't much room for disagreement or argument. It doesn't have to be "us against them". You said yourself you don't like that but your words seemingly contradict you. As for people rewriting the Bible you believe in, you do realize that it's been rewritten many times over before you started believing in it right? It's also not the "word" of God. It is but mere men's interpretation of His word and then other men's interpretation of their interpretation....over and over. You go on to say that you are sure that there are other things the misinformed do that grind people's nerves....are you implying that Pagans are misinformed? Couldn't it be possible that they are well informed and have made a decision for themselves that is simply different than yours?

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